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Week 13: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

I am sick of Ginn too. Get Jenkins out there. I shouldn't see Ginn on the field for offensive plays. And he's not proving ST worth either this year.
Originally posted by Schulzy:
I am sick of Ginn too. Get Jenkins out there. I shouldn't see Ginn on the field for offensive plays. And he's not proving ST worth either this year.

although Ginn just looks like he thinks its still preseason out there...I don't know why we don't use him for plays HE KNOWS....like those high school endarounds...or a reverse. If teams are going to blitz us like the Rams did...and our running game is not working...well generate some other type of rushing yardage that slows down the pass rush.

I mean we even ran those types of plays with Kaep and Jenkins in preseason, and Jenkins got us a first down.
excellent post.. i couldnt agree more with your observations..especially about roman/harbaugh's playcalling.....I accepted the offense being cautious and non explosive with alex in there because game manager was the formula for success then...but thats not the case now.. ROMAN LETS GET VERTICAL... even though the run game wasnt there today were gonna always attempt to pound the rock because thats what we do so I can live with that but we have to get VERTICAL with our passing attack....also this was the another game that I think we got out coached "the 2nd time by the rams staff" so with the redskins giving up the house for RG3, the rams are gonna be around for awhile so we had better take note... i think we will though, it is harbough's second season as well so we are witnessing all of of young talent learning and these types of games will only make us better.......
Originally posted by Marvin49:
He dropped back that far because he was being chased and he was trying to make enough room to get out of the tackle box.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I don't think those 2 are likely or realistic. Seattle is about to lose 2 of it's best players and I think the Niners will win out. Niners play the4ir best against the good teams...so not fearing the Pats.

Lets hope so. Cheers dude.
If you're going to play tough running/defensive games, a clutch kicker is paramount. Akers is clearly a liability this year. It's seriously time to consider other options. If you're going to bench Alex Smith for not having the hot hand, you have to bench Akers for poor play. I love Walker, but where did his stone hands come from? Why does this team go into the tank against the Rams? Weird.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
If you're going to play tough running/defensive games, a clutch kicker is paramount. Akers is clearly a liability this year. It's seriously time to consider other options. If you're going to bench Alex Smith for not having the hot hand, you have to bench Akers for poor play. I love Walker, but where did his stone hands come from? Why does this team go into the tank against the Rams? Weird.


Ya....3 games in a row now.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by HornedToad10:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
What was the reason that we made Kaep the starter? IF it wasn't that he gives us a better chance to win now, it was a mistake.

I don't think he did that this game.


He DOES give them a better chance....but that doesn't mean they are going to win every game. Alex would have been crushed under that rush. He wouldn't have converted half the third downs that Kaep did. I like Alex, but Kaep gives the 49ers a better chance to win. He's going to make mistakes, but he's also going to make big plays to make up for them.


You have to be realistic. THIS game, Alex would have given a better chance. Kaep was a net 3 points since he gave up 10 points to the Rams. This is a game where the 1st year starter made mistakes to cost the game. Hopefully next week he'll be better and make plays to win games we wouldn't win with Alex. Kaep is classic higher highs and lower lows style of quarterback right now....

I call BS on that one.

First off, that wasn't a safety BAD call. Kaep did the right thing. Second, while the pitch was horrible, they never even would have called that play had Alex been in the game...IE, bad play call to start. The Rams would have played Alex far differently because they wouldn't have feared the deep pass. I seriously think this game would have been worse had Alex played. The Rams almost seemed to have the offensive gameplan for most of the game.

Kaep is able to create. Alex is not.


The safety still happened regardless of being a bad call. The fumble still happened even though there was no need for it. Kaep still made the safety overly risky by retreating 6 more yards back into the end zone instead of taking the sack at the 6 or trying to avoid the rush sideways.

If you don't think they would have won with Alex then you are basically saying you don't think that offense would have been net +3 points. This is a game Alex does well; a decent team where he plays just well enough to win without any backbreaking mistakes. Unfortunately Kaep made the backbreaking mistakes. Kaep will also win games Alex wouldn't have won and we should be realistic about both scenarios.

It's not blasphemous to say the quarterback is one of the primary reasons the game was lost. It happens with playmaking quarterbacks periodically. Drew Brees is the primary reason the Saints lost the last two games. What needs to happen is Kaep needs to recover from it and be the reason we win other games we wouldn't have won with Alex. Hopefully he has great games against New England or Seattle and makes plays Alex can't or wouldn't in order to win the game.
Originally posted by HornedToad10:
The safety still happened regardless of being a bad call. The fumble still happened even though there was no need for it. Kaep still made the safety overly risky by retreating 6 more yards back into the end zone instead of taking the sack at the 6 or trying to avoid the rush sideways.

If you don't think they would have won with Alex then you are basically saying you don't think that offense would have been net +3 points. This is a game Alex does well; a decent team where he plays just well enough to win without any backbreaking mistakes. Unfortunately Kaep made the backbreaking mistakes. Kaep will also win games Alex wouldn't have won and we should be realistic about both scenarios.

It's not blasphemous to say the quarterback is one of the primary reasons the game was lost. It happens with playmaking quarterbacks periodically. Drew Brees is the primary reason the Saints lost the last two games. What needs to happen is Kaep needs to recover from it and be the reason we win other games we wouldn't have won with Alex. Hopefully he has great games against New England or Seattle and makes plays Alex can't or wouldn't in order to win the game.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
If you're going to play tough running/defensive games, a clutch kicker is paramount. Akers is clearly a liability this year. It's seriously time to consider other options. If you're going to bench Alex Smith for not having the hot hand, you have to bench Akers for poor play. I love Walker, but where did his stone hands come from? Why does this team go into the tank against the Rams? Weird.


Ya....3 games in a row now.

Divisional games are always tough. We always played the Seahawks and cardinals tough when they were good teams. Rams have a great record in the division
Could it be we just don't play well in domes.
Originally posted by HornedToad10:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by HornedToad10:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
What was the reason that we made Kaep the starter? IF it wasn't that he gives us a better chance to win now, it was a mistake.

I don't think he did that this game.


He DOES give them a better chance....but that doesn't mean they are going to win every game. Alex would have been crushed under that rush. He wouldn't have converted half the third downs that Kaep did. I like Alex, but Kaep gives the 49ers a better chance to win. He's going to make mistakes, but he's also going to make big plays to make up for them.


You have to be realistic. THIS game, Alex would have given a better chance. Kaep was a net 3 points since he gave up 10 points to the Rams. This is a game where the 1st year starter made mistakes to cost the game. Hopefully next week he'll be better and make plays to win games we wouldn't win with Alex. Kaep is classic higher highs and lower lows style of quarterback right now....

I call BS on that one.

First off, that wasn't a safety BAD call. Kaep did the right thing. Second, while the pitch was horrible, they never even would have called that play had Alex been in the game...IE, bad play call to start. The Rams would have played Alex far differently because they wouldn't have feared the deep pass. I seriously think this game would have been worse had Alex played. The Rams almost seemed to have the offensive gameplan for most of the game.

Kaep is able to create. Alex is not.


The safety still happened regardless of being a bad call. The fumble still happened even though there was no need for it. Kaep still made the safety overly risky by retreating 6 more yards back into the end zone instead of taking the sack at the 6 or trying to avoid the rush sideways.

If you don't think they would have won with Alex then you are basically saying you don't think that offense would have been net +3 points. This is a game Alex does well; a decent team where he plays just well enough to win without any backbreaking mistakes. Unfortunately Kaep made the backbreaking mistakes. Kaep will also win games Alex wouldn't have won and we should be realistic about both scenarios.

It's not blasphemous to say the quarterback is one of the primary reasons the game was lost. It happens with playmaking quarterbacks periodically. Drew Brees is the primary reason the Saints lost the last two games. What needs to happen is Kaep needs to recover from it and be the reason we win other games we wouldn't have won with Alex. Hopefully he has great games against New England or Seattle and makes plays Alex can't or wouldn't in order to win the game.


Totally not buying into that first one. He scambled farther to AVOID the sack...and he succeeded. If the refs do their job, we aren't having this conversation. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to blame Colin for a blown call. Call me crazy.

Yes, there will be times that Alex may have performed better than Colin. I like Alex, so I'm not trying to rip the guy. Realistically tho (to me anyway), Alex would have been crushed under that rush and wouldn't have converted most of those 3rd downs. Maybe Alex wouldn't have messed up the lateral and maybe he wouldn't have run out of bounds, but he also may not have been able to do ANYTHING since the Rams were able to stop the run almost completely, the Niners couldn't stop holding, and the playcalling was horrendous.

Its not like Kaep was scattershot and wasn'ty hitting his receivers. He was hitting them all over the field. Part of the problem was that ALOT of those passes were "Alex-like" passes underneath and not down the field. Alot of that was because the Rams were playing to take away the deep shot.

We will never know this for sure,
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
If you're going to play tough running/defensive games, a clutch kicker is paramount. Akers is clearly a liability this year. It's seriously time to consider other options. If you're going to bench Alex Smith for not having the hot hand, you have to bench Akers for poor play. I love Walker, but where did his stone hands come from? Why does this team go into the tank against the Rams? Weird.


Ya....3 games in a row now.

Divisional games are always tough. We always played the Seahawks and cardinals tough when they were good teams. Rams have a great record in the division

Agreed but Akers has been less than reliable this year.
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
If you're going to play tough running/defensive games, a clutch kicker is paramount. Akers is clearly a liability this year. It's seriously time to consider other options. If you're going to bench Alex Smith for not having the hot hand, you have to bench Akers for poor play. I love Walker, but where did his stone hands come from? Why does this team go into the tank against the Rams? Weird.


Ya....3 games in a row now.

Divisional games are always tough. We always played the Seahawks and cardinals tough when they were good teams. Rams have a great record in the division
they haven't lost in the division.

man they are going to be tough for years to come....they will only improve with draft picks and with Fisher as HC.

Bradford looks good sometimes...he makes accurate throws...and he made good decisions running with the ball.

At least these games will be more exciting. Kaep looked like he was able to handle Fisher's adjustments to him...and our coaching staff better as well.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
If you're going to play tough running/defensive games, a clutch kicker is paramount. Akers is clearly a liability this year. It's seriously time to consider other options. If you're going to bench Alex Smith for not having the hot hand, you have to bench Akers for poor play. I love Walker, but where did his stone hands come from? Why does this team go into the tank against the Rams? Weird.


Ya....3 games in a row now.

Divisional games are always tough. We always played the Seahawks and cardinals tough when they were good teams. Rams have a great record in the division
they haven't lost in the division.

man they are going to be tough for years to come....they will only improve with draft picks and with Fisher as HC.

Bradford looks good sometimes...he makes accurate throws...and he made good decisions running with the ball.

At least these games will be more exciting. Kaep looked like he was able to handle Fisher's adjustments to him...and our coaching staff better as well.

The coaching for the OL needs to wake up. I think those guys believe their own press to much. I still think Goodwin gets overpowered too often and if Kaep doesn't run for his life in New Orleans the Saints would've had a multi-sack game. Until this team gets serious and prepare for the Rams, it's always going to be a problem.
Thanks Marvin...I'm getting to the point I wait for this thread.

Some thoughts:

1. Kaepernick didn't play a horrible game as many on here seem to think. What I saw was frequent pressure followed with a big cushion to avoid the deep play. Kaep was being forced to make quick decisions and was largely contained when attempting to scramble. Having said this, he was able to complete at a decent rate and made some plays Alex never could have. I also like the rapport he's building with Manningham and Crabtree. I think St. Louis is building an attitude under Fischer and they are going to be a force in the near future. If Smith had started, I think we'd be staring at a 5+ sack game.

2. Marv's LMJ comment - I agree. The Rams closed the defense and were able to stuff the run effectively. We need more speed on the field...which begs the question, is LMJ really any good? The 9ers are going to play the best on game day and he can't beat out Jacobs or Dixon? For a second round pick that's disappointing.

3. Jenkins. They couldn't find one snap for him? Does he suck too?

4. Akers. I WANT to ditch him, but who do you replace him with? Two guys who are erratic and one who blew a chip shot for the Ravens? I'm hoping the law of averages works in the 49ers favor down the stretch and Akers bumps his numbers to career norms.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Dec 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM ]