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Why do our receivers continue to be horrible at drops?

  • pd24
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Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by HeavyDrifting:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by crabman82:
we dont have natural pass catchers. walker drops balls, we've seen VD do it over the years. moss will drop balls and ginn is downright horrible. only manningham and crabtree have above average hands on the team. when i played football as a youngster you could see it on your team, some guys fight the ball and prefer to catch with their body.

Bingo!

49er wide receivers are grossly over-rated on this board. Crabtree is STILL the only guy who could make the roster on a good passing team. Don't believe me? Why did Baalke go out and sign a washed up Randy Moss? Take the unwanted #3 receiver from the NYG (Manningham)? Use a #1 pick on a WR that has not seen the field even once (first year BUST)? (Williams doesn't factor at this point.) Other than Crabtree, none of these guys will be playing on a Super Bowl winning team. Besides not holding onto the ball, they are not even getting open.

TEs? We've seen Walker. UGH! People are in love with what they want him to be while denying what he is. That is a very bad formula in any relationship. Davis has been absent much of the time but still drops one now and then.

The numbers are not made better in the past three games by Kaepernick who is still learning to take a little off his fastball for shorter throws. When you are dislocating a receiver's finger on a 15 yard throw you might want to have a little touch.

Those are my observations...

Mario couldn't even be the #3 WR on the Giants.

Actually he could, and he excelled at it for 2 years before last year when he dealt with injuries throughout the year last year and fell out of favor.

800-900 yards is major productivity for the 3rd option in an offense. Of course, that was in New York, with a top 5 Quarterback and a pass-oriented scheme, as opposed to here, with 2 flawed QB's and one of the worst passing schemes in football.

If he could, he'd still be there. Not arguing how he lost his job.He was unable to get it back....and we're talking about the #3 spot...not the #2.

He didn't lose the number 3 spot, he left as a FA. The Giants still haven't replace his production.
Originally posted by HeavyDrifting:
You really don't get it. It's quite hilarious actually. Any decent OC(not Roman) who had this stable of weapons would have no problems finding matchup wins. Vernon Davis is the fastest TE in football, Crabtree is one of the best runners after the catch in football, a very skilled underneath receiver, and Manningham has major game speed with excellent short area quickness. If you really think a team like the Saints or the Patriots have better weapons than we do, then you have no clue about how to evaluate talent. Well, we already knew that, because you actually thought Derek Smith was a competent linebacker.

LMAO. That's low dude...REALLY low!
Originally posted by HeavyDrifting:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Never throw the ball to Delanie Walker. For every good play, you get two bad ones. Dude is so overrated on this board, it is ridiculous.

Coby Fleener: 22 catches for 248 @ an 11 yard average with 1 TD.

In our offense, right out of the gate, you could probably double/triple that number (for us).

Fleener isn't even the starter hombre. Walker kind of sucks, but Fleener is well on his way to being a bust. Dwayne Allen is a better target for Luck.

Starter? What are Walker's numbers?
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by HeavyDrifting:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Never throw the ball to Delanie Walker. For every good play, you get two bad ones. Dude is so overrated on this board, it is ridiculous.

Coby Fleener: 22 catches for 248 @ an 11 yard average with 1 TD.

In our offense, right out of the gate, you could probably double/triple that number (for us).

Fleener isn't even the starter hombre. Walker kind of sucks, but Fleener is well on his way to being a bust. Dwayne Allen is a better target for Luck.

Starter? What are Walker's numbers?

It is true though, Dwayne Allen is a better target for Luck this year. TE's can be found in round 2 or 3 and we have a bunch of picks this year to get a big pass catching TE.
The glaring problem that we tried to address in the offseason is still just as glaring. A.J jenkins still off the field, Manningham hasnt been much of a factor, and moss has been a nice conversation topic but not much more.( LOVING CRABTREE!!!) but i would have to give a very low grade to whomever job it was to improve the W.R.s. the fact that alex was able to do what he did last year with hastings ,swain, and crabtree really ought to be considered remarkable.
Originally posted by pd24:
It is true though, Dwayne Allen is a better target for Luck this year. TE's can be found in round 2 or 3 and we have a bunch of picks this year to get a big pass catching TE.

Yeah, Walker has 12 catches for 186 yards and 1 TD. I agree but feel Fleener has a ton of upside and would have an immediate impact in OUR offense from day 1 b/c of his familiarity in this offense. Couple that fact with the players he'd have around him here (as opposed to the Colts) and the conservative, check-down mentality we have, he could have been a big hitter for us IMHO.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by pd24:
It is true though, Dwayne Allen is a better target for Luck this year. TE's can be found in round 2 or 3 and we have a bunch of picks this year to get a big pass catching TE.

Yeah, Walker has 12 catches for 186 yards and 1 TD. I agree but feel Fleener has a ton of upside and would have an immediate impact in OUR offense from day 1 b/c of his familiarity in this offense. Couple that fact with the players he'd have around him here (as opposed to the Colts) and the conservative, check-down mentality we have, he could have been a big hitter for us IMHO.
True, but I think this year there are about 4 or 5 of those 6'5'' TE's that might be better all around than Fleener. ND has one, UCLA has one, Stanford has 1 or 2, and a few others. Should be a deep TE draft.
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by pd24:
It is true though, Dwayne Allen is a better target for Luck this year. TE's can be found in round 2 or 3 and we have a bunch of picks this year to get a big pass catching TE.

Yeah, Walker has 12 catches for 186 yards and 1 TD. I agree but feel Fleener has a ton of upside and would have an immediate impact in OUR offense from day 1 b/c of his familiarity in this offense. Couple that fact with the players he'd have around him here (as opposed to the Colts) and the conservative, check-down mentality we have, he could have been a big hitter for us IMHO.
True, but I think this year there are about 4 or 5 of those 6'5'' TE's that might be better all around than Fleener. ND has one, UCLA has one, Stanford has 1 or 2, and a few others. Should be a deep TE draft.

That's great news! I think 2013 might be the year we see guys such as Walker and Dixon leave for potential upgrades.
Originally posted by matthewabbit:
The glaring problem that we tried to address in the offseason is still just as glaring. A.J jenkins still off the field, Manningham hasnt been much of a factor, and moss has been a nice conversation topic but not much more.( LOVING CRABTREE!!!) but i would have to give a very low grade to whomever job it was to improve the W.R.s. the fact that alex was able to do what he did last year with hastings ,swain, and crabtree really ought to be considered remarkable.

Agreed. I expected a little more from Moss and fell for the hype that he would do a lot better when Kaep took over. Unfortunately that wasn't the case. Crabtree looks a lot better this year and was tearing it up before Alex got hurt. I think we are not using the full playbook right now and it's hurting our offense, especially in the last couple of games. I also think Kaep is not getting us in the right plays to succeed most of time with audibles, you can also see confusion when they break the huddle (scary stuff and wasted time outs), and a lot of times he's unable to do any presnap reads/adjustments because the play clock is running down. If a QB is hurting you even before he snaps the ball, should he really be in there? I'd also like to add...Is he extending plays because the play breaks down or is he extending them because he didn't make the correct reads and adjustments presnap and then the play breaks down?
[ Edited by paperplanemedia on Dec 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Never throw the ball to Delanie Walker. For every good play, you get two bad ones. Dude is so overrated on this board, it is ridiculous.

Coby Fleener: 22 catches for 248 @ an 11 yard average with 1 TD.

In our offense, right out of the gate, you could probably double/triple that number (for us).


You not over that yet?

I confess that it would be nice to have him, along with others, but at what price? For that matter, I also like the second TE that the Colt's picked up. But I trust that TB knew what he was doing with the draft.

I agree though, relying on Walker in crucial times is a gamble. Sometimes he does it; other times not. He's certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. Time to get a reliable, speedy, intelligent TE with great hands. Really we don't have one on the team.

Heck no. LOL. Just felt b/c of his familiarity of this offense in particular and how heavy it leans on 2 TE sets, he would have been ideal and and could have contributed right out of the gate (unlike Jenkins); he could have been helpful for us esp. on 3rd downs and in the RZ. Can you imagine having to defend VD, Fleener, Moss, Manningham/Crabtree with Hunter/Gore/Miller in the backfield?

Plus, should VD go down, he would be a viable primary backup. Instead we have the swiss army dropsy knife and some dude name Celek and 2 DT's in the jumbo packages. LOL

he's been hurt half the season, too, so his numbers could be a lot better.
They need to adjust to the fact that the ball can come your way at anytime they dont seem used to the fact that they might be the 3rd option or double covered but the QB is gonna give you a chance now....imo
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
They need to adjust to the fact that the ball can come your way at anytime they dont seem used to the fact that they might be the 3rd option or double covered but the QB is gonna give you a chance now....imo

That's coaching...from the WR coach to the QB coaching. For instance, in post #217 I highlighted a critical play call by Roman but it also happens to demonstrate the lackluster route running by our guys AND the QB decision. IMHO, two weeks ago, CK makes that throw to Crabtree with the defender a full two yards off. In the Rams game, he launched it out of bounds incomplete and we end missing the FG by one yard. You don't think CK is now being coached "down" like Alex has been over the past 1.5 years where also, "taking a sack isn't always a bad thing?" I'm not sprouting up a QB critique here but pointing out coaching and game planning seems to have a MUCH bigger effect on actual production on the field...and maybe even lack of motivation by receivers?

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/168153-official-greg-mad-scientist-roman-express/
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 5, 2012 at 2:31 PM ]
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
They need to adjust to the fact that the ball can come your way at anytime they dont seem used to the fact that they might be the 3rd option or double covered but the QB is gonna give you a chance now....imo

Really? Most of the drops have been from the 1st reads.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
We're actually pretty awesome at dropping the ball. We're horrible at catching.

and....thread/
Colin throws the ball to hard?