Divisional Round: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Excellent post as always.

I live 20-25 minutes from Reno, and I've watched Kaep beat my Cal Bears and dominate like no one QB I've seen in college football for a year in person. He was one of my favorite players in college in 2010 and I said the day we drafted him that we have found our franchise QB.

I've had no problem at all with Kaep starting over Alex. There is no question in my mind that Kaep is a better player and that has been apparent to me since his game against Saints. I've said it a few times that the debate between who should be starting is pointless because Kaep is playing at a high level and he is a player that can go out and win games by himself more often than Alex was willing to. They are different QBs with different personalities.

The skinny post to Crabtree for a TD you mentioned - was a great pass. But, I can not say that Alex would not make that throw when Alex did make that throw last year in the same round against Saints to Vernon Davis...with the game on the line. I can not say that Alex can not win games by himself, because he did that in January last year.

Yes, Crabtree is a legit no.1 WR in the league...but IMO - he was playing good last season and great this year even before Kaep became the starter. The difference you see in production is - he is the primary target now, and with Alex - it was Vernon. Vernon's numbers are down, and Crabs numbers are up. With Kaep, Crabtree is getting more opportunities, but to me - he was playing like no.1 WR earlier in the season as well. He was just a less preferred weapon by Alex.

BTW - I'm so glad Crabtree is the preferred target. IMO - a weapon outside the numbers is more effective than a weapon inside. It stretches the defense and opens up the running game. One of my criticism of Alex was - he didn't attack outside enough.

IMO - Alex vs. Kaep argument is long over. It's Kaep's team and we can go all the way with him. That's why Harbaugh made the decision. With high calculated risk comes a chance of high reward and that's what our coach went for. I'm glad for it and it was the right decision. I just think ppl are forgetting what Alex has done and it's weird - because what Kaep did against Packers (win the game on his own) - Alex did pretty much the same (in a different way) against the Saints last year.

Good Post. It's useless to draw these comparisons anymore. And it is not right to say Alex Smith can't or would not make these throws when he has done so before. It just isn't necessary to bring up Smith and talk about how he can't do different things.

I don't have a problem with comparisons...I really don't - as long as they are accurate. You can easily argue why Kaep should be starter...there is no need for false argument. Kaep has a bigger arm (might have the biggest arm in all of NFL) and therefore he is more comfortable throwing outside the numbers than Alex. He is faster (might be the fastest QB in all of NFL) and therefore can exploit defenses with his feet more often. I don't think anyone will argue that. He plays fearlessly and is ready to take risks whereas Alex Smith tends to be more cautious.

But, Alex would throw a skinny post between two defenders in the endzone. He did that with the game of the line last year.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

They may fear Kap more than Smith because of his big play ability. But at the same time, I don't think any team was passing off Smith as not being a threatening qb, such as you implied. Smith is a top qb in this league. He was playing as a top 10 qb. He's no slouch and has a ton of talent in his own right. Many teams will show interest in him this offseason. We just happen to have another quarterback who Coach Harbaugh believed was even better.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

Marvin, you're trying to debate with people with limited knowledge who not only drank the cool-aid but keep going back for refills. I would just save my breath and recognize that there are people at various points of the evolution scale and wish them good luck.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

They may fear Kap more than Smith because of his big play ability. But at the same time, I don't think any team was passing off Smith as not being a threatening qb, such as you implied. Smith is a top qb in this league. He was playing as a top 10 qb. He's no slouch and has a ton of talent in his own right. Many teams will show interest in him this offseason. We just happen to have another quarterback who Coach Harbaugh believed was even better.

Sigh.

I give up.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Sigh.

I give up.

Don't give up !

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by BayArea:

Originally posted by blm7754:

Thought on Kaepernick's pick-6....

Sure it was a poor decision, but he should have been able to prevent the TD. His attempt to make the tackle that would have stopped the return at about the 20 yard line failed because he took a bad angle. He is athletic enough that he could have got out in front of the returner to make a tackle.

The QB is usually the guy in the best position to make the tackle on these passes to the flats that get picked off. We have one with the athleticism to prevent a TD or huge run back. Kap should spend some time with Dashon Goldson and learn how to take a good angle and make a tackle in the open field.

I would like him to do as little tackling as humanly possible.

Same here. Why would we have our young star QB losing out on valuable reps to practice his form tackling?

Not all QB's can lay the wood like Andrew Luck.

Or Alex Smith

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Sigh.

I give up.

Don't give up !

lol

Just done trying to convince peeps. I'll post the way I want to post.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Sigh.

I give up.

Good idea!

It's tough for some people to concede. Recognize it, and move on.

I just want to say how much I enjoy you recaps and effort you put into encapsulating your observations after each game. Thanks!

Originally posted by ayetee:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

Marvin, you're trying to debate with people with limited knowledge who not only drank the cool-aid but keep going back for refills. I would just save my breath and recognize that there are people at various points of the evolution scale and wish them good luck.

So since there are people on this board who don't believe it is necessary to mention Alex Smith and his 'limitations' after a game in which he did not play, they have limited knowledge? Ok buddy, that makes sense. Careful with attacks like that.

No one was posting after the game and calling for Alex Smith to get his job back, so again there is no reason to bring up Alex Smith in a thread titled 'Divisional Round. Thoughts after Rewatching the game'. Alex didn't play in this game.... So perhaps you are the one with limited knowledge as you fail to understand that..

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

They may fear Kap more than Smith because of his big play ability. But at the same time, I don't think any team was passing off Smith as not being a threatening qb, such as you implied. Smith is a top qb in this league. He was playing as a top 10 qb. He's no slouch and has a ton of talent in his own right. Many teams will show interest in him this offseason. We just happen to have another quarterback who Coach Harbaugh believed was even better.

Sigh.

I give up.

That's fine, post as you want to post. I enjoy your posts. But I don't agree with bringing up Alex Smith and saying that teams were saying "oh s**t they have a qb now too", that statement is bashing Alex Smith whether you intended it or not. It's not fitting for the thread. That is not a comparison between Kap and Smith. You are slighting Smith by saying that. Like I said before, with that statement you are praising one guy, and taking a jab at another guy at the same time. It's really not necessary as it'll just rile people up.

No one is calling for Smith. You're just adding fuel to the fire. Let's just talk about Kap and enjoy his success! But it's whatever, do what you want. Just my opinion and a little advice. Keep up the good post-game posts.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

They may fear Kap more than Smith because of his big play ability. But at the same time, I don't think any team was passing off Smith as not being a threatening qb, such as you implied. Smith is a top qb in this league. He was playing as a top 10 qb. He's no slouch and has a ton of talent in his own right. Many teams will show interest in him this offseason. We just happen to have another quarterback who Coach Harbaugh believed was even better.

Sigh.

I give up.

That's fine, post as you want to post. I enjoy your posts. But I don't agree with bringing up Alex Smith and saying that teams were saying "oh s**t they have a qb now too", that statement is bashing Alex Smith whether you intended it or not. It's not fitting for the thread. That is not a comparison between Kap and Smith. You are slighting Smith by saying that. Like I said before, with that statement you are praising one guy, and taking a jab at another guy at the same time. It's really not necessary as it'll just rile people up.

No one is calling for Smith. You're just adding fuel to the fire. Let's just talk about Kap and enjoy his success! But it's whatever, do what you want. Just my opinion and a little advice. Keep up the good post-game posts.

If you say so.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Sigh.

I give up.

Good idea!

It's tough for some people to concede. Recognize it, and move on.

I just want to say how much I enjoy you recaps and effort you put into encapsulating your observations after each game. Thanks!

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
I agree Smith may have not made those throws, but don't say he can't. Because he has made similar throws in his career. What I'm simply saying is that there is no reason to even mention Smith and make an argument that he couldn't have done this or couldn't have done that. Why even do that? It's not necessary. You can't say that Alex Smith couldn't have won these games as well. We went 13-3 and also got to the NFC championship last year during a lockout year in the first year under the offense with Smith. Smith was only improving. We don't know what would be happening with Smith, so you can only assume that the decision was absolutely correct if we get farther than we did last year.. because that way you have improved on your total circumstances from last year. Also, Crabtree was coming on in the beginning of the year with Smith at qb. He has gotten even better as the year went on. He has been Kaps primary target, where smith spread it around a bit more. I just think we should keep smith out of it and not state that he can't do this or that and let's appreciate what is going on.

Great post. There was no reason to throw Alex into the OP and try to minimize him. Doing that just lessens your whole post, and makes all of your "positive" remarks of # 11 (new or old) look shallow and empty.

Ck7 is a whole different animal, and much props to him for that. He's really good, and much better than I expected at this point. So really... he doesn't need you to cut down the other guy in order to prop him on your shoulders.

Dude. Chill.

Seriously.

As long as there are people here who say that Alex should remain the starter, I'm going to draw the comparison. Illustrating the difference between the two isn't "minimizing him". Its taking a look at the reasons Harbaugh made the switch.

If you think my defense of Alex was "hollow and empty" then you simple don't have any clue what I'm talking about. It "lessens the post"? Then move on and read a different one. I'm really kinda tired of peeps making this same argument every week that I am throwing Alex under the bus by making the comparison. No. The comparison of both players play on the field is what is throwing him under the bus. If Alex could live up to the comparison, then we wouldn't have an issue and he would still be the starter.

I like Alex. I always have. He has ALWAYS been a much better player than most people gave him credit for. That doesn't mean tho that I didn't recognize his limitations as a player. It doesn't make me a "hater" or mean I'm throwing him under the bus. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG initially when I thought that Kaep should sit for at least another year. It means I am capable of admitting that I was WRONG when I said he was too raw.

Too often peeps in this forum grab ahold of their position and then will stubbornly defend it...forever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidense, they will defend their position because they don't want to be wrong.

So...let me say that again. I was WRONG about Kaep (especially in the preseason). When I write these posts I am still explaining WHY I was wrong.

You don't like how I do that? Move on.

Well quite frankly you can post whatever you'd like. I was wrong about Kap too. I didn't think he was the right guy to put in at this point in time. I thought it was a gamble that we didn't have to make. So far, Harbaugh and Kap have proven me wrong and I'm very glad about that.

Again though, there is no reason to mention Alex Smith. There is no reason to mention his limitations and say he simply can't do these things. I don't think anyone at this point in time is calling to start Alex Smith now. All you are doing by mentioning Alex Smith is antagonizing his fans and in a way 'rubbing it in', like "See Alex Smith could never do that. He simply doesn't have the skill set and couldn't make these throws".

When you said that teams now say "oh s**t they have a quarterback now too", that is in a way bashing Alex Smith by implying he really isn't much of a qb. Alex Smith can't break off those runs, but he is a good quarterback and has made great throws himself. Let's just leave him out of it as he didn't play in the game. I know you've stated time after time that you have always been an Alex Smith fan, so out of respect for him let's praise Kap and leave Smith alone. By mentioning Smith and saying he can't do this or that, you just rile the Smith supporters up. We have two very good quarterbacks, let's be happy with that!

Like I said though, you can post whatever you'd like, I just don't agree with having to draw out these 'comparisons' and saying that Smith can't do some of these things that Kap can and saying things like teams fear us because we actually have a qb now. I don't think this is necessary. I think we should talk about the positives and also the negatives of players that have played in the game each particular week. I don't think anyone is saying to put Alex Smith back in there now. We should also appreciate what we have with our qb situation. Just my opinion.

Well...let me say it like this....

If nobody is going to be all over this board saying Alex Smith should be the starter should Kaep lose, then I'll never make the comparison again. Sadly, my experience is that those peeps are just being silent right now just waiting for the chance to jump in (which I think is kinda sad).

I experienced the EXACT same phenomenon when Alex played well and then had an off game.

As for the "oh sh*t" part, do you really think that players around the league aren't thinking that? Do you really not think that players would much rather play Alex than Kaep? I'm not trying to insite anything, but I think people need a little infusion of reality here.

Alex is a good QB on a team that has no right to be a talented as it is. He has been the weakest link on a team without weaknesses. The "chunk plays" in the passing game are the one piece that was missing.

I guess the genesis of that saying was something Tom Tolbert once said in regards to Michael Jordan. When he came into the league he was an unfinished player. Every offseason he would come back and would have added something to his game. He's come back and they'd be like "oh crap, he can play defense now too!?!". I'm not trying to rip on Alex...I'm trying to say the rest of the league knows how good this team is...and then a star was born at the QB position on Saturday Night.

They may fear Kap more than Smith because of his big play ability. But at the same time, I don't think any team was passing off Smith as not being a threatening qb, such as you implied. Smith is a top qb in this league. He was playing as a top 10 qb. He's no slouch and has a ton of talent in his own right. Many teams will show interest in him this offseason. We just happen to have another quarterback who Coach Harbaugh believed was even better.

Sigh.

I give up.

That's fine, post as you want to post. I enjoy your posts. But I don't agree with bringing up Alex Smith and saying that teams were saying "oh s**t they have a qb now too", that statement is bashing Alex Smith whether you intended it or not. It's not fitting for the thread. That is not a comparison between Kap and Smith. You are slighting Smith by saying that. Like I said before, with that statement you are praising one guy, and taking a jab at another guy at the same time. It's really not necessary as it'll just rile people up.

No one is calling for Smith. You're just adding fuel to the fire. Let's just talk about Kap and enjoy his success! But it's whatever, do what you want. Just my opinion and a little advice. Keep up the good post-game posts.

If you say so.

That logic means every back up in the league takes jabs for the starters praise

This is funny because me and Marv used to have the same arguments. lol