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Week 16: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

we got beat. need to "Dust off, and ride"

this will be a good laugh after we win the Superbowl!!!!!

Go Niners!!!
Well said... One thing that stood out to me was coming out firing passes on the first series. Maybe Harbs thought we could get a quick score and take the crowd out of it. That backfired in a big way. IMO we need to rely on our run game exactly how we used to do with AS.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We were humiliated. Week 16 is not the time for CK to be having "learning experiences" when we want to make a Super Bowl run. This change should never have been made until next year. There's not a snowballs chance in Hades that we make it through back to back ferocious playoff crowds in Green Bay and Atlanta with Kaepernick at the helm. I just don't see it.

I know, it's all opinion, but that is my gut feeling. I love my team to death and it frustrates me like no other to have to sit here and feel like we made a mistake that is going to cost us at the very least a deep run into the post-season.

I pretty much agree with all of this, but the decision was made and we have to live with it
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ouch. Rough game. I had to rewatch that one fairly quickly to help get over it. Usually when I rewatch a game, its never quite as good or bad as I remember. This was no different

1) Kaepernick: As you might expect, the "bring back Alex Smith" peeps are out again. We will never know if Alex playing would have made a difference. I for one highly doubt it though as Alex does block on Field Goals or play defense. Kaep did not have a good game, but he wasn't the reason the team lost. He made some good throws, some bad throws and probably should have been intercepted more than he was. He also had issues again with the clock. I really think this has alot to do with the way they always try to snap the ball with very little time on the clock. They try to force the D to declare by doing that, but too often Kaep sees the change he wants to make at the line and then doesn't have enough time to make the change.

Yes, Alex Smith handles this better right now, but again, I don't think this is why they lost. This is just why it looked more ugly at times. Anyway, we can call this one a learning experience. These are the kinds of games that a young QB can really learn from. Remember...Russell Wilsons worst game as a pro came against the Niners in their first meeting. Through 6 games, Wilson had 5 TDs and 6 INTs. Since that game, he's been one of the best QBs in the NFL. This move to Kaep was made with January in mind. Their road may have gotten a bit harder, but this team always responds in a big way. This thing aint over by a longshot.

2) The "Pattern": I noticed this thing after week 6 as I'm sure many other have as well, but I've never mentioned it. Win-Win-Loss-Win-Win-Loss-Win-Win-Tie-Win-Win-Loss-Win-Win-Loss. This pattern would have the Niners lose (can't tie) in the second week of the playoffs. Could be the divisional round or the championship game depending on when happens in the GB-Minn game next week. I'm not saying this is what I predict...just saying that would be the pattern. I hope we break that streak, but its become enough of a pattern to make a mention of it.

3) Fatigue: I think the Niners likely would have lost this game regardless, but don't kid yourself...there was some significant fatigue from the Pats game last night...particularly on D. They were just a step slow all night. I'm not trying to make an excuse...they got beat...but they just didn't have the juice they usually do. It was painful to watch...but I think THEY knew it early on too. Seattle came out like this was the Super Bowl and the Niners were barely awake.

4) Justion Smith: This one has me really nervous. I thought the big deal that was made of losing him in the Pats game was overblown. Last night tho....WOAH. We need him back. That D just isn't the same without him. That plus the fatigue...yikes. We also better start looking for Justins replacement. NOW. If this is a sign of what this team will look like when he retires, then we may not sit at the top of the heap for long. The offense will improve and at some point we may not need to depend so greatly on the D to dominate, but we need to look at drafting his eventual replacement THIS YEAR. When that happens tho, I hope we don't hear in this forum about how the guy is a bust because he can't get any playing time. Sigh.

5) Vernon: I dunno if that hit was legal or not. Goldson was flagged AND fined for a very similar hit last week. It was not helmet to helmet, but he did lead with his head and put his head down. I think it was in fact an illegal hit, but I wouldn't bet anything on it. Rergardless, it took a player we could not afford to lose out of the game. They had something going there. If they score on that drive, Its 14-7. Instead the FG is blocked and its 21-0. HUGE difference. Delanie said they had to move him over to Vernons spot after he was hurt and that made a difference....but losing Vernon is a problem even if he isn't cathcing passes. It hurts them in the run game AND pass game. Defenses don't have to account for him deep. We need him back.

6) Manningham: Man, that sucks. Mario has been a clutch player for them this year. Several weeks ago people were complaining about the Niners first 2 picks. Well, now we can be happy that the Niners made them. James and Jenkins are both going to be on the playoff rosters. James is already contributing. Hopefully Jenkins can as well. I don't want to see Ginn playing WR.

7) Harbaugh/Caroll/Sherman: I've had just about enough of this. I dunno if Harbaugh honked at the bus at the 'stick. Frankly I don't care. I can tell you this though...I CAN'T STAND Richard Sherman. His big beef with Harbaugh is that Harbaugh switched him to DB when he wanted to play WR. Yeah...looks like Harbaugh was WAY off the mark on that one SMDH. That dude had a very good game last night and has turned into a very good player...but he needs to shuit the hell up. I never advocate hurting players, but I have to admit I wouldn't shed a tear if someone took out his knees. I guess I can just enjoy the knowledge that he'll be sitting at home when his team is eliminated from the playoffs. I am really annoyed tho that he was even allowed to play in the game. Its a joke that he'll play 3 fulkl games while appealing his suspension. JOKE. As for Carroll, him being portrayed as having class is another big joke. The guy jumped ship from USC just before they were hit with sanctions. Coincidense? I think not. He just ran up the score last week. This thig is going to get ugly at some point and I hope we see that team again in the playoffs...AT THE 'STICK. That stadium is a crazy homefield advantage. Gratz to them for having that, but the Super Bowl is on a neutral Field...so good luck with that.

8) Aldon: I don't quite know what to make of his play the last few weeks. Its easy to say that is drop in production is directly related to Justin not being in there, but I think that may be to simplistic. I think it has more to do with 2 slick tracks, Bradys ability to get rid of the ball quickly and that tempo which has Aldon GASSED, Fran Tarn...err....Russell Wilson, and the Seahawks running the ball ALOT with a big lead. I think he'll be fine, but sadly I think the record might be beyond his grasp. I tink he'll fall just short, just as he did with the rookie record.

9) The NFC West: I think the jokes are over. This division is ROUGH. Just ask the Patriots. I really hate the Seahawks and I hate to say it, but they are here to stay. The Niners had better find a way to beat that team in Seattle or they are going to be thorn in our collective sides for years to come.

10) Lets just chill out a bit: Embarassing loss. No doubt. I was all gloomy after the game too. We need to bounce back here. The Seahawks are a good team, but they aren't THAT good. Put this game in a different field and put Justin Smith in the game and it's a whole different story. If we win this week we still have a chance at the bye and even if we don't get it, that playoff game will be at home. Teams have taken much tought roads to the Super Bowl. Thisd ain't the end peeps...it's juys a bump in the road.


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Yeah that little story about Carroll having class? psst give me a break. This is coming from the guy who runs up the score whenever he gets the chance and goes for fake punts when his team is up by four touchdowns.

As for Sherman, he really thinks he's hot s**t. I couldn't stand how he was clapping after that 35 yard catch by Crabtree, as if it's one hell of an accomplishment to complete a pass on him. The only reason he's playing so well is because he is allowed to mug receivers where ever they go. He practically commits holding and illegal contact on every play and it never gets called for some reason. I could shut receivers down in the league if I was allowed to hold on to them and bump them 15 yards down field. Bottom line he's a cheater on and off the field (performance enhancing drugs) and a major douche that needs to get his ass f**ked up with a huge hit by someone, hopefully by one of our players in the playoffs! Stupid motherf**ker
[ Edited by pwillis52beasty on Dec 24, 2012 at 12:08 PM ]
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I don't need to rewatch the game to see that the Seahawks were getting away with holding on every f'n play practically.

Here are just some of the examples:

Marshawn Lynch's 24 yard touchdown run - RJF getting his jersey held from the back right in front of the officials.
Richard Sherman tugging away at Michael Crabtree's arms well PAST 5 yards! Crabtree made the catch but still.
Russell Okung having his arms around Aldon Smith (almost like a bear hug)... I mean really is that allowed? I understand Smith should have used his arms and not given up his chest to Okung... but seriously, you can't have your arms around a guys shoulders like that.

Just a couple of the things I noticed and I don't have the view the officials had. How many holding penalties did they get called for? I think it was 1... Seriously, wtf?
Where did these replacement refs come from last night?
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Yeah that little story about Carroll having class? psst give me a break. This is coming from the guy who runs up the score whenever he gets the chance and goes for fake punts when his team is up by four touchdowns.

As for Sherman, he really thinks he's hot s**t. I couldn't stand how he was clapping after that 35 yard catch by Crabtree, as if it's one hell of an accomplishment to complete a pass on him. The only reason he's playing so well is because he is allowed to mug receivers where ever they go. He practically commits holding and illegal contact on every play and it never gets called for some reason. I could shut receivers down in the league if I was allowed to hold on to them and bump them 15 yards down field. Bottom line he's a cheater on and off the field (performance enhancing drugs) and a major douche that needs to get his ass f**ked up with a huge hit by someone, hopefully by one of our players in the playoffs! Stupid motherf**ker

i want the rams to win so badly. even if the division title wasn't on the line. i don't care.


sherman's quickly become my most disliked player.............................................................. ever. in any sport.
Good post Marv.

Here are some of my thoughts.

1). Our Red Zone offense seems very predictable against Seattle. We were down there 3 or 4 times and came away with poop.

2). Justin Smith is THE most important person on the D. I know it's a team game BUT when he went out in NE game and yesterday our D-backs get beat up.
Carlos - worst game, Brooks -worst game, the whole secondary got torched. Aldon - not very effective Ray Mac was not a factor at all. Justin is the lynch pin and I fear he may be out for the playoffs. Nobody can get any accurate info on this.

3). The 12 man really exists and helped Seattle.

4). Why was Manningham even in the game? Easy for me to say BUT JH could have put Jenkins in - now Manny may be out for a while [I hope not]

5). Why didn't we have a spy on Wilson the whole game?

6). Kap is having growing pains and BETTER now than in the playoffs. He'll be fine and learn from this.

7). Our D was gassed at the end of the Pats game and looked gassed at the start of this one. We MUST get a better Dline rotation. Ian played well. Totally unimpressed w/Dobbs and Tuk all season long.

8). Carroll has drafted very well and it shows. Especially on their D.

9). IMO, we lost it in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

Thanks again for all your work. Like many here in the zone, I really look forward to your weekly after-game thoughts.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We were humiliated. Week 16 is not the time for CK to be having "learning experiences" when we want to make a Super Bowl run. This change should never have been made until next year. There's not a snowballs chance in Hades that we make it through back to back ferocious playoff crowds in Green Bay and Atlanta with Kaepernick at the helm. I just don't see it.

I know, it's all opinion, but that is my gut feeling. I love my team to death and it frustrates me like no other to have to sit here and feel like we made a mistake that is going to cost us at the very least a deep run into the post-season.

I pretty much agree with all of this, but the decision was made and we have to live with it

Yup a pretty dumb decision just because it was made this late in the season with superbowl aspirations in mind. Can't afford learning experiences form your qb at this point if you want to win it all THIS year. Yup, we gotta ride with it tho.
Originally posted by 49er:
I don't need to rewatch the game to see that the Seahawks were getting away with holding on every f'n play practically.

Here are just some of the examples:

Marshawn Lynch's 24 yard touchdown run - RJF getting his jersey held from the back right in front of the officials.
Richard Sherman tugging away at Michael Crabtree's arms well PAST 5 yards! Crabtree made the catch but still.
Russell Okung having his arms around Aldon Smith (almost like a bear hug)... I mean really is that allowed? I understand Smith should have used his arms and not given up his chest to Okung... but seriously, you can't have your arms around a guys shoulders like that.

Just a couple of the things I noticed and I don't have the view the officials had. How many holding penalties did they get called for? I think it was 1... Seriously, wtf?
Where did these replacement refs come from last night?
Dude tell me about it. All these holding penalties were happening all game long and there were no calls ever! It's ridiculous how they can blatantly hold and mug receivers and their oline and grab hand fulls of jerseys when russel is scrambling around for 15 seconds each play. f**kin refs start watching russell run and don't pay attention to the f**kin linemen getting held.

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Yeah that little story about Carroll having class? psst give me a break. This is coming from the guy who runs up the score whenever he gets the chance and goes for fake punts when his team is up by four touchdowns.

As for Sherman, he really thinks he's hot s**t. I couldn't stand how he was clapping after that 35 yard catch by Crabtree, as if it's one hell of an accomplishment to complete a pass on him. The only reason he's playing so well is because he is allowed to mug receivers where ever they go. He practically commits holding and illegal contact on every play and it never gets called for some reason. I could shut receivers down in the league if I was allowed to hold on to them and bump them 15 yards down field. Bottom line he's a cheater on and off the field (performance enhancing drugs) and a major douche that needs to get his ass f**ked up with a huge hit by someone, hopefully by one of our players in the playoffs! Stupid motherf**ker

i want the rams to win so badly. even if the division title wasn't on the line. i don't care.


sherman's quickly become my most disliked player.............................................................. ever. in any sport.
Yeah he's a thug and a piece of s**t cheating douche bag
Oh and I hate this stupid ass story by Earl Thomas about how Harbaugh honked and waved at their team on the bus after we beat them the first game. Harbaugh said in his press conference this didn't happen and said that he can't even recall ever leaving at the same time as the other team. I hate how different people are attempting to destroy the image of different players and coaches on our team with these stories with no evidence backing them. Like when stupid ass kevin gilbride says that justin smith gets away with murder for holding linemen every play. That's so much b******t, that's why he never gets called for it huh gilbride. Because that s**t doesn't happen.
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Ouch. Rough game. I had to rewatch that one fairly quickly to help get over it. Usually when I rewatch a game, its never quite as good or bad as I remember. This was no different

1) Kaepernick: As you might expect, the "bring back Alex Smith" peeps are out again. We will never know if Alex playing would have made a difference. I for one highly doubt it though as Alex does block on Field Goals or play defense. Kaep did not have a good game, but he wasn't the reason the team lost. He made some good throws, some bad throws and probably should have been intersepted more than he was. He also has issues again with the clock. I really think this has alot to do with the way they always try to snap the ball with very little time on the clock. They try to force the D to declare by doing that, but too often Kaep sees the change he wants to make at the line and then doesn't have enough time to make the change.

Yes, Alex Smith handles this better right now, but again, I don't think this is why they lost. This is just why it looked more ugly at times. Anyway, we can call this one a learning experience. These are the kinds of games that a young QB can really learn from. Remember...Russell Wilsons worst game as a pro came against the Niners in their first meeting. Through 6 games, Wilson had 5 TDs and 6 INTs. Since that game, he's been one of the best QBs in the NFL. This move to Kaep was made with January in mind. Their road may have gotten a bit harder, but this team always responds in a big way. This thing aint over by a longshot.

2) The "Pattern": I noticed this thing after week 6 as I'm sure many other have as well, but I've never mentioned it. Win-Win-Loss-Win-Win-Loss-Win-Win-Tie-Win-Win-Loss-Win-Win-Loss. This pattern would have the Niners lose (can't tie) in the second week of the playoffs. Could be the divisional round or the championship game depending on when happens in the GB-Minn game next week. I'm not saying this is what I predict...just saying that would be the pattern. I hope we break that streak, but its become enough of a pattern to make a mention of it.

3) Fatigue: I think the Niners likely would have lost tis game regardless, but don't kid yourself...there was some significant fatigue from the Pats game last night...particularly on D. They were just a step slow all night. I'm not trying to make an excuse...they got beat...but they just didn't have the juice they usually do. It was painful to watch...but I think THEY knew it early on too. Seattle came out like this was the Super Bowl and the Niners were barely awake.

4) Justion Smith: This one has me really nervous. I thought the big deal that was made of losing him in the Pats game was overblown. Last night tho....WOAH. We need him back. That D just isn't the same without him. That plus the fatigue...yikes. We also better start looking for Justins replacement. NOW. If this is a sign of what this team will look like when he retires, then we may not sit at the top of the heap for long. The offense will improve and at some point we may not need to depend so greatly on the D to dominate, but we need to look at drafting his eventual replacement THIS YEAR. When that happens tho, I hope we don't hear in this forum about how the guy is a bust because he can't get any playing time. Sigh.

5) Vernon: I dunno if that hit was legal or not. Goldson was flagged AND fined for a very similar hit last week. It was not helmet to helmet, but he did lead with his head and put his head down. I think it was in fact an illegal hit, but I wouldn't bet anything on it. Rergardless, it took a player we could not afford to lose out of the game. They had something going there. If they score on that drive, Its 14-7. Instead the FG is blocked and its 21-0. HUGE difference. Delanie said they had to move him over to Vernons spot after he was hurt and that made a difference....but losing Vernon is a problem even if he isn't cathcing passes. It hurts them in the run game AND pass game. Defenses don't have to account for him deep. We need him back.

6) Manningham: Man, that sucks. Mario has been a clutch player for them this year. Several weeks ago peoploe were complaining about the Niners first 2 picks. Well, now we can be happy that the Niners made them. James and Jenkins are both going to be on the playoff rosters. James is already contributing. Hopefully Jenkins can as well. I don't want to see Ginn playing WR.

7) Harbaugh/Caroll/Sherman: I've had just about enough of this. I dunno if Harbaugh honked at the bus at the 'stick. Frankly I don't care. I can tell you this though...I CAN'T STAND Richard Sherman. His big beef with Harbaugh is that Harbaugh switched him to DB when he wanted to play WR. Yeah...looks like Harbaugh was WAY off the mark on that one SMDH. That dude had a very good game last night and has turned into a very good player...but he needs to shuit the hell up. I never advocate hurting players, but I have to admit I wouldn't shed a tear if someone took out his knees. I guess I can just enjoy the knowledge that he'll be sitting at home when his team is eliminated from the playoffs. I am really annoyed tho that he was even allowed to play in the game. Its a joke that he'll play 3 fulkl games while appealing his suspension. JOKE. As for Carroll, him being portrayed as having class is another big joke. The guy jumped ship from USC just before they were hit with sanctions. Coincidense? I think not. He just ran up the score last week. This thig is going to get ugly at some point and I hope we see that team again in the playoffs...AT THE 'STICK. That stadium is a crazy homefield advantage. Gratz to them for having that, but the Super Bowl is on a neutral Field...so good luck with that.

8) Aldon: I don't quite know what to make of his play the last few weeks. Its easy to say that is drop in production is directly related to Justin not being in there, but I think that may be to simplistic. I think it has more to do with 2 slick tracks, Bradys ability to get rid of the ball quickly and that tempo which has Aldon GASSED, Fran Tarn...err....Russell Wilson, and the Seahawks running the ball ALOT with a big lead. I think he'll be fine, but sadly I think the record might be beyond his grasp. I tink he'll fall just short, just as he did with the rookie record.

9) The NFC West: I think the jokes are over. This division is ROUGH. Just ask the Patriots. I really hate the Seahawks and I hate to say it, but they are here to stay. The Niners had better find a way to beat that team in Seattle or they are going to be thorn in our collective sides for years to come.

10) Lets just chill out a bit: Embarassing loss. No doubt. I was all gloomy after the game too. We need to bounce back here. The Seahawks are a good team, but they aren't THAT good. Put this game in a different field and put Justin Smith in the game and it's a whole different story. If we win this week we still have a chance at the bye and even if we don't get it, that playoff game will be at home. Teams have taken much tought roads to the Super Bowl. Thisd ain't the end peeps...it's juys a bump in the road.


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marvin--i respect your views and look forward to your post game threads...as far as the analysis of the qb that you usually lead off with, in a related manner do you have any thoughts on whether the Niners changed their offensive philosphy when they made the qb switch ---it seems they have drifted away from the power running game with gore following miller's lead blocks or getting wham blocks from walker and boone'iupati and more to this read option, diamond formation stuff--it seems to me at best the qb play itself has been a wash (with a loss of smith's experience) while the team has really weakened its core strength, the running game
Yeah you can't help but notice this drifting that has taken place. The read option places the onus on the qb to make the reads and veil hand-offs while the smash-mouth is the attack (with uppercuts and power haymakers) The Read option is finesse that has power the Smash mouth style is power that requires finesse and I think that the seahawks rip through finesse with speed wayyyy too often. They are well equipped to handle that attack. On defense we have to respect them for finding ways to earhole Willis and make Bowman the sole threat.
a fight is going to break out on field next time we play seattle.
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Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Oh and I hate this stupid ass story by Earl Thomas about how Harbaugh honked and waved at their team on the bus after we beat them the first game. Harbaugh said in his press conference this didn't happen and said that he can't even recall ever leaving at the same time as the other team. I hate how different people are attempting to destroy the image of different players and coaches on our team with these stories with no evidence backing them. Like when stupid ass kevin gilbride says that justin smith gets away with murder for holding linemen every play. That's so much b******t, that's why he never gets called for it huh gilbride. Because that s**t doesn't happen.

To be fair, it does happen sometimes on stunts and its been shown on replays.
But getting away with "murder"? Hardly. Because it doesn't happen as often as Kevin Gilbride made it seem like it does. Seahawks got away with "murder" last night, make no mistake about it!

I know the Niners are supposed to send over a tape of questionable calls to officials (something to that effect)... Hopefully they can fit the entire game on a DVD for them.
Either Aldon is just gassed or he's taking plays off. It never really seems like he's running 100%. If thats the case then they should rotate someone in with him.
Great job Marvin 49! Very rough game to watch, but ready to move on to next week and the playoffs. Go 49ers!
Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
we got beat. need to "Dust off, and ride"

this will be a good laugh after we win the Superbowl!!!!!

Go Niners!!!

f**k yeah baby. That's the spirit. Pete Carroll won't be so happy sitting at home this year watching us hoisting our 6th lombardi trophy! These painful moments make those sweet moments even sweeter! We'll get the last laugh!