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Week 13: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

What got me about this game... total deja vu from the last one. We didn't learn anything from the last one. Couldn't close out the game. Couldn't win it. Went down to the last seconds in OT
Kaep had a horrible game but I couldn't help but think that he is the reason why this darn offense if moving down the field. We couldn't budge, not with this Oline. Costly mistakes by Kaep but I do have to wonder how in the world Alex would've done. I know he wouldn't have lost the game that's for sure.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Of course not. Kaep made a youg QB mistake. He was gonna make them. There was no excuse for that play and he said so after the game.

That said, it is on the coaching staff to put their players in a position to succeed. That was a horrific call to begin with. WAY too big a risk...esspecially with a young QB.

Word. Just don't think JH needs to make the switch at this time because of that point. Fisher is a great coach and a lot of credit goes to him. Will be interesting to see how the remaining road games play out - @ Sea (great d) & @ NWE (hello belichek)
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I don't know if I'm the only one who thought this/noticed this.

but on that play to Walker in the endzone....I'm pretty good at reading people's actions to put together what they were really doing.

but I might also just be reading too much into it.

but it seemed like the main defender who was guarding Walker, only turned his attention to Walker because he was Pissed off and wanted to go after him. Walker blocked low, and the defender immediately turned around to go after him and noticed that he was running out for a pass..lol.

again that is what I initially thought I saw.
Haven't watched it again but I did see Delanie dive and then get back up. Then I seen Delanie upset and gripping about a call after he drops an easy game winning touchdown. Just tired of him.
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Great read as usual. I'd add a few points:
1. I'd definitely add that Kaep seemed to really struggle pre-snap. Not reading blitzes, frantic audibles with 2 seconds on the play clock, constantly burning time outs. We burned all our timeouts to avoid delay penalties in what was a close game throughout. Ultimately didn't have an impact, but could absolutely have cost us the game. This is another thing that took a while to sort out when AS was the QB.
2. We're built to run the ball and throw short/medium timing routes. It's the way the whole team is constructed, it's how we've played since Harbaugh became coach. It's what we've practiced every day for two years. Changing to a more downfield vertical stretch offense isn't going to be an easy process.
3. A screen or two would have been nice against their constant up-the-middle A-Gap blitzes.




This.
[ Edited by GoldandGarnet on Dec 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM ]
Originally posted by YoungWifey:
Kaep had a horrible game but I couldn't help but think that he is the reason why this darn offense if moving down the field. We couldn't budge, not with this Oline. Costly mistakes by Kaep but I do have to wonder how in the world Alex would've done. I know he wouldn't have lost the game that's for sure.


Kaep didn't play a "horrible" game. He really made just 2 mistakes.....one BIG one (lateral) and he ran out of bounds when he should have stayed in. The safety was an error in officiating.

He didn't have a great game either. He had a solid performance, but he was under seige all day, the Rams took away anything deep, and the run game was non existant for most of the game.
Originally posted by YoungWifey:
Kaep had a horrible game but I couldn't help but think that he is the reason why this darn offense if moving down the field. We couldn't budge, not with this Oline. Costly mistakes by Kaep but I do have to wonder how in the world Alex would've done. I know he wouldn't have lost the game that's for sure.

I really don't want to further any Kaep/Smith subject. But this touches on what I think is the most important basic of quarterbacking. Sometimes not making mistakes and just do enough would SECURE the team a win. It's the one quality that Smith learned from being so bad for so long with some bad teams. As the first one to handle the ball other than the center, he owes it to the team to make good decision to give them a chance. Get it out to the RB, WR, TE, any one of the playmakers with out mistakes.

Sometimes it's not about getting a win, it's about securing one.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Dec 2, 2012 at 8:15 PM ]
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:

This.
x2... roman is allergic to screens. Like I have said a 100 times he looks like a genius at times and others like Singletary is the OC.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by YoungWifey:
Kaep had a horrible game but I couldn't help but think that he is the reason why this darn offense if moving down the field. We couldn't budge, not with this Oline. Costly mistakes by Kaep but I do have to wonder how in the world Alex would've done. I know he wouldn't have lost the game that's for sure.


Kaep didn't play a "horrible" game. He really made just 2 mistakes.....one BIG one (lateral) and he ran out of bounds when he should have stayed in. The safety was an error in officiating.

He didn't have a great game either. He had a solid performance, but he was under seige all day, the Rams took away anything deep, and the run game was non existant for most of the game.

He ran 20 yards back. Not a safety I agree but why did he drop back that far? Inexperience
Originally posted by UKNiners:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Of course not. Kaep made a youg QB mistake. He was gonna make them. There was no excuse for that play and he said so after the game.

That said, it is on the coaching staff to put their players in a position to succeed. That was a horrific call to begin with. WAY too big a risk...esspecially with a young QB.

Word. Just don't think JH needs to make the switch at this time because of that point. Fisher is a great coach and a lot of credit goes to him. Will be interesting to see how the remaining road games play out - @ Sea (great d) & @ NWE (hello belichek)


I think the switch had more to do with who has a better chance to win the the playoffs. If you think it's Kaep (and Harbaugh appearantly does), then you need to give him time to play before those games start. We have to give him his chance to make mistakes because this is about January, not December.

Yes, these games are important too, but I give credit to Harbaugh for having the balls to make this kind of move.
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by YoungWifey:
Kaep had a horrible game but I couldn't help but think that he is the reason why this darn offense if moving down the field. We couldn't budge, not with this Oline. Costly mistakes by Kaep but I do have to wonder how in the world Alex would've done. I know he wouldn't have lost the game that's for sure.


Kaep didn't play a "horrible" game. He really made just 2 mistakes.....one BIG one (lateral) and he ran out of bounds when he should have stayed in. The safety was an error in officiating.

He didn't have a great game either. He had a solid performance, but he was under seige all day, the Rams took away anything deep, and the run game was non existant for most of the game.

He ran 20 yards back. Not a safety I agree but why did he drop back that far? Inexperience

He dropped back that far because he was being chased and he was trying to make enough room to get out of the tackle box.
Originally posted by socalniner:
He ran 20 yards back. Not a safety I agree but why did he drop back that far? Inexperience

he got pressure up the middle...and he did what he usually does well...get away from the pressure and throw the ball away to avoid a sack that would affect our drive. In his mind he has done it over and over and over...and he basically did on that play...but the Refs messed up.

he has confidence in his athletic ability to get away from defenders and his arm strength to get the ball back to the LOS. He did his part. Refs didn't do their part to make the right call. And the Rule book will most likely be changed next year, so you can challenge that type of play.
Was looking forward to this thread!

Playcalling was dreadful. Frustrated to see our running game shutdown like that. I wonder if Kaep could have done anything to check to a more effective play.

The pitch call in late in the game was HORRIFIC. Why put your players in that position? There is a higher probability that something wrong could happen on that type of play.

I agree with your assessment of Kaep. He made some terrible mistakes that cost us the game, but the board's reaction to them is over the top. He still did a lot of goods things. He scanned the field well, delivered the ball quick and accurately, and made plays with his feet.

Defense was stellar as always. I don't fault them for giving up the game-tying, and game-winning FG's. They did their part today. Offense and kicker did not.

11 penalties on the game hurt us big time. Especially the holding calls. Absolute drive killers.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by UKNiners:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Of course not. Kaep made a youg QB mistake. He was gonna make them. There was no excuse for that play and he said so after the game.

That said, it is on the coaching staff to put their players in a position to succeed. That was a horrific call to begin with. WAY too big a risk...esspecially with a young QB.

Word. Just don't think JH needs to make the switch at this time because of that point. Fisher is a great coach and a lot of credit goes to him. Will be interesting to see how the remaining road games play out - @ Sea (great d) & @ NWE (hello belichek)


I think the switch had more to do with who has a better chance to win the the playoffs. If you think it's Kaep (and Harbaugh appearantly does), then you need to give him time to play before those games start. We have to give him his chance to make mistakes because this is about January, not December.

Yes, these games are important too, but I give credit to Harbaugh for having the balls to make this kind of move.

I hear you. But experience is what we need come January. And let's face reality, we go 2 and 2 (likely) and Sea wins out (very realistic), we're either on the road round 1 and/or on the out looking in.

No question JH has the stones. Didn't have to bench the guy who has the 3rd best win/loss record the last year and a half to prove it.
Originally posted by UKNiners:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by UKNiners:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Of course not. Kaep made a youg QB mistake. He was gonna make them. There was no excuse for that play and he said so after the game.

That said, it is on the coaching staff to put their players in a position to succeed. That was a horrific call to begin with. WAY too big a risk...esspecially with a young QB.

Word. Just don't think JH needs to make the switch at this time because of that point. Fisher is a great coach and a lot of credit goes to him. Will be interesting to see how the remaining road games play out - @ Sea (great d) & @ NWE (hello belichek)


I think the switch had more to do with who has a better chance to win the the playoffs. If you think it's Kaep (and Harbaugh appearantly does), then you need to give him time to play before those games start. We have to give him his chance to make mistakes because this is about January, not December.

Yes, these games are important too, but I give credit to Harbaugh for having the balls to make this kind of move.

I hear you. But experience is what we need come January. And let's face reality, we go 2 and 2 (likely) and Sea wins out (very realistic), we're either on the road round 1 and/or on the out looking in.

No question JH has the stones. Didn't have to bench the guy who has the 3rd best win/loss record the last year and a half to prove it.


I don't think those 2 are likely or realistic. Seattle is about to lose 2 of it's best players and I think the Niners will win out. Niners play the4ir best against the good teams...so not fearing the Pats.
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