quarterback controversy

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by cciowa:
not much more can be added,, good job. the key is 5-2 and in first place . you just do not do this

Pretty much...but it won't stop a certain group of people from wishing...and I suppose it is their right to do so.

When your defense is #1

Running game is #2


and passing game is #29

Its definitely something that we have to consider. The passing game (QB) is clearly the weakest link on this team.

Solid post

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by cciowa:
not much more can be added,, good job. the key is 5-2 and in first place . you just do not do this

Pretty much...but it won't stop a certain group of people from wishing...and I suppose it is their right to do so.

When your defense is #1

Running game is #2


and passing game is #29

Its definitely something that we have to consider. The passing game (QB) is clearly the weakest link on this team.

Solid post

Post of the mathaf*ckin year. Kaep will solve this.

#29?

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by cciowa:
not much more can be added,, good job. the key is 5-2 and in first place . you just do not do this

Pretty much...but it won't stop a certain group of people from wishing...and I suppose it is their right to do so.

When your defense is #1

Running game is #2


and passing game is #29

Its definitely something that we have to consider. The passing game (QB) is clearly the weakest link on this team.

By what measurement? Yards? Total yards mean little. If you want to compare something statistically relevant you should probably look at QBR or YPA... by those stats our passing game is at worst above average.

If your running game is that good, and your defense is that good, please explain to me why you think we need to pass more...from a strategic standpoint..regardless of your opinion of Alex getting the job done.

What little we have seen of Colin has not convinced me that he could do better...more over, I think Harbaugh has done enough to show that if he hasn't made the switch, it probably isn't a good idea.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by HoneyBadger49er:
If anyone here is serious about replacing the QB when we're in 1st place in our division, won 5 out of 7 games so far then it is my (possibly warnable) opinion that you just might be a f**king idiot.


Jim Harbaugh drafted Colin Kaepernick to be his QB, and he will be the QB when Jim Harbaugh think's he is good and ready, until then, Alex Smith is our BEST option at QB, I don't give a s**t what anyone says, you just don't replace the QB when you're 5-2 and in 1st place coming off a 13-3 season.

This is just beyond ridiculous now, it's like some of ya'll are just sitting there waiting for him to fail, which in return will cause the team to fail in mid season, seriously, sports writers have warped some of your brains, it's getting borderline pathetic

It's just a natural reaction, Honey. The Kap supporters want Kap in and when they smell blood in the water their going to pounce.

I'm not Pro Alex or Anti Kap, I'm Pro WINNING football games, and I know it's hard for people to grasp this notion, but winning football games is something we've been doing a lot of for the past year and a half and I don't expect it to stop any time soon

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by cciowa:
not much more can be added,, good job. the key is 5-2 and in first place . you just do not do this

Pretty much...but it won't stop a certain group of people from wishing...and I suppose it is their right to do so.

When your defense is #1

Running game is #2


and passing game is #29

Its definitely something that we have to consider. The passing game (QB) is clearly the weakest link on this team.

By what measurement? Yards? Total yards mean little. If you want to compare something statistically relevant you should probably look at QBR or YPA... by those stats our passing game is at worst above average.

If your running game is that good, and your defense is that good, please explain to me why you think we need to pass more...from a strategic standpoint..regardless of your opinion of Alex getting the job done.

What little we have seen of Colin has not convinced me that he could do better...more over, I think Harbaugh has done enough to show that if he hasn't made the switch, it probably isn't a good idea.

no team with passing game ranked that low will win a super bowl. Just look at the teams we have around us.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:

#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

Damn glad you're not the coach of this team.

Really.

- 98

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
no team with passing game ranked that low will win a super bowl. Just look at the teams we have around us.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Exactly. If we put in Kaep, our total yards passing would move up to at least number 25 in the league. And we would probably be 6-1. We're screwed.

^^ so you think you know moer about Kaep and Alex than Harbaugh? Because he's made it pretty obvious who he thinks is better at this time.

I think it is time for a reminder about coaching staffs and their duties:

First of all, the Offensive Coordinator is almost always the equivalent of the Chairman of the Board of Directors in most companies. He makes the big decisions, sets the direction, then relies on his underlings to carry out the specifics. The case is much the same in football. Other than in parts of the OTAs and TC, the OC is working with the position coaches so much of the time that there is little time to work with individuals on technique. Consequently, it is not accurate to say "Mike McCarthy did this, and Norv Turner has done that, etc..." The truth is, the 49ers were such a talentless, rudderless ship under McCarthy that there was little time to work with Smith, and it showed. Nolan looked at the offense as a necessary evil. Turner was a bit better and that example is telling. In just a short period of time, AS became a more effective player though not a great deal of technical improvement occurred. Part of that was scheme and part was the fact Norv did spend some time with Alex working on the fundamentals he had never been taught before. Martz is a schemer, not a technician. The rest of the OCs are forgettable.

Secondly, the most important person in terms of teaching technique to a QB is the QB coach, NOT THE OC. Here is where the real crime of Nolan/Singletary lie. At no time during those years did the 49ers have a QB coach who had actually played the position at any level since HS. Cincy was the only other team during those first 6 years that did not have a QB coach that had never played the position. I don't care how much football a guy has seen or played, if you haven't played the position, and understand the complexity of it and how the position needs to be viewed, you CANNOT coach the position effectively. It was AT THIS LEVEL that the 49ers did the greatest disservice to Alex Smith. Not until Mike Johnson arrived did Smith have an every-day tutor that had actually played the position and could teach it. It is IMPORTANT to note that Smith's turnaround started under Johnson. He improved in both technique and efficiency, though the technical improvements were not huge. All of which goes to show how important the position coach is to the individual player as opposed to just the OC.

Now Smith, and the 49ers, have something they have not had at any time during the Smith era; an offensive minded HC that has also played the position and hired position coaches with an established reputation of success in teaching technique as well as game plan. The result has been the best QB play since Jeff Garcia.

It is also important to recognize the efforts of the off-season in which the FO brought in 3 WRs via signings and the draft, and also drafted an explosive RB, which clearly show that the staff recognized a need to improve the receiving end of the passing game. Whether Peyton Manning had been signed or not, the FO had fully recognized that the WR corps was sorely lacking and new blood needed to be brought in. I'll leave the WR picture at this point as that topic has been well-covered in another thread. Suffice it to say, the 49er receivers are nothing special.

So before we go all crazy about switching QBs in the middle of a winning season, look at the bigger picture and realize that a QB switch at this point in the year would be ludicrous.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
^^ so you think you know moer about Kaep and Alex than Harbaugh? Because he's made it pretty obvious who he thinks is better at this time.

I dont say I know more about anything, its just stuff we are discussing on an internet forum.

Originally posted by kidash98:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

Damn glad you're not the coach of this team.

Really.

- 98

Did you see that one pass Kaep made? Granted Manningham was wide open and it was behind him, but wow. Based on that one pass, he should be playing. I think he is ready. And he is fast.

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:

When your defense is #1

Running game is #2


and passing game is #29

Its definitely something that we have to consider. The passing game (QB) is clearly the weakest link on this team.

In my fantasy football league, the defense is ranked #12, not #1.

That's the grading scale we use to rate players around here right?

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.