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Kaepernick vs RGIII and others - Statistical Comparison...

Originally posted by WWFGD:
Marvin49,

You are without a doubt my favorite poster in the Webzone. Great analysis and great videos! Keep it up!!!

That's why he's the leading vote getter so far in the WZ Favorite Poster category in the PL poll
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by WWFGD:
Marvin49,

You are without a doubt my favorite poster in the Webzone. Great analysis and great videos! Keep it up!!!

That's why he's the leading vote getter so far in the WZ Favorite Poster category in the PL poll


Wow.

I'm speechless....I never even saw that thread till now.
Originally posted by susweel:
CK7 >>>> RG3
Maybe not right now in overall terms..but after having watched a few of RG3's games I am almost sure Kaep is going to be a better pure passer. I"m also sensing that Harbaugh is coaching him out of his Nevada day's style of doing one read and taking off if there were yards to be had. Watching what has happened to running QB's like Vick, and what nearly happened to RG3's knee, makes it clear that the this is not a long term way to coach that position.

QB's win games primarily with their arms, field leadership, etc. As the most important position on the team one cannot risk injuring them no matter how many yards they can pick up with their legs. I feel this will eventually result in RG3 changing his style to less running and more passing or he will lose more and more time to injury. Same could happen to Russel Wilson. In the end the one that is the best pure passer will emerge as the best QB. If I had to guess who that would be in a few years from now I would put my money on Kaep.
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
CK7 gained all his stats in only 7 starts, it took all those rookies 16 games. -Of course those guys are rookies... but Kaep is still classified as a 'rookie' (despite his second year); sure Kaep plays on the best team of all those QBs (and had a year under a great system/head coach), but I think Kaep is the best young starter entering the post-season.

Kaep will be the first, and possibly only QB from the 2011 class to get a ring within the next five years (unless Cincy finally trashes Marvin Lewis).

One thing tho Snake; I'm not so sure Kap plays on the best team - At this time. I hate to say it but, the freakin Hawks are very good right now...
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You area already wrong. Kaep plaed like 7 3/4 games. Not 7.0. So your statistical analysis is already off. Didn't Smith get knocked out pretty early in that game? Kaep played most of it. Kaep played close to 8 full games. Just about 1 quarter short of that. So 7.0 would not be accurate.


Really? Thats how you are gonna come at me? "You are already wrong"? Dude...come on, gimme a little credit here. Of course he played LESS than 3 quarters of the first Rams game (Smith threw his TD to Crab in the second Quarter).

Thats probably why I tallied his totals only in the games that he STARTED. I didn't just take all of his stats and divide them by 7. For example (and I don't have the numbers in front of me), I did my math based on just over 1600 yards, not the 1814 he had on the year and I didn't give him credit for the TD he scored on the ground or the yards he gained against the Rams in that first game.

RGIII started 15 games so I did my analysis only on STARTS. IMO, it's only fair to compare games they prepared for as the starter.

Is SD. Please don't take anything he says serious. As a matter of fact, you should just ignore anything that he posts in any thread. You/everybody will be much better off.

Awe, he got his feelings hurt and reported me.

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Originally posted by aTx49er:
No offense but it's not really fair to compare Kaep to those other QBs right now. They had training camp to prepare before their first start. Kaep had a season and a half to prepare before his first. That is a huge advantage......


I disagree with the point your're trying to make.

Kaep had "more time", its true. But "more time" practicing with whom? Certainly not with first stringers. He's probably had less than half the snaps practicing with the 49ers first string players compared to those other guys. Being the second string quarterback means you are throwing to the second string players 90% of the time, including training camp.
Also, playing in the actual games helps quarterbacks. All of these young quarterbacks have improved with experience. So if Kaep had started the season, he would be better now because of more experience.

So he's had more time in the NFL, but not more time in the NFL practicing with the first string or playing in NFL games. Which one is more important can be debated, but for example, Aaron Rogers didn't look like Superman until he had some experience in NFL games with his first string players.
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
CK7 gained all his stats in only 7 starts, it took all those rookies 16 games. -Of course those guys are rookies... but Kaep is still classified as a 'rookie' (despite his second year); sure Kaep plays on the best team of all those QBs (and had a year under a great system/head coach), but I think Kaep is the best young starter entering the post-season.

Kaep will be the first, and possibly only QB from the 2011 class to get a ring within the next five years (unless Cincy finally trashes Marvin Lewis).

One thing tho Snake; I'm not so sure Kap plays on the best team - At this time. I hate to say it but, the freakin Hawks are very good right now...


The Hawks are good? Based on what? By the fact that they win big at home and nowhere else? Do you think they are going to walk into Washington and blow them out 50 - 3? They are only a good team when they have their 12th man.
I think Kaep already looks more polished. He is asked to do a lot more in the Niners offense than RGIII is in the Redskins offense. Kaep is getting better and better at making pre-snap reads and going through his progressions after the ball is snapped. Also, in terms of physical ability, I think Kaep definitely has the stronger arm and is a more accurate passer. I'm not sure who has the edge in speed, but I don't really think that the difference is all that important for the QB position.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
The Hawks are good? Based on what? By the fact that they win big at home and nowhere else? Do you think they are going to walk into Washington and blow them out 50 - 3? They are only a good team when they have their 12th man.


I don't think we can deny that they're good, but I do agree that they play much better at home. I actually predict that the Redskins and RGIII will win the game on Sunday.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
No offense but it's not really fair to compare Kaep to those other QBs right now. They had training camp to prepare before their first start. Kaep had a season and a half to prepare before his first. That is a huge advantage......


I disagree with the point your're trying to make.

Kaep had "more time", its true. But "more time" practicing with whom? Certainly not with first stringers. He's probably had less than half the snaps practicing with the 49ers first string players compared to those other guys. Being the second string quarterback means you are throwing to the second string players 90% of the time, including training camp.
Also, playing in the actual games helps quarterbacks. All of these young quarterbacks have improved with experience. So if Kaep had started the season, he would be better now because of more experience.

So he's had more time in the NFL, but not more time in the NFL practicing with the first string or playing in NFL games. Which one is more important can be debated, but for example, Aaron Rogers didn't look like Superman until he had some experience in NFL games with his first string players.

If you guys don't think having time to learn the offense and perfecting your quarterbacking skills(without pressure I might add) is a great advantage I don't know what else to say. Of course game experience is important but those other QBs were still learning the offense as they are gaining game experience.

Aaron Rodgers threw over 4000 yards with 28 TDs his very first starting season.

Kaep was considered a project coming out of college. Harbaugh has had a year and a half to mold him until he was ready. Just like Walsh had a year and a half to mold Montana until he was ready.
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by aTx49er:
No offense but it's not really fair to compare Kaep to those other QBs right now. They had training camp to prepare before their first start. Kaep had a season and a half to prepare before his first. That is a huge advantage......


I disagree with the point your're trying to make.

Kaep had "more time", its true. But "more time" practicing with whom? Certainly not with first stringers. He's probably had less than half the snaps practicing with the 49ers first string players compared to those other guys. Being the second string quarterback means you are throwing to the second string players 90% of the time, including training camp.
Also, playing in the actual games helps quarterbacks. All of these young quarterbacks have improved with experience. So if Kaep had started the season, he would be better now because of more experience.

So he's had more time in the NFL, but not more time in the NFL practicing with the first string or playing in NFL games. Which one is more important can be debated, but for example, Aaron Rogers didn't look like Superman until he had some experience in NFL games with his first string players.

If you guys don't think having time to learn the offense and perfecting your quarterbacking skills(without pressure I might add) is a great advantage I don't know what else to say. Of course game experience is important but those other QBs were still learning the offense as they are gaining game experience.

Aaron Rodgers threw over 4000 yards with 28 TDs his very first starting season.

Kaep was considered a project coming out of college. Harbaugh has had a year and a half to mold him until he was ready. Just like Walsh had a year and a half to mold Montana until he was ready.


It's a difficult debate because the era is different now. The college quarterbacks are so well prepared now, for a hundred different reasons probably. RGIII, Luck, Dalton, Kaep, they are all very sharp mentally. These guys are a lot smarter overall AND smarter with football in general than the average quarterback was 20 years ago. I don't know exactly why that is. For example, all of these guys (I'm pretty sure) had much higher Wonderlick scores than Montana, Elway, Marino. Again, I don't know why that is.
I think Kaep would have played basically the same as he is playing now if he started in the middle of last season. I just think that there is something about all the young kids, they know more about the game of football at their age than they knew 20 years ago.
Again, for some reason, they seem to also be a lot more confident and unfazed by the pressure. They have a "zen" attitude about it like they never had before.

That's what it seems like to me.
If I had a choice, I would take Kaepernick. I like that he doesn't run as much, and knows how to stay in the pocket. He can scramble when he has to, and I think he should save his energy from evading tacklers rather than charging up field. I don't want to see my QB, even as athletic as either of these two are, taking hard hits because of daring sprints like RGIII is prone to doing. Unfortunately, that WILL cost him someday, so I hope Kaepernick doesn't change that about himself and sticks to being a damned good pocket pass with remarkable evasion abilities and impeccable accuracy. He's a big tough kid too but the less he gets sacked the better.

Has he fumbled?
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Redskin's vs 49er's receiver's skill level debatable? Josh Morgan led the Redskins in catches, enough said. The biased homerism is pretty bad in here.
[ Edited by BobS on Jan 3, 2013 at 6:23 AM ]
How do the stats look when you compare each players first 7 games? I think that is more key than extrapolating stats. Without having a full season, it is impossible to determine how the QB will reallly function.
Kaepernick is in his 2nd year of this offense, these rookies are putting up similar numbers in their first year, Id take Luck, Wilson and RGIII over Kaepernick any day of the week