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Smith, Tolzien thread. Yet again
Feb 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM
- Jiks
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Feb 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM
- aTx49er
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by diegosydney:Originally posted by English:Originally posted by diegosydney:Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"
I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.
How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?
If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.
It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.
It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.
Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.
Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards
You couldn't be more wrong.
0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....
Feb 8, 2013 at 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"
I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.
How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?
If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.
It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.
It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.
Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.
Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards
You couldn't be more wrong.
0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....
Kaepernick is probably better between the 20's, but Smith was pretty deadly in the red zone the past couple of seasons.
Feb 8, 2013 at 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by cciowa:
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time
Didn't the 49ers get a second round for Montana (granted there was another player involved in the trade as well)?
Feb 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM
- ichiban1920
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Originally posted by drakan:
Kaepernick is probably better between the 20's, but Smith was pretty deadly in the red zone the past couple of seasons.
Only 17 TD passes last year with our FG kicker setting the all-time record in field goals sure amounts to being deadly in the red zone.
Wait, what? Can you explain that statement?
Feb 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I see what you did there...
Feb 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM
- Furlow
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Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"
I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.
How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?
If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.
It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.
It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.
Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.
Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards
You couldn't be more wrong.
0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....
46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...
Feb 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by fastforward:Didn't the 49ers get a second round for Montana (granted there was another player involved in the trade as well)?
No.
"Tonight, the 49ers traded the 36-year-old quarterback -- along with safety David Whitmore and a 1994 third-round draft pick -- to Kansas City for the Chiefs' first-round selection (the 18th over all) in the National Football League draft on Sunday."
Feb 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"
I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.
How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?
If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.
It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.
It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.
Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.
Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards
You couldn't be more wrong.
0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....
46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...
Can't recall the article but it was said those last 3 plays dropped his QBR by 20 or so points due to how critical that possession was in the game. So, overall, he played very well.
Either way, dj's comment was the lack of quality receivers which is false if you look at the drives and the stats. The main issue was Colin missing on two critical plays, the scramble mis-throw to Crabtree early in the game and the last fade throw.
It wasn't the receivers.
[ Edited by Joecool on Feb 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM ]
Feb 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM
- hofer36
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"
I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.
How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?
If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.
It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.
It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.
Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.
Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards
You couldn't be more wrong.
0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....
46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...
Can't recall the article but it was said those last 3 plays dropped his QBR by 20 or so points due to how critical that possession was in the game. So, overall, he played very well.
Either way, dj's comment was the lack of quality receivers which is false if you look at the drives and the stats. The main issue was Colin missing on two critical plays, the scramble mis-throw to Crabtree early in the game and the last fade throw.
It wasn't the receivers.
cant imagine what the outcry would be on this board had alex smith missed 3 passing attempts from the 5 yard line and niners lost the superbowl
Feb 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM
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Feb 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM
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Originally posted by hofer36:cant imagine what the outcry would be on this board had alex smith missed 3 passing attempts from the 5 yard line and niners lost the superbowl
Not this crap again.
Feb 10, 2013 at 8:04 PM
- InHarbsWeTrust
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Originally posted by Furlow:46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...
I really want the word "haters" banned from the board. It is nothing more than a blanketed label that people use for others who have differing opinions. It's annoying.
Feb 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM
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30 more days...
Until Alex is no longer a niner!
Until Alex is no longer a niner!
Feb 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM
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Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by hofer36:
cant imagine what the outcry would be on this board had alex smith missed 3 passing attempts from the 5 yard line and niners lost the superbowl
Not this crap again.
Why is that crap?