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Where the hell are James and Jenkins

Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The fact that people debate that Manningham is not a burner is quite laughable and makes the WZ sad....

That highlight of video of Ham was 90% deep passes!!!

He isn't a burner. 4.59 is not raw speed.

he looks pretty fast to me

proves he is slow
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
My Problem...

Hunter played last year and was taken a round later then James. So we were able to trust a 3rd rounder but not a 2nd rounder...and all the while our FA RB was hurt and not active. Even worse we trusted a late round OLB to start at FB and play the whole damn season.

I think the point that jeff22 is making is that we drafted a guy last year to play the role of a change of pace back, and then we double down on the position this year with a high draftee. On draft day, I was unhappy with the pick because it simply did not make sense to me. We already have a quick, shifty, backup RB in Hunter, who looked good last year.)

To me, if you are going to draft a RB early in the draft, they better be able to beat out at least the second stringer as the primary backup, or have them as a core special team returner. Right now, he is a fourth stringer, at best, and does not offer special team value.

It's very possible that JH thinks he's a legit talent and Gore will be gone next year as Jacobs likely will be as well. James and Hunter will be our one two punch. I think we went into this draft confident with the guys that got us to the NFCCG, so we picked BPA with our sights on the future. Doesn't sound that crazy to me.

One two punch....assuming he will be a starter (or serious rotational player) when he cant climb above Dixon is a mighty stretch bro
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
maybe kap, james, & jenkins are part of the rebuilding/retooling process a year from now?

But what about Alex....



who was the quarterback we had before montana took over?

no fkn way
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The fact that people debate that Manningham is not a burner is quite laughable and makes the WZ sad....

That highlight of video of Ham was 90% deep passes!!!

He isn't a burner. 4.59 is not raw speed.

he looks pretty fast to me

proves he is slow

you must be watching a different game because he easily our fastest WR out there.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The fact that people debate that Manningham is not a burner is quite laughable and makes the WZ sad....

That highlight of video of Ham was 90% deep passes!!!

He isn't a burner. 4.59 is not raw speed.

he looks pretty fast to me

proves he is slow

you must be watching a different game because he easily our fastest WR out there.

lol, I was making fun of you

I think he is very quick and sudden.

I dont think he has the long range speed like Ginn has shown or we hope Jenkins can display. So far he has looked better than Moss which I am surprised about and would peg him the 2nd best guy on the field behind Crabs at the moment (at WR).
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The fact that people debate that Manningham is not a burner is quite laughable and makes the WZ sad....

That highlight of video of Ham was 90% deep passes!!!

He isn't a burner. 4.59 is not raw speed.

he looks pretty fast to me

proves he is slow

you must be watching a different game because he easily our fastest WR out there.

lol, I was making fun of you

I think he is very quick and sudden.

I dont think he has the long range speed like Ginn has shown or we hope Jenkins can display. So far he has looked better than Moss which I am surprised about and would peg him the 2nd best guy on the field behind Crabs at the moment (at WR).

Lol its all good.
Originally posted by cciowa:
exactly what the hell has dixon done to deserve a paycheck so far this year?

he needs a coach that actually knows the position....
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by cciowa:
exactly what the hell has dixon done to deserve a paycheck so far this year?

he needs a coach that actually knows the position....

??
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Originally posted by Allx9er:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by cciowa:
exactly what the hell has dixon done to deserve a paycheck so far this year?

he needs a coach that actually knows the position....

??
that one confused me to. to me, dixon has no position
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Allx9er:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by cciowa:
exactly what the hell has dixon done to deserve a paycheck so far this year?

he needs a coach that actually knows the position....

??
that one confused me to. to me, dixon has no position

Besides ST not really
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Fans should be more concerned about James than Jenkins. While WR's take some time to develop, rookie RB's can make a big impact right away, whether in a starting role, change of pace back, third round specialist, or special teamer. Since their shelf life is smaller than a WR, the clock is ticking on these guys. Not a good sign that the team has not found a place for him so far....but, it is early in the game. Everyone should know by now my dislike of the selection, seeing a similar player like Chris Rainey selected 4 rounds later at better value....but once again, too early to be upset.


So here are my "Jamescuses". I think they are legitimate.

He didn't light up the preseason like we have seen in the past with other RB draft picks.
He also looked really bad at fielding punts, which further hurt his reputation.

However, I think the above two points are the only reasonable knocks against him. Because...
He is not going to beat out Gore.
He is not going to beat out Hunter. Hunter is an excellent running back, and almost all fans agree with that. He is coming into his second season with experience and it would have been super difficult for ANY rookie RB in this year's draft to take his place; except for perhaps some of the first round picks.
He is not going to beat out Jacobs. Jacobs role on the team is to be a super huge short yardage steam roller. LMJ does not fit that description, no matter how good he is.
He is not going to beat out Dixon. Dixon is a great special teams player, he has the ideal blend of size and speed for special teams. LMJ is too small for special teams, and he is not going to take on blockers, or be a blocker, on special teams.

The only player he could have reasonably replaced is Hunter, and Hunter is just too darn good and experienced to get replaced by a scat back like LMJ. I think he is just as legitimately a victim of the numbers game as Jenkins.
I agree that you want to see instant impact with a running back, but with James, it is either Hunter or nothing. Similar to Jenkins, where I think it is either Manningham or nothing.

We have too many good players on the team right now. That is the biggest problem with these guys seeing the field. I thought LMJ would make a bigger impact at this point. But he's not a fit with special teams, so what can we do? Maybe when Jacobs comes back, we could pull Hunter for a game, and mix it up with LMJ. I would love to see him on the field at some point.

You make great points....so why did they draft him? I THOUGHT the 49ers were looking for playmakers to get on the field and help spread out the defence a bit. Obviously he hasn't been good enough to warrant being on the field and that is worrisome when you consider his draft position.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Sep 27, 2012 at 9:12 PM ]
Baalke should have known these guys would not contribute. He should have traded our entire draft for higher picks next year. At least fleener would have made walker expendable next year. Now we have to draft a TE next year as well as draft new dlineman.
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
who was the quarterback we had before montana took over?

Steve DeBerg
It astonishes me that people are this impatient and ill informed. It takes 3 - 4 years to know what you have. I personally don't like the LMJ pick. But I think Jenkins will do well. He has a lot of veterans ahead of him and he is a rookie. He's not going to play right now. But at the end of preseason at least he showed speed and good hands and good route running. I'm sure if he has 1 drop people will throw a hissy fit. They will over analyze every little thing he does because they have already labeled him a bust. So they will try to make it a self fullfilling prophesy.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It astonishes me that people are this impatient and ill informed. It takes 3 - 4 years to know what you have. I personally don't like the LMJ pick. But I think Jenkins will do well. He has a lot of veterans ahead of him and he is a rookie. He's not going to play right now. But at the end of preseason at least he showed speed and good hands and good route running. I'm sure if he has 1 drop people will throw a hissy fit. They will over analyze every little thing he does because they have already labeled him a bust. So they will try to make it a self fullfilling prophesy.

nah...

Its like getting Christmas presents you cant play with. Only way he proves he was a waste is to play like a bust...cant judge him yet. We could have an all pro on the bench for all we know...just want to see how he does in PT.