SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS GAMEDAY THREAD

On the clock, pretty much agree. I do think Goodwin's low snap messed with him on that int. Goodwin had like 4-5 on the day and has been doing that more and more this season. But I do agree with your positives and negatives.

delay of game penalties on opposing offenses in that stadium are not uncommon at all. So throw that out the window The INT and his near INT were all on him. The low snap contributed but he should've never thrown it. Other than that though, nothing but positives from this kid. He made plays where I KNOW Alex wouldn't have. Time to move on to the next chapter. No turning back now.

Originally posted by xela510:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Sounds like the same excuses people make for Alex.

I havent seen the 49ers get that many penalties in a long time. Alex doesnt make some of those passes and he probably wouldnt have extended the plays Kaepernick did. I like Alex a lot and think he has the right to start but Kaepernick led the team with his arm, Alex struggles a lot when we have to rely on his arm.

This...the run game was s**t for the first 3 quarters...

We've all seen what happens when the run game fails and Alex has to carry the team. Doesn't happen too often, but when ever it does, we don't win the game.

With Kaep, you have an amazing play action QB if your run game is working....and a game changer at QB when he is called upon to do things on his own.

My only concern/complaint is all the penalties we've been racking up game after game. They need to clean that up.

I am a HUGE Alex Smith supporter. That said, I want Colin Kaepernick. Simply put, he passes the eyeball test. This kid is going to be a superstar in this league!

Originally posted by TheChozen:
My only concern/complaint is all the penalties we've been racking up game after game. They need to clean that up.

yea, way too many bonehead penalties. Could've cost us the game.

Originally posted by iLL49er:
there is no reason to feel bad for alex, his career is resurrected and he's going to get paid to be a starting qb somewhere else

you could argue he will get more money elsewhere

Originally posted by TheChozen:
My only concern/complaint is all the penalties we've been racking up game after game. They need to clean that up.

Minus one penalty that didn't get called, looked like Def. PI on Rogers (who wasn't even looking back) when Brees overthrew Moore(?). I think we got lucky on that one. But yeah, kinda sloppy with all the penalties lately.

Originally posted by mcbaes72:

Originally posted by TheChozen:
My only concern/complaint is all the penalties we've been racking up game after game. They need to clean that up.

Minus one penalty that didn't get called, looked like Def. PI on Rogers (who wasn't even looking back) when Brees overthrew Moore(?). I think we got lucky on that one. But yeah, kinda sloppy with all the penalties lately.

They didn't throw it because Moore slowed down instead of running with the ball to draw contact. IDK why he did that. If he's in full stride towards the ball, he probably scores.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wow. I think people are looking at Kaepernick through some ridiculous love-goggles () and failing to judge him objectively.

His overall performance was good, but his complete body of work today did nothing to distinguish him CLEARLY above Smith as a guy who should be starting for the rest of the season.

Kaepernick is awesome, but he played the worst defense in the NFL. Let's look at the positive versus negative:

Positive:
-Speed put pressure on defense and his running was got us some first downs and a TD.
-Bigger arm allowed him to fit in some of the intermediate throws better.
-He displayed the fact that he is a right-hander that can roll left and find receivers perhaps better than any other QB in the league.

Negatives:
-He had multiple delay of game penalties
-He had an ugly fade that was nearly a 100-yard pick 6.
-He had an INT straight to a defender because he didn't use his eyes and blindly threw a pass that an experienced QB wouldn't have.

Other notes:
-We played the worst defense in the entire NFL and scored less offensive points than the opponent.

Overall, B+ game from Colin. But not enough to win me over yet.

I agree with most, and would add that Colin didn't get sacked once today where Alex would have at least 4 or 5 times. I think Colin has better pocket awarness and short area quickness to avoid sacks. I do think Alex is better at getting us into the right play at the line, espeacially runs. This is not the worst defense in the league right "now", which is when were playing them.

The positives far outweigh the negatives.

Multiple delay of game penalties was expected regardless of QB. It's a very loud dome. Fade was ugly, could have been picked. That's easily correctible, just needs experience. The INT happened in part because of a low snap . He had to look down to pick up the ball, and didn't see the DB squatting on the route when he looked back up.

Now for the positives. He threw numerous strikes downfield. He was effective on 3rd down. He showed tremendous pocket presence. He used his athleticism to avoid numerous would-be sacks. He progresses through his reads and looks like a natural in the pocket. He showed very good understanding of the offense and appears to make the proper checks at the line.

The guy is a natural born playmaker. If the organization truly views him as the QB of the future, he should be the starter going forward. He is ready to play right now, so why wait? All the talk that it would take him 3 years to develop has been proven to be false.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wow. I think people are looking at Kaepernick through some ridiculous love-goggles () and failing to judge him objectively.

His overall performance was good, but his complete body of work today did nothing to distinguish him CLEARLY above Smith as a guy who should be starting for the rest of the season.

Kaepernick is awesome, but he played the worst defense in the NFL. Let's look at the positive versus negative:

Positive:
-Speed put pressure on defense and his running was got us some first downs and a TD.
-Bigger arm allowed him to fit in some of the intermediate throws better.
-He displayed the fact that he is a right-hander that can roll left and find receivers perhaps better than any other QB in the league.

Negatives:
-He had multiple delay of game penalties
-He had an ugly fade that was nearly a 100-yard pick 6.
-He had an INT straight to a defender because he didn't use his eyes and blindly threw a pass that an experienced QB wouldn't have.

Other notes:
-We played the worst defense in the entire NFL and scored less offensive points than the opponent.

Overall, B+ game from Colin. But not enough to win me over yet.

I agree with most, and would add that Colin didn't get sacked once today where Alex would have at least 4 or 5 times. I think Colin has better pocket awarness and short area quickness to avoid sacks. I do think Alex is better at getting us into the right play at the line, espeacially runs. This is not the worst defense in the league right "now", which is when were playing them.

Yeah the Saints defense is notthe "worst in the entire NFL"..They played well at home with thier crowd. held Gore under 100 yds, and sent a lot of blitzes at CK.

Try to imagine if Alex had played in this game. He would have been sacked 2-3 times at least, had more than a couple delay of games, maybe threw an INT. But I know he would have not converted alot of those 3rd and Long's as a result of all the penalties. And he definatley would not have outplayed Drew Brees at home. Kaepernick did, He lead drives for touchdowns, spread the ball around, got first downs and a touchdown with his legs, called audibles in the crowd noise, and made good throws all over the field. And it was his first start on the road in a hostile environment against a good team.

I feel for Alex...but Kaep is makes plays that Alex simply cant and it makes a big difference in the way the offense looks. I say it again...Alex Smith is our Drew Bledsoe. Unfortunatley for him, he had a badly timed injury and now the younger guy has stepped up and opened our eyes to what the offense can be. What if Kaep is our Tom Brady of 2001...Who do you go with Coach????

yea, i felt bad for Alex. In one shot, his eyes looked all watery as we secured the win. Gotta feel for the dude. He's been through so much with this team. It's like your Highschool sweet heart sucking off your best friend right in front of you.

I'll say two things:

On Kaep's INT I place the blame on Goodwin. But I don't think Smith throws that pick.

Two, Smith doesn't make that throw (or even attempt that throw in all likelihood) to Walker for that big 25 yarder on 3rd down. And Kaep's elusiveness to avoid the rush really stands out too.

Overall, he played well. I really feel for Alex because he has played like a great QB this year, but good for Kaep for playing well too.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
The positives far outweigh the negatives.

Multiple delay of game penalties was expected regardless of QB. It's a very loud dome. Fade was ugly, could have been picked. That's easily correctible, just needs experience. The INT happened in part because of a low snap . He had to look down to pick up the ball, and didn't see the DB squatting on the route when he looked back up.

Now for the positives. He threw numerous strikes downfield. He was effective on 3rd down. He showed tremendous pocket presence. He used his athleticism to avoid numerous would-be sacks. He progresses through his reads and looks like a natural in the pocket. He showed very good understanding of the offense and appears to make the proper checks at the line.

The guy is a natural born playmaker. If the organization truly views him as the QB of the future, he should be the starter going forward. He is ready to play right now, so why wait? All the talk that it would take him 3 years to develop has been proven to be false.

Not sure it was intended to be a fade. I suspect that it was intended to be a back shoulder pass to the goal line pylon, not a fade towards the back pylon.

Nice to see that the LBs showed they can be the next Dome Patrol and did it in NO. As of now, I would give a little bit of nod in pass rushing to Jackson and Swilling over Brooks and Smith, but our run D is better. It will be nice to see Aldon grow over the years. Hopefully with Bowman.