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Smith, Tolzien thread. Yet again

Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
He should choose wisely and not follow the money. I would take AZ over Cleveland. They have Fitz and a solid defense with an offensive minded coach.

Great fit.
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time

brandon whiting was, indeed, s**t
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
He should choose wisely and not follow the money. I would take AZ over Cleveland. They have Fitz and a solid defense with an offensive minded coach.

Great fit.
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time

I'd take a third in a heartbeat. I'd even be ok with a 4th and beyond really. THe alternative is we cut him and he's walks away.

A second tounder would be a dream and a first is out of the question.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
He should choose wisely and not follow the money. I would take AZ over Cleveland. They have Fitz and a solid defense with an offensive minded coach.

Great fit.
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time

Can't remember what we got for Haley, a straight jacket maybe. We got a 1st for Joe which iirc we turned into Stubblefield. And we got screwed on Owens.

Looking for a low 2nd or a high 3rd.
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
He should choose wisely and not follow the money. I would take AZ over Cleveland. They have Fitz and a solid defense with an offensive minded coach.

Great fit.
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time

Can't remember what we got for Haley, a straight jacket maybe. We got a 1st for Joe which iirc we turned into Stubblefield. And we got screwed on Owens.

Looking for a low 2nd or a high 3rd.
i am sorry about being wrong about montana,, i thought we got a mid round pick and a cornerback or safety, dave waymer something?? well i was wrong so that turned out good but as you said the other two i would kick and moan about getting a fourth for smith but i guess it would not be tragic. still hope for a third ,
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Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.
Originally posted by dj43:
It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

I do agree that our WR situation in the SB was bad...but if our defense was as good this year as it was last, we beat the Ravens by 10.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.
[ Edited by Joecool on Feb 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM ]

[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Feb 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....

Kaepernick is probably better between the 20's, but Smith was pretty deadly in the red zone the past couple of seasons.
Originally posted by cciowa:
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time

Didn't the 49ers get a second round for Montana (granted there was another player involved in the trade as well)?
Originally posted by drakan:
Kaepernick is probably better between the 20's, but Smith was pretty deadly in the red zone the past couple of seasons.


Only 17 TD passes last year with our FG kicker setting the all-time record in field goals sure amounts to being deadly in the red zone.

Wait, what? Can you explain that statement?
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:


I see what you did there...
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....

46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...
Originally posted by fastforward:
Didn't the 49ers get a second round for Montana (granted there was another player involved in the trade as well)?

No.


"Tonight, the 49ers traded the 36-year-old quarterback -- along with safety David Whitmore and a 1994 third-round draft pick -- to Kansas City for the Chiefs' first-round selection (the 18th over all) in the National Football League draft on Sunday."