Step 1 for a new NFL coach: Lock yourself in a film room and study every catch, cut, backpedal and buttonhook by each player you've inherited.
That's what Jim Harbaugh and his offensive staff did immediately after taking over the 49ers in January 2011. His counterpart on defense, however, played it cool. Vic Fangio wanted a close-up look at his new pupils that was unclouded by the defense their previous coaches had them playing. He wanted to take his time in picking out the top 11. And only when he had that group in mind would he settle on a scheme that suited them.
A case in point: When the rickety Candlestick Park elevator broke down during the 49ers' Aug. 10 exhibition game against Minnesota, Fangio didn't rush down flights of stairs (and back up again) to the locker room at halftime like his gasping and sweaty offensive counterparts. He stayed put.
"I had a hot dog," he said. "I've had better."
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Niners to sign Clark Haggans
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:23 PM
- qnnhan7
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Calm down...sheesh... Vic knows what he's doing. He got this.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM
- susweel
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maybe they should think about bringing back that llama guy.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:31 PM
- Wodwo
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Originally posted by susweel:
Yah I hear ya, hopefully it works out well but I still think they sign some other dude.
It's only Monday.
Plenty of time to make roster moves.
I'm not happy about the situation, but I fail to see how Baalke is responsible.
We had plenty of OLBs to start the preseason. Unfortunately, every single one of them got injured.
I'm not going to judge the decision to sign Haggans until I know more about his situation. Every report so far says he'll be able to play against Green Bay.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM
- susweel
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Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
Yah I hear ya, hopefully it works out well but I still think they sign some other dude.
It's only Monday.
Plenty of time to make roster moves.
I'm not happy about the situation, but I fail to see how Baalke is responsible.
We had plenty of OLBs to start the preseason. Unfortunately, every single one of them got injured.
I'm not going to judge the decision to sign Haggans until I know more about his situation. Every report so far says he'll be able to play against Green Bay.
Depending on a 5th and 7th pick for depth is insane. He should have brought in another vet or or used a higher pick on a OLB, probably shouldn't have take LMJ in the second round (although I liked the pick at the time) he should have used that pick on a OLB.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM
- BrianGO
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
Yah I hear ya, hopefully it works out well but I still think they sign some other dude.
It's only Monday.
Plenty of time to make roster moves.
I'm not happy about the situation, but I fail to see how Baalke is responsible.
We had plenty of OLBs to start the preseason. Unfortunately, every single one of them got injured.
I'm not going to judge the decision to sign Haggans until I know more about his situation. Every report so far says he'll be able to play against Green Bay.
Depending on a 5th and 7th pick for depth is insane. He should have brought in another vet or or used a higher pick on a OLB, probably shouldn't have take LMJ in the second round (although I liked the pick at the time) he should have used that pick on a OLB.
If either Fleming or Johnson didn't get injured, there wouldn't be any complaining. Either of those guys would have filled in nicely. And we still have a chance to get Cam up to speed during the season.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Sep 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM ]
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM
- taney71
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Originally posted by BrianGO:If either Fleming or Johnson didn't get injured, there wouldn't be any complaining. Either of those guys would have filled in nicely. And we still have a chance to get Cam up to speed during the season.
I think this might be right and I am hoping Cam does work himself into the OLB picture this season. We need him to.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM
- teeohh
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If he's suspended we get a roster exemption. I read it on the twitter
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM
- susweel
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Originally posted by toeshawn:
If he's suspended we get a roster exemption. I read it on the twitter
yah we get to use it as a write-off on our taxes also.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM
- Gore_21
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No way he should be suspended if that's the case. If Britt gets 1 game for his 8th arrest in a few years.
Anyways, they just approved the new IR rule where 1 player can come back off IR. It was along with the trade deadline going back from week 6 to 8. Wondering if you can bring the player back any time and if this is what we have up our sleeve.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/08/30/players-union-approves-changes-to-nfls-injured-reserve-rule-trade-deadline/
Anyways, they just approved the new IR rule where 1 player can come back off IR. It was along with the trade deadline going back from week 6 to 8. Wondering if you can bring the player back any time and if this is what we have up our sleeve.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/08/30/players-union-approves-changes-to-nfls-injured-reserve-rule-trade-deadline/
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM
- Wodwo
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Originally posted by susweel:
Depending on a 5th and 7th pick for depth is insane. He should have brought in another vet or or used a higher pick on a OLB, probably shouldn't have take LMJ in the second round (although I liked the pick at the time) he should have used that pick on a OLB.
No... no it isn't. Parys Haralson was a fifth round pick.
Injuries were the problem, not draft position, not any failure to bring in enough depth.
We had plenty of OLBs. You really think we needed more than five?
Second guessing roster decisions because every player at a position got injured is silly.
Sep 3, 2012 at 2:58 PM
- susweel
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Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
Depending on a 5th and 7th pick for depth is insane. He should have brought in another vet or or used a higher pick on a OLB, probably shouldn't have take LMJ in the second round (although I liked the pick at the time) he should have used that pick on a OLB.
No... no it isn't. Parys Haralson was a fifth round pick.
Injuries were the problem, not draft position, not any failure to bring in enough depth.
We had plenty of OLBs. You really think we needed more than five?
Second guessing roster decisions because every player at a position got injured is silly.
There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.
Sep 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM
- BrianGO
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
Depending on a 5th and 7th pick for depth is insane. He should have brought in another vet or or used a higher pick on a OLB, probably shouldn't have take LMJ in the second round (although I liked the pick at the time) he should have used that pick on a OLB.
No... no it isn't. Parys Haralson was a fifth round pick.
Injuries were the problem, not draft position, not any failure to bring in enough depth.
We had plenty of OLBs. You really think we needed more than five?
Second guessing roster decisions because every player at a position got injured is silly.
There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.
The problem is, with a talented roster, you can't afford to have good veteran depth at every position. You have to depend on the draft for depth at a lot of positions. You can't afford to pay every backup 1+ million. You can sign draft picks for less than half of that.
Sep 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM
- Wodwo
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Originally posted by susweel:
There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.
Why? There would be no guarantee that the vet would be better. There would be no guarantee that the vet would stay healthy.
Anyway, Haralson was the vet. He got injured. s**t happens.
Now we're signing Haggans. We'll see how that turns out.
We'll also see if more roster moves are made.
It's still hindsight bias to question those roster decisions.
Sep 3, 2012 at 3:09 PM
- BrianGO
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Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.
Why? There would be no guarantee that the vet would be better. There would be no guarantee that the vet would stay healthy.
Anyway, Haralson was the vet. He got injured. s**t happens.
Now we're signing Haggans. We'll see how that turns out.
We'll also see if more roster moves are made.
It's still hindsight bias to question those roster decisions.
The only position where we F'd up IMO, is OT. Can you imagine if we had the same situation at OT right now? People would be throwing a s**tstorm. We stupidly lost Mike Person to a 53, so we could keep McBath safe from the waiver wire. So what's more important, a 5th safety, or a dedicated backup OT? I don't get it.
Sep 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM
- Wodwo
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
The only position where we F'd up IMO, is OT. Can you imagine if we had the same situation at OT right now? People would be throwing a s**tstorm. We stupidly lost Mike Person to a 53, so we could keep McBath safe from the waiver wire. So what's more important, a 5th safety, or a dedicated backup OT? I don't get it.
Eh, what's more important, a tackle that would be inactive on gameday or a safety that can play special teams?
Active linemen:
Staley, Iupati, Goodwin, Boone, A.Davis, Kilgore, L.Davis
It's rare to have more than seven active linemen.
Now, if we have a bunch of injuries, that would suck. You just can't plan your roster worrying about it, though.