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49ers Offense -- The Pistol portion -- Explained by Chris Ault on NFLN

Originally posted by Jcool:
So Mangini big way to stop the pistol is to sack the QB... He really is a genius!

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So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

Well, it's a violent game and most QBs get injured at one time or another. If you remember, Smith had a significant injury early in his career too. Luckily for us, Kaep is really big and strong guy, unlike other fast QBs. Add to that, is that he's clearly shown that he's a throwing QB who only runs (aside from a call or two a game) when throwing the ball is no longer an option. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why you seem to be fixated on the negative regarding Kaep. It really sounds like you are bitter.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

The Pistol does not require a running QB. The pistol is not the same thing as the read option. The pistol was designed to give you the benefits of passing from the shotgun without sacrificing the power running game.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

Well, it's a violent game and most QBs get injured at one time or another. If you remember, Smith had a significant injury early in his career too. Luckily for us, Kaep is really big and strong guy, unlike other fast QBs. Add to that, is that he's clearly shown that he's a throwing QB who only runs (aside from a call or two a game) when throwing the ball is no longer an option. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why you seem to be fixated on the negative regarding Kaep. It really sounds like you are bitter.

I love Kaep. I hate the Pistol. It puts the QB in unnecessary dangerous positions. Kaepernick has too much potential as a passer to waste it on him running. I just hope Harbaugh doesn't abuse him the way Shanahan did RGIII.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

Well, it's a violent game and most QBs get injured at one time or another. If you remember, Smith had a significant injury early in his career too. Luckily for us, Kaep is really big and strong guy, unlike other fast QBs. Add to that, is that he's clearly shown that he's a throwing QB who only runs (aside from a call or two a game) when throwing the ball is no longer an option. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why you seem to be fixated on the negative regarding Kaep. It really sounds like you are bitter.

I love Kaep. I hate the Pistol. It puts the QB in unnecessary dangerous positions. Kaepernick has too much potential as a passer to waste it on him running. I just hope Harbaugh doesn't abuse him the way Shanahan did RGIII.


I hear you, but other than the GB game, I see no indication our staff plans to use Kaep like a running QB. I think they run him enough to keep defenses on their heals, but the majority of his yards will come when plays break down. The thing about the pistol, I believe all three of our rushing TDs on Sunday came from that formation. There were some gaping holes to run through. I see no reason to scrap the formation, especially since so many plays can be run through it.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

Well, it's a violent game and most QBs get injured at one time or another. If you remember, Smith had a significant injury early in his career too. Luckily for us, Kaep is really big and strong guy, unlike other fast QBs. Add to that, is that he's clearly shown that he's a throwing QB who only runs (aside from a call or two a game) when throwing the ball is no longer an option. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why you seem to be fixated on the negative regarding Kaep. It really sounds like you are bitter.

I love Kaep. I hate the Pistol. It puts the QB in unnecessary dangerous positions. Kaepernick has too much potential as a passer to waste it on him running. I just hope Harbaugh doesn't abuse him the way Shanahan did RGIII.


I hear you, but other than the GB game, I see no indication our staff plans to use Kaep like a running QB. I think they run him enough to keep defenses on their heals, but the majority of his yards will come when plays break down. The thing about the pistol, I believe all three of our rushing TDs on Sunday came from that formation. There were some gaping holes to run through. I see no reason to scrap the formation, especially since so many plays can be run through it.

Formation? It's our base offense. What happened to a return to the WCO? I want to see another 49ers HOF quarterback. That's not going to happen with this offense.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Furlow:
So what happens if Kaep gets hurt, or in 3-4 years when he slows down? Do we just draft another Kaepernick?

Good think he hasn't shown any signs of being injury prone and has shown signs that he is a terrific pocket passer. Not sure where your worries are coming from?

All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

Well, it's a violent game and most QBs get injured at one time or another. If you remember, Smith had a significant injury early in his career too. Luckily for us, Kaep is really big and strong guy, unlike other fast QBs. Add to that, is that he's clearly shown that he's a throwing QB who only runs (aside from a call or two a game) when throwing the ball is no longer an option. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why you seem to be fixated on the negative regarding Kaep. It really sounds like you are bitter.

I love Kaep. I hate the Pistol. It puts the QB in unnecessary dangerous positions. Kaepernick has too much potential as a passer to waste it on him running. I just hope Harbaugh doesn't abuse him the way Shanahan did RGIII.


I hear you, but other than the GB game, I see no indication our staff plans to use Kaep like a running QB. I think they run him enough to keep defenses on their heals, but the majority of his yards will come when plays break down. The thing about the pistol, I believe all three of our rushing TDs on Sunday came from that formation. There were some gaping holes to run through. I see no reason to scrap the formation, especially since so many plays can be run through it.

Formation? It's our base offense. What happened to a return to the WCO? I want to see another 49ers HOF quarterback. That's not going to happen with this offense.

You realize you can run the WCO out of the pistol formation, right? The Pistol FORMATION is unbelievably versatile, which is why it's such an asset to an offense.
[ Edited by OnYouLikeGlue on Jan 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM ]
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Originally posted by OnYouLikeGlue:
You realize you can run the WCO out of the pistol formation, right?

Exactly. It's a formation just like any other. It's more of a versatile formation due to the QB being in a semi-shotgun depth and the RB directly behind him in a single-back look. Bringing Bruce Miller or Delanie Walker into the 49ers backfield as well is no different from when the Packers ran the Full House formation for a while, just with the QB taking a long snap. What this does is it forces the defence to play honest and not commit to either run/pass. I installed this formation in 2011 as OC on my high school team and surprisingly we had more success with our "traditional" plays and a very athletic QB than we did our read-option plays (We call them "Give-Option"). We found that when we showed Pistol sets, our opponent would go back to their base D and it gave us the ability to do just about whatever we wanted in our passing game. There's also a ton of amazing Fly-Sweep plays that can be run using this set. Our slot receiver was our second leading rusher on direct-snap-motion sweeps alone. Absolutely LOVE this formation. Thanks for the link OP!
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Too many people in this thread still are not seeing the difference between Pistol Formation and Read.

the Pistol in itself does not put Kap at risk of any additional risk of injury, however running the read out of the Pistol may add additional risk.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini and and Mike from Mike and Mike provided an interesting way to stop it. You know how a few times the DE was standing there staring at Kaep after the handoff? Well, Mangini said you don't have the DE make a read. You have him go full speed at the QB and hit him as hard as you can and completely ignore the hand-off to the RB.

You do that a few times and that QB's head coach will call it less in order to not put his QB in a position to get injured.

Mangini is right, that is a free hit on the QB and it would be legal considering the threat of the QB running.

You can't just run up and hit the QB after he hands the ball off LMAO. I mean the other team could, but they'd get a 15 yard penalty for it every time.
Originally posted by Furlow:
All QB's who run eventually get injured. The Pistol requires a running QB. This thread is about the Pistol.

Not trying to be an A$$, or argumentative ... however, did you not really watch and listen to Ault
during the interview. You don't have to be a running QB to run your offense, from the Pistol formation.

He goes on to add, how basic it was kept during Kap' 1st year running their "O" from that particular
formation. All the extra Goodies, came the following season(s) as Kap matured as a player. As long
as The Team is Winning, I hope the 49ers keep running it.
San Francisco 49ers & The Pistol ... Bust-A-Kap





Maybe if you are so inclined, and have the time, go back and Viddy the linkage one-more-time. Start at
02:40, all the way to 05:10. Then again, this is a forum to discuss ... therefore you are surely entitled to
your opinion on how you perceive/see things.


ANY QB can run the pistol offense. A read option play is designed for mobile QBs, two different things.
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