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Vernon Davis / Kaepernick and our WR's route trees.

There is no chemistry with Kaep and VD. Alex got him the ball fine in the first half of the season. Kaep misses all his passes to him. But his good at hitting Crabtree. There is just no timing and chemistry with VD at all. Plus our offensive gameplan is bad IMO. We keep VD in to block too much. You don't have a 4.3 TE to block. That's just dumb. Use him.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no chemistry with Kaep and VD. Alex got him the ball fine in the first half of the season. Kaep misses all his passes to him. But his good at hitting Crabtree. There is just no timing and chemistry with VD at all. Plus our offensive gameplan is bad IMO. We keep VD in to block too much. You don't have a 4.3 TE to block. That's just dumb. Use him.

They could definitely use a little more imagination. The Seahawks ran a play in their last game where their TE stayed in to block a rushing linebacker and then released late allowing the linebacker through and Wilson just lofted it over the oncoming linebacker. There wasn't anyone within 20 yards of the TE. You'd think they could at least do something like that with Davis. Their guy lumbered for about 15 yards. Davis would have probably gotten 25 in the same situation.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no chemistry with Kaep and VD. Alex got him the ball fine in the first half of the season. Kaep misses all his passes to him. But his good at hitting Crabtree. There is just no timing and chemistry with VD at all. Plus our offensive gameplan is bad IMO. We keep VD in to block too much. You don't have a 4.3 TE to block. That's just dumb. Use him.

when walker gets more balls thrown to him than davis, there is something not right
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Vernon is a mismatch...

...if we have a LB covering him man and Vernon is not running any routes that require him to get out of his breaks quickly.

Man, dare I say it...Vernon is a great talent but he is...limited.
i just can not believe it is good for our team when walker gets more balls thrown his way than vernon. there is something wrong with that picture and it has been proven more than once on the field
Are you actually watching the games? How about this - when teams stack the box with 7 or 8 players and Frank Gore runs into a wall, do you jump to the conclusion that we should trade Frank Gore? Again, and this is not that hard to understand, when Davis releases and goes down field, a safety watches him over the top. That means the safety is NOT watching Walker if he also goes down field so Walker is open. This is defense 101. Do you get it? And please don't pretend that a QB can throw it to Davis even if he is covered. He's not a natural receiver like a Jimmy Grahm or a Tony Gonzolez, but he's a better all around TE.
it is obvious by your post that you know more about the game than me,, please do not misunderstand me cuz that is a compliment!! i am sure there is something to what you said but i just get very frustrated when he goes off vs the saints and then for the rest of the season he has one catch for five yards a game. i know he is a good blocker but i just think we should get more out of him than one catch a game,,, i think we really really need to have him be productive saturday.. if what you say is true then damn walker for missing so many chances to catch the ball this year
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no chemistry with Kaep and VD. Alex got him the ball fine in the first half of the season. Kaep misses all his passes to him. But his good at hitting Crabtree. There is just no timing and chemistry with VD at all. Plus our offensive gameplan is bad IMO. We keep VD in to block too much. You don't have a 4.3 TE to block. That's just dumb. Use him.

when walker gets more balls thrown to him than davis, there is something not right

I agree.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no chemistry with Kaep and VD. Alex got him the ball fine in the first half of the season. Kaep misses all his passes to him. But his good at hitting Crabtree. There is just no timing and chemistry with VD at all. Plus our offensive gameplan is bad IMO. We keep VD in to block too much. You don't have a 4.3 TE to block. That's just dumb. Use him.

They could definitely use a little more imagination. The Seahawks ran a play in their last game where their TE stayed in to block a rushing linebacker and then released late allowing the linebacker through and Wilson just lofted it over the oncoming linebacker. There wasn't anyone within 20 yards of the TE. You'd think they could at least do something like that with Davis. Their guy lumbered for about 15 yards. Davis would have probably gotten 25 in the same situation.


We need to be more creative. He's the most explosive player we have.
One word. Witten. Big guy, not fast, goes down 4-5 yds , comes back...bingo. 6 yd completion. And you all can say anything you want about vernon, but this is a case of disastrous coaching and playcalling abuse. Hell if roman doesn't know how to get vernon the ball, tell him to watch the feckless Cowboys and Witten..who is doubled, not necessarily fast, but he does a come backer, or buttonhook, and bingo, ball on the money time after time. What in the name of heck is so dam hard about that. It is also a reason CC and I both have a total dislike for roman, because you have to be stupid not to use vernon. This isn't the old vernon. This is the new one. And I swear, roman has no idea what to do with him, and worse, our HC, buys into it. NOT VERNON's fault, guys, this qualifies as ca ca for coaching.

It would be a nice time to change that , say Sat nite? My hope? Is that roman's microphone is cut off and he just watches and gives hand signals from the pressbox where nobody can see him. Now that would be a pleasant change. I also hope JH's new boy, has taken his own personal time to work with vernon. Because it is plain as day, kap can't hit him to save his life. One rainbow, that set vernon up for a career ender... Just got a concussion, but that is not what a GOOD Qb does to his receivers. Kap has responsiblilty here also, and he has fluffed on this. That is a bad sign. Peyton manning would be working his and vernon's azz off if he were on the broncos...and vernon would be a heckuva good receiver. Think bad coaching here. Really bad.