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Smith, Tolzien thread. Yet again

Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by cciowa:
of course this is the truth. i hope alex gets his ring and he is probably the best of the free agent bunch out there and is alot better than some of the college quarterbacks. he will go someone place like arizona or kansas city and have a nice career. its better for him and the niners will not have the distraction anymore. that of course will create another issue like who will back up ck because if alex were not here and ck were to get hurt, i have no confidence in the kid coming in.. but that is a topic for the off season i guess

Did you forget who our head coach is? If Kaep gets hurt, Tolzien will step up and play well.

IMO the Harbaugh QB guru angle has been over-exaggerated......

Yeah he's just the luckiest guy in the world when it comes to QBs. Josh Johnson just happened to become an All-American while he was coached, then Andrew Luck just happened to become the best QB prospect in over a decade under him, then Alex Smith went from chump to playoff-winning QB under him, then a no-name QB from a 2nd -tier school just happened to become a Super Bowl-caliber QB when he made a ballsy switch. Somebody find this guy's rabbit foot, it is off the chain. Why is he not using to cure cancer or something.

Josh Johnson who hasn't done anything since he entered the NFL. Who was cut by his former coach? Andrew Luck was a Blue Chip QB coming out of highschool. His dad is a former NFL QB. Harbaugh coached him for 3 years but he has been learning the QB position since he was a kid. Alex was a good QB coming out of college but was poorly mishandled on a bad team with worse coaches. Kaepernick would've been a top 10 pick had he gone to a bigger school. Harbaugh saw the talent in all those QBs and he put them all in the position to win.
Harbaugh's a good QB developer. I just prefer to never again listen to him speak.
Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
He was part of awful teams but he was awful as well. He contributed to that. As far as comebacks we are 1-27 since 2001 when trailing by 17 in the first half. What Kaep did after a missed field goal, a fumble at the goal line...with Max Hall and Ted Ginn is truly amazing. He was able to overcome all of these things. Not taking anything away from Smith but he couldn't overcome the lack of receiver talent and the muffed punts.

He was awful at the beginning. The last few years of Singletary he was a scapegoat who was actually starting to play pretty well. It was always the coaching. Once the coaching was there this team took off. That is how it is with any team. Lol Kaep didn't throw to Ginn or "Max" Hall and they were bit players in that game. Look Kaep played really really well last game and helped bring the team back. No disputing that. I'm just never going to use that to limit what Alex could or couldn't have done. When I watched him play he played at a high level. There is no reason he couldn't have led offensive drives like those in the game. Maybe he doesn't go 3 and out on his first drive so we aren't down by 17 anyway... It is pointless to debate hypotheticals. If the Other thread should be kept as a strictly CK thread then let's keep this one strictly to Smith/His Most High Holiness ST

Wherever Alex gets traded next season I can go to that teams message board as my secondary team, and argue with their fans. There is no reason to argue here

Gross.

What... having secondary interest in another team is gross? It is extremely common especially when you don't live in a city with your favorite team. It is just the way it is for many NFL fans. I am a 49er fan, but also a football fan, and a fan of people. I'll always root for Alex Smith as a former Niner unless he is playing the Niners. This idea that you can't like other teams is outdated and part of the neanderthal culture in football that I find distasteful. I like other players around the league too, and check in on them from time to time. Players with ties to colleges that I attended etc... you guys need to stop trying to make people out as some kind of Smith Sycophants just because they root for the guy. He has a compelling story, and is a good dude.

Edit: Also your post is totally pointless, and adds nothing to the discussion. Please try to have something enlightening or interesting to say. You can always just stay out of here rather than going the inciting route
[ Edited by dtcomposer on Jan 22, 2013 at 6:26 AM ]
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by cciowa:
of course this is the truth. i hope alex gets his ring and he is probably the best of the free agent bunch out there and is alot better than some of the college quarterbacks. he will go someone place like arizona or kansas city and have a nice career. its better for him and the niners will not have the distraction anymore. that of course will create another issue like who will back up ck because if alex were not here and ck were to get hurt, i have no confidence in the kid coming in.. but that is a topic for the off season i guess

Did you forget who our head coach is? If Kaep gets hurt, Tolzien will step up and play well.

IMO the Harbaugh QB guru angle has been over-exaggerated......

Yeah he's just the luckiest guy in the world when it comes to QBs. Josh Johnson just happened to become an All-American while he was coached, then Andrew Luck just happened to become the best QB prospect in over a decade under him, then Alex Smith went from chump to playoff-winning QB under him, then a no-name QB from a 2nd -tier school just happened to become a Super Bowl-caliber QB when he made a ballsy switch. Somebody find this guy's rabbit foot, it is off the chain. Why is he not using to cure cancer or something.

Josh Johnson who hasn't done anything since he entered the NFL. Who was cut by his former coach? Andrew Luck was a Blue Chip QB coming out of highschool. His dad is a former NFL QB. Harbaugh coached him for 3 years but he has been learning the QB position since he was a kid. Alex was a good QB coming out of college but was poorly mishandled on a bad team with worse coaches. Kaepernick would've been a top 10 pick had he gone to a bigger school. Harbaugh saw the talent in all those QBs and he put them all in the position to win.

Your argumentwould be more compelling IF every QB Harbaugh touched didn't turn to gold, that was largely the point of my post--one of these things could be explained away as an aberration, but it follows him everywhere he goes. At a certain point you've got to ask yourself, "What's more likely, that he got lucky every time or that he enabled these guys to be successful." Yes, he puts them in position to win. That's what good coaches do. There are plenty of coaches that don't so it's not like that's some common skill.
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
What... having secondary interest in another team is gross? It is extremely common especially when you don't live in a city with your favorite team. It is just the way it is for many NFL fans. I am a 49er fan, but also a football fan, and a fan of people. I'll always root for Alex Smith as a former Niner unless he is playing the Niners. This idea that you can't like other teams is outdated and part of the neanderthal culture in football that I find distasteful. I like other players around the league too, and check in on them from time to time. Players with ties to colleges that I attended etc... you guys need to stop trying to make people out as some kind of Smith Sycophants just because they root for the guy. He has a compelling story, and is a good dude.

Edit: Also your post is totally pointless, and adds nothing to the discussion. Please try to have something enlightening or interesting to say. You can always just stay out of here rather than going the inciting route

I love this post so very much.
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
What Kaep did has never been done before in an NFCCG.


Sorry. You can't blame Alex's failures on coaching. Part of it, perhaps, but not all. We will never know what Alex could have done. Just saying, the narrative last year was we had no receivers and the fumbles were to blame for our Giants loss. However, Kaep had basically the same thing and on the road and he pulled out the W. Alex is a solid QB. I just think he gets romanticized on here and to act like coaching is to blame for his previous 6 years of poor play before Harbaugh is ridiculous.

Alright. I'm done talking about Kaep in this thread.

Well you are entitled to your opinion. I would never blame all of it on coaching, and never have. He was raw, too timid and was drafted too high. I have always said that. Still, with horrible circumstances until 2011 he improved slowly every season and was decent during the Singletary years with a 2nd grade Pee Wee offense. I don't think these games were similar at all (last year and this). The fumble in the Falcons game was at the goalline and backed them up. The fumbles by Williams last season were in our end of the field and basically gave them points. The last one gave them the game without them needing to gain another yard. Those are completely different situations. That doesn't diminish Kaeps game. He played great. Again I am constantly saying Kaep is good, not nitpicking his performance at all. I just don't feel there is a need to bash Alex. Kaep is fine without the bashing. His play speaks for itself.
[ Edited by dtcomposer on Jan 22, 2013 at 6:34 AM ]
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
What... having secondary interest in another team is gross? It is extremely common especially when you don't live in a city with your favorite team. It is just the way it is for many NFL fans. I am a 49er fan, but also a football fan, and a fan of people. I'll always root for Alex Smith as a former Niner unless he is playing the Niners. This idea that you can't like other teams is outdated and part of the neanderthal culture in football that I find distasteful. I like other players around the league too, and check in on them from time to time. Players with ties to colleges that I attended etc... you guys need to stop trying to make people out as some kind of Smith Sycophants just because they root for the guy. He has a compelling story, and is a good dude.

Edit: Also your post is totally pointless, and adds nothing to the discussion. Please try to have something enlightening or interesting to say. You can always just stay out of here rather than going the inciting route

I love this post so very much.

Thanks, seems like common sense to me.. I don't know this place gets crazy sometimes.
There is no need to bash Smith. Man has acted with great class all along a difficult road and deserves respect from us. And he may not be done here.

That being said, he is not the starting qb.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
What... having secondary interest in another team is gross? It is extremely common especially when you don't live in a city with your favorite team. It is just the way it is for many NFL fans. I am a 49er fan, but also a football fan, and a fan of people. I'll always root for Alex Smith as a former Niner unless he is playing the Niners. This idea that you can't like other teams is outdated and part of the neanderthal culture in football that I find distasteful. I like other players around the league too, and check in on them from time to time. Players with ties to colleges that I attended etc... you guys need to stop trying to make people out as some kind of Smith Sycophants just because they root for the guy. He has a compelling story, and is a good dude.

Edit: Also your post is totally pointless, and adds nothing to the discussion. Please try to have something enlightening or interesting to say. You can always just stay out of here rather than going the inciting route

I love this post so very much.

I understand how out of town fans can be like that. It's like the 9ers are a tv show and don't have anything vested...just a team on tv

Unfortunately us Neanderthals bleed red and gold ...everyone here grew up on it from generation to generation...another team is just not possible
Originally posted by English:
There is no need to bash Smith. Man has acted with great class all along a difficult road and deserves respect from us. And he may not be done here.

That being said, he is not the starting qb.

This. 100% truth and undeniable. I hope he is done here though for everyone's sake. Would be an incredible backup obviously. Let him come back as O coordinator in 5-10 years.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
What... having secondary interest in another team is gross? It is extremely common especially when you don't live in a city with your favorite team. It is just the way it is for many NFL fans. I am a 49er fan, but also a football fan, and a fan of people. I'll always root for Alex Smith as a former Niner unless he is playing the Niners. This idea that you can't like other teams is outdated and part of the neanderthal culture in football that I find distasteful. I like other players around the league too, and check in on them from time to time. Players with ties to colleges that I attended etc... you guys need to stop trying to make people out as some kind of Smith Sycophants just because they root for the guy. He has a compelling story, and is a good dude.

Edit: Also your post is totally pointless, and adds nothing to the discussion. Please try to have something enlightening or interesting to say. You can always just stay out of here rather than going the inciting route

I love this post so very much.

I understand how out of town fans can be like that. It's like the 9ers are a tv show and don't have anything vested...just a team on tv

Unfortunately us Neanderthals bleed red and gold ...everyone here grew up on it from generation to generation...another team is just not possible

That isn't true at all, but you are obviously not grasping what I am saying... The world isn't filled with absolutes. I get just as worked up as anyone during Niner games. I have watched every game since 1992 and shell out tons of money to see them since I don't get to watch them for free. I am also a 3rd generation Niner fan... there are more viewpoints than your own. I can't believe this is even an issue. Actually I can believe it. Can we just let this thing rest? This is how threads get Englished out of existence .
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
That isn't true at all, but you are obviously not grasping what I am saying... The world isn't filled with absolutes. I get just as worked up as anyone during Niner games. I have watched every game since 1992 and shell out tons of money to see them since I don't get to watch them for free. I am also a 3rd generation Niner fan... there are more viewpoints than your own. I can't believe this is even an issue. Actually I can believe it. Can we just let this thing rest? This is how threads get Englished out of existence .

You know how to hurt.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
What... having secondary interest in another team is gross? It is extremely common especially when you don't live in a city with your favorite team. It is just the way it is for many NFL fans. I am a 49er fan, but also a football fan, and a fan of people. I'll always root for Alex Smith as a former Niner unless he is playing the Niners. This idea that you can't like other teams is outdated and part of the neanderthal culture in football that I find distasteful. I like other players around the league too, and check in on them from time to time. Players with ties to colleges that I attended etc... you guys need to stop trying to make people out as some kind of Smith Sycophants just because they root for the guy. He has a compelling story, and is a good dude.

Edit: Also your post is totally pointless, and adds nothing to the discussion. Please try to have something enlightening or interesting to say. You can always just stay out of here rather than going the inciting route

I love this post so very much.

I understand how out of town fans can be like that. It's like the 9ers are a tv show and don't have anything vested...just a team on tv

Unfortunately us Neanderthals bleed red and gold ...everyone here grew up on it from generation to generation...another team is just not possible

Whatever you say... I know you are just trying so hard to rile me up. Not happening. I have near 50 thousand posts around the web on my Niners... I spend most of my day obsessing about them. But keep trying to push those fan superiority buttons... let me know how that works out for ya, k?
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
That isn't true at all, but you are obviously not grasping what I am saying... The world isn't filled with absolutes. I get just as worked up as anyone during Niner games. I have watched every game since 1992 and shell out tons of money to see them since I don't get to watch them for free. I am also a 3rd generation Niner fan... there are more viewpoints than your own. I can't believe this is even an issue. Actually I can believe it. Can we just let this thing rest? This is how threads get Englished out of existence .

You know how to hurt.

Hey, you are exceedingly efficient at what you do. It was meant as a compliment
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
has anyone seen this? didnt see it posted already if so. good article

http://butattheendoftheday.com/2013/01/21/one-story-that-cant-be-ignored-in-the-super-bowl-hype-the-alex-smith-factor/


that tells alot.....think about it....

Steve Young never got that....Aaron Rodgers never got that. Jim Hostedler never got that.

I don't think that is normal for a vet to truley sell out and do it all for the team.


between Camp Alex and his handling of CK....he has shown his colors.

i hope he makes for a great coach someday.

I think Alex will continue to have a good football career...and that when he decides, if he decides, he will be the next great coach..at least as an OC.