Smith, Tolzien thread. Yet again

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by diegosydney:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by diegosydney:

Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by diegosydney:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....

Originally posted by cciowa:
garcia will probably tell smith not to go to cleveland. i would be upset if we got less than a third round pick for alex. i would be pissed at a 4th or 5th pick is what we got. we got s**t for charles haley, we got s**t for montana, we got s**t for Owens. lets do it right this time

Originally posted by drakan:
Kaepernick is probably better between the 20's, but Smith was pretty deadly in the red zone the past couple of seasons.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by diegosydney:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....

Originally posted by fastforward:

Didn't the 49ers get a second round for Montana (granted there was another player involved in the trade as well)?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by diegosydney:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....

46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by diegosydney:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by diegosydney:
Optimism isn't necesarily the same as "the second coming"

I have cause for optimism with Kaep I never had with Smith, and if getting closer to a SB win doesn't count for anything i guess you'd be just as happy with 1-15.

How optimistic were you with with what you saw after Smith's first 10 starts ?

If you are going to continue this ridiculous and divisive argument, perhaps you could contrast the two teams and their coaching staff. Otherwise your question is meaningless.

It's not a ridiculous argument to be optimistic because one guy got the team further than the other despite not having anywhere near the same amount of experience, and nowhere near the amount of support from the Defense and Special Teams.

It is ironic that at the end of the Super Bowl, just as at the end of the NFCC game last season, the QB struggled due to a lack of available quality pass receivers.

Yes, the secondary defense and STs were bad this season but the offensive struggles often revolved around that lack of quality receivers.

Crabtree: 100 yards
Vernon: 100 yards
Kaep: 300 yards


You couldn't be more wrong.

0-7 in the redzone
2-9 on 3rd down
46.1 Total QBR

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.....

46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...

Can't recall the article but it was said those last 3 plays dropped his QBR by 20 or so points due to how critical that possession was in the game. So, overall, he played very well.

Either way, dj's comment was the lack of quality receivers which is false if you look at the drives and the stats. The main issue was Colin missing on two critical plays, the scramble mis-throw to Crabtree early in the game and the last fade throw.

It wasn't the receivers.

Originally posted by hofer36:

cant imagine what the outcry would be on this board had alex smith missed 3 passing attempts from the 5 yard line and niners lost the superbowl

Originally posted by Furlow:

46.1 QBR?? No wonder the Alex haters weren't bringing that up...

Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:

Originally posted by hofer36:
cant imagine what the outcry would be on this board had alex smith missed 3 passing attempts from the 5 yard line and niners lost the superbowl

Not this crap again.