Kaepernick vs RGIII and others - Statistical Comparison... | Page 3

Marvin49 · 2013-01-02T14:29:02-08:00

Yes, I know there is a Kaep thread already but that is mostly about who should be the starter in SF, Kaep or Smith. I wanted to do something different here. My father is a Washington Redskins fan. It is a source of shame for me, so please...be kind. Anyway...we got into a talk in regards to RGIII. He loves the guy. Seeing what he has done so far I have to say I can see why. It did make me think tho. My father, most Redskins fans and the media in general are all going crazy for this guy. I was curious...so I wanted to see how he stacks up to our own young signal-caller. To make the numbers work, I divided Kaeps numbers by 7 (I only added the numbers from his starts so his rushing statistics are dramatically lower) and then multiplied them by 15 (the number of starts for RGIII this year). When there was a fraction result I rounded up or down to the closest whole number. I think you guys might be interested in the results. RGIII: 65.6 Comp%, 213.3 Passing YPG, 3200 Passing Yards, 8.1 YPA, 20 TDs, 5 INTs, 47 20+ yard plays, 6 40+ yard plays, 102.4 Rating, 815 rush yards, 6.8 per carry, 7 TDs Kaep: 62.4 Comp%, 229.7 Passing YPG, 3446 Passing Yards, 8.3 YPA, 21 TDs, 6 INTs, 68 20+ yard plays, 13 40+ yard plays, 98.3 Rating, 510 rush yards, 5.6 per carry, 4 TDs That makes me pretty damn happy. Obviously, there is no way to know how the exact number would work out. Maybe Kaep struggles down the stretch of a full season. Maybe his numbers go NUTS the way Wilsons have. Come to think of it...lets add Wilson over his 16 games.... Wilson: 64.1 Comp%, 194.9 Passing YPG, 3118 Passing Yards, 7.9 YPA, 26 TDs, 10 INTs, 42 20+ yard plays, 11 40+ yard plays, 100.0 Rating, 489 rush yards, 5.9 per carry, 4 TDs. Not bad. How about Andrew Luck? Luck: 54.1 Comp%, 273.4 Passing YPG, 4374 Passing Yards, 7.0 YPA, 23 TDs, 18 INTs, 68 20+ yard plays, 11 40+ yard plays, 76.5 Rating, 255 rush yards, 3.9 per carry, 5 TDs. I give Andrew a bit of a pass on this one though as he is the ONLY thing on that team and he is forced to throw...ALOT. What else do these young QBs all have in common? ALL of them are in the playoffs.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM

#31

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You area already wrong. Kaep plaed like 7 3/4 games. Not 7.0. So your statistical analysis is already off. Didn't Smith get knocked out pretty early in that game? Kaep played most of it. Kaep played close to 8 full games. Just about 1 quarter short of that. So 7.0 would not be accurate.

Why don't you read the OP next time.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:25 PM

#32

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Originally posted by susweel:
CK7 >>>> RG3

You are either a homer or never watched the Redskins. If the Redskin receivers don't lead the league in drops they are close, their best receiver Pierre Garcon has missed 1/2 the season. 49er receivers are worlds better than Washington's. If RG3 was a 49er he would put much better numbers.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM

#33

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Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You area already wrong. Kaep plaed like 7 3/4 games. Not 7.0. So your statistical analysis is already off. Didn't Smith get knocked out pretty early in that game? Kaep played most of it. Kaep played close to 8 full games. Just about 1 quarter short of that. So 7.0 would not be accurate.

Really? Thats how you are gonna come at me? "You are already wrong"? Dude...come on, gimme a little credit here. Of course he played LESS than 3 quarters of the first Rams game (Smith threw his TD to Crab in the second Quarter).

Thats probably why I tallied his totals only in the games that he STARTED. I didn't just take all of his stats and divide them by 7. For example (and I don't have the numbers in front of me), I did my math based on just over 1600 yards, not the 1814 he had on the year and I didn't give him credit for the TD he scored on the ground or the yards he gained against the Rams in that first game.

RGIII started 15 games so I did my analysis only on STARTS. IMO, it's only fair to compare games they prepared for as the starter.

RG3 can snap the ball without time running out. All delay of game penalties and timeouts with Kaep. I like his upside but I'm not sure yet. He can be great for sure (Kaep). He's just not there yet.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

#34

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Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by susweel:
CK7 >>>> RG3

You are either a homer or never watched the Redskins. If the Redskin receivers don't lead the league in drops they are close, their best receiver Pierre Garcon has missed 1/2 the season. 49er receivers are worlds better than Washington's. If RG3 was a 49er he would put much better numbers.

Debatable.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM

#35

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Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by susweel:
CK7 >>>> RG3

You are either a homer or never watched the Redskins. If the Redskin receivers don't lead the league in drops they are close, their best receiver Pierre Garcon has missed 1/2 the season. 49er receivers are worlds better than Washington's. If RG3 was a 49er he would put much better numbers.

I have watched alot of Redskins game. And I can say for sure that I think CK7 is a better passer (better arm strength and accuracy than RG3). Plus, Washington calls alot of read options for RG3.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:47 PM

#36

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You area already wrong. Kaep plaed like 7 3/4 games. Not 7.0. So your statistical analysis is already off. Didn't Smith get knocked out pretty early in that game? Kaep played most of it. Kaep played close to 8 full games. Just about 1 quarter short of that. So 7.0 would not be accurate.

Really? Thats how you are gonna come at me? "You are already wrong"? Dude...come on, gimme a little credit here. Of course he played LESS than 3 quarters of the first Rams game (Smith threw his TD to Crab in the second Quarter).

Thats probably why I tallied his totals only in the games that he STARTED. I didn't just take all of his stats and divide them by 7. For example (and I don't have the numbers in front of me), I did my math based on just over 1600 yards, not the 1814 he had on the year and I didn't give him credit for the TD he scored on the ground or the yards he gained against the Rams in that first game.

RGIII started 15 games so I did my analysis only on STARTS. IMO, it's only fair to compare games they prepared for as the starter.

RG3 can snap the ball without time running out. All delay of game penalties and timeouts with Kaep. I like his upside but I'm not sure yet. He can be great for sure (Kaep). He's just not there yet.

Well....

1) That has nothing to do with what you said.
2) RGIII isn't running an offense that depends on numerous line shifts, depends on a line call (Kill or Let it Roll) on EVERY down, or waits until the very last second before every snap to force the D to declare.

I can do this all day.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

#37

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Originally posted by ginseng1000:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by susweel:
CK7 >>>> RG3

You are either a homer or never watched the Redskins. If the Redskin receivers don't lead the league in drops they are close, their best receiver Pierre Garcon has missed 1/2 the season. 49er receivers are worlds better than Washington's. If RG3 was a 49er he would put much better numbers.

I have watched alot of Redskins game. And I can say for sure that I think CK7 is a better passer (better arm strength and accuracy than RG3). Plus, Washington calls alot of read options for RG3.

Yeah...they run the Pistol alot more than the Niners do. Thats one of the reasons RGIII has so many carries and over 800 rushing yards.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:49 PM

#38

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There's already a thread for this...

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/169626-griffin-or-kaepernick/search=Griffin

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:50 PM

#39

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Originally posted by paperplanemedia:
There's already a thread for this...

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/169626-griffin-or-kaepernick/search=Griffin

Its also about Luck and Wilson.

Jan 2, 2013 at 8:56 PM

#40

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Originally posted by ginseng1000:
Arm Strength: CK > RG3
Accuracy: CK > RG3

as far as mobility and speed i think its up in the air...

I love Kaep as much as the next guy, but come on. RGIII is much more accurate (didn't you see the comparison in the OP?) and he literally is an Olympic level hurdler.

Jan 2, 2013 at 9:00 PM

#41

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Originally posted by Chrs0049:

Originally posted by ginseng1000:
Arm Strength: CK > RG3
Accuracy: CK > RG3

as far as mobility and speed i think its up in the air...

I love Kaep as much as the next guy, but come on. RGIII is much more accurate (didn't you see the comparison in the OP?) and he literally is an Olympic level hurdler.

Not sure about the accuracy thing as Kaep completes alot more 25 plus yard passes than RGIII.

As far as the hurdler thing...agreed. RGIII is a TREMENDOUS athlete. My conmcern with him is and has always been size and possible fragility.

Jan 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM

#42

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the real question is who has the biggest turtle

Jan 2, 2013 at 9:05 PM

#43

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Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by susweel:
CK7 >>>> RG3

You are either a homer or never watched the Redskins. If the Redskin receivers don't lead the league in drops they are close, their best receiver Pierre Garcon has missed 1/2 the season. 49er receivers are worlds better than Washington's. If RG3 was a 49er he would put much better numbers.

nobody has ever accused me of being a homer that I can assure of. I have seen him play and he runs gimmick offense that doesn't have make more than one or two reads. He is good and I think he has a bright future but I think CK also has bright future. The receiver part is debatable.

Jan 2, 2013 at 9:10 PM

#44

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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You area already wrong. Kaep plaed like 7 3/4 games. Not 7.0. So your statistical analysis is already off. Didn't Smith get knocked out pretty early in that game? Kaep played most of it. Kaep played close to 8 full games. Just about 1 quarter short of that. So 7.0 would not be accurate.

Really? Thats how you are gonna come at me? "You are already wrong"? Dude...come on, gimme a little credit here. Of course he played LESS than 3 quarters of the first Rams game (Smith threw his TD to Crab in the second Quarter).

Thats probably why I tallied his totals only in the games that he STARTED. I didn't just take all of his stats and divide them by 7. For example (and I don't have the numbers in front of me), I did my math based on just over 1600 yards, not the 1814 he had on the year and I didn't give him credit for the TD he scored on the ground or the yards he gained against the Rams in that first game.

RGIII started 15 games so I did my analysis only on STARTS. IMO, it's only fair to compare games they prepared for as the starter.

Is SD. Please don't take anything he says serious. As a matter of fact, you should just ignore anything that he posts in any thread. You/everybody will be much better off.

Awe, he got his feelings hurt and reported me.

Jan 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM

#45

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Marvin49,

You are without a doubt my favorite poster in the Webzone. Great analysis and great videos! Keep it up!!!