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Can Randy Moss & Alex Smith pull this off.....

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Aaron Rogers has the worst o-line in the league, and still managers to be the #1 player in the NFL as voted by his peers.

A vet QB that learned for years and played for more years under the same scheme with much of the same personnel... yeah, I think I can safely say that this vet QB can overcome more than other QBs. Established QBs with years of solid structure can handle more than other QBs that have had their learning stunted and flailing for years in organizational misery. If Alex progresses over the next 2-3 years, he too would be able to handle a more terrible OL... but through the development years, we need that competent OL and receiver play to get him to that level.

even a vet can look average with a bad O-Line (ex Tom Brady)

Rodgers is a great athletic QB who can deliver the ball quick

Some QBs can do it some can't
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Aaron Rodgers Disagree's with Alex being a game manager, you don't throw for that many times he said and just manage the game, he's just a real smart guy who doesn't make costly int's! . I'll take a guy that plays the spot, rather than the arm chair qb!

Aaron is 1 Alex's friend 2 not allowed to bad mouth another qb (please refer to Alex's comment to see how that works out) and 3 trying to avoid giving the 9ers locker room material.


At least that's the counter to the comment.

Agree but I also think Aaron respects him because he's watched alex his whole career. You know rodgers thanks god for not getting that oline for 7 years and get the crap knocked out of him. I think Alex with protection can move the ball, and when the games on the line he seems to make those his most important throws.

I think Rogers thanks god that he was able to sit behind one of the all time greats and perfect his craft instead of being thrown to the wolves.


Originally posted by BrianGO:
Aaron Rogers has the worst o-line in the league, and still managers to be the #1 player in the NFL as voted by his peers.

What do you base this on?
[ Edited by Jakemall on Sep 7, 2012 at 3:48 PM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
even a vet can look average with a bad O-Line (ex Tom Brady)

Rodgers is a great athletic QB who can deliver the ball quick

Some QBs can do it some can't

More lazy thinking here. Rodgers has had the SAME system with mostly the same players. Meaning? He doesn't have to think.. it's 2nd nature by now.

Some can and some can't just doesn't cut it. When you have the natural skills, you can do the job, but not all QBs get the silver-spoon treatment that Rodgers received.
Originally posted by Jakemall:

Quote:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Aaron Rogers has the worst o-line in the league, and still managers to be the #1 player in the NFL as voted by his peers.

What do you base this on?

The fact that Aaron Rogers was the number 1 most sacked QB in the league last year...


oh wait...
Originally posted by Jakemall:
I think Rogers thanks god that he was able to sit behind one of the all time greats and perfect his craft instead of being thrown to the wolves.


Originally posted by BrianGO:
Aaron Rogers has the worst o-line in the league, and still managers to be the #1 player in the NFL as voted by his peers.

What do you base this on?


"Newhouse graded out as the worst tackle overall (-31.1) in our ratings for 2011. He also compiled the second-worst Pass Blocking Efficiency rating (92.2) among all tackles." https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/07/3tfo-49ers-packers-week-1/
That's their starting left tackle.

A few years ago, they led the league in sacks given up, 51. That was when Rogers was a good but not yet great player.
Now that they have the best QB in the league, their line still ranks in the bottom 3rd of the league in terms of adjusted sack rating. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2011
It is almost unheard of to be ranked that low with an All-Pro quarterback.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
I think Rogers thanks god that he was able to sit behind one of the all time greats and perfect his craft instead of being thrown to the wolves.


Originally posted by BrianGO:
Aaron Rogers has the worst o-line in the league, and still managers to be the #1 player in the NFL as voted by his peers.

What do you base this on?


"Newhouse graded out as the worst tackle overall (-31.1) in our ratings for 2011. He also compiled the second-worst Pass Blocking Efficiency rating (92.2) among all tackles." https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/07/3tfo-49ers-packers-week-1/
That's their starting left tackle.

A few years ago, they led the league in sacks given up, 51. That was when Rogers was a good but not yet great player.
Now that they have the best QB in the league, their line still ranks in the bottom 3rd of the league in terms of adjusted sack rating. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2011
It is almost unheard of to be ranked that low with an All-Pro quarterback.

You can quote them facts all day, they will still find a way to deny it.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
even a vet can look average with a bad O-Line (ex Tom Brady)

Rodgers is a great athletic QB who can deliver the ball quick

Some QBs can do it some can't

More lazy thinking here. Rodgers has had the SAME system with mostly the same players. Meaning? He doesn't have to think.. it's 2nd nature by now.

Some can and some can't just doesn't cut it. When you have the natural skills, you can do the job, but not all QBs get the silver-spoon treatment that Rodgers received.

So your philosophy is that no QB can just get it ...and has to be a product of the system for a few years?

Even Alex said it himself that he isn't that type of QB (latest Article)
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Sep 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM ]
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
More lazy thinking here. Rodgers has had the SAME system with mostly the same players. Meaning? He doesn't have to think.. it's 2nd nature by now.

Some can and some can't just doesn't cut it. When you have the natural skills, you can do the job, but not all QBs get the silver-spoon treatment that Rodgers received.

But he was pretty damn good the first year he started...



4,000 yards, 28tds, 13 ints 63.6%completion, 7.5+ ypa
[ Edited by kush on Sep 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM ]
You guys have such short term memories.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b8f4d8/Smith-hits-Davis-for-53-yard-gain

SIGH...
Originally posted by NickSh49:
You guys have such short term memories.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b8f4d8/Smith-hits-Davis-for-53-yard-gain

SIGH...

oh yeah..we scored a FG on that one
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
You guys have such short term memories.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b8f4d8/Smith-hits-Davis-for-53-yard-gain

SIGH...

oh yeah..we scored a FG on that one

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010102406/2010/REG7/49ers@panthers#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

1-10-SF 46(11:23) 11-A.Smith pass deep middle to 85-V.Davis to CAR 1 for 53 yards (30-C.Godfrey).

1-1-CAR 1(10:31) 11-A.Smith pass short left to 85-V.Davis for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
You guys have such short term memories.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b8f4d8/Smith-hits-Davis-for-53-yard-gain

SIGH...

oh yeah..we scored a FG on that one

"Alex Smith hits Vernon Davis for a 53-yard gain in the first quarter to set up a 49ers touchdown."
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
You guys have such short term memories.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b8f4d8/Smith-hits-Davis-for-53-yard-gain

SIGH...

oh yeah..we scored a FG on that one

"Alex Smith hits Vernon Davis for a 53-yard gain in the first quarter to set up a 49ers touchdown."

.. but it was an important distinction to note we only netted 3 points from it.
Edit: SF's line is rated below GB in both run blocking and pass blocking according to these stats. So how does that prove your point? And that is less important than WR capability and time in scheme for a QB...both of which are weighted heavily in GBs favor.

Not saying Smith is as good as Rodgers! Just saying that Smith may be a lot closer to to Rodgers than many would believe.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Sep 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Edit: SF's line is rated below GB in both run blocking and pass blocking according to these stats. So how does that prove your point?

And again, why are we comparing Alex Smith and a first year offense to a WELL-established Aaron Rodgers-lead WCO when we haven't even STARTED year 2 of 3 (bare minimum for installation). That would be like comparing a first year rookie with potential to Michael Jordan in his prime!