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Another thing on jenkins being active, he hasn't proven he is better than Ginn or even Williams to be over them. And Tukuafu brings more than Jenkins. He can play in backfield, and key DE reserve.

Also James, no room for him to be active, when I thought Rock would make team, I usually had James inactive, he has no defined role yet, and needs practice to get better. He isn't ready as a Returner, I wouldn't trust him back there, he looks nervous to me back there.
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
wish the dumb NFL would just make all 53 players active

agreed
Originally posted by SFrush:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
wish the dumb NFL would just make all 53 players active

agreed

No, that would make too much sense.
Originally posted by Born49R:
Simple, Johnson is the better athlete, Tolzien the better QB.

Tolzien only looked like the better qb (AT TIMES) against 3rd/4th string players. We've yet to see if he can actually hold his own and command an offense down the field consistently for TDs against first string defenses in real games. Constrastly, JJ was the second most experienced qb on the roster and has faced 1st string defenses in real games almost 30 times in his 3 years in the league so I think it was potentially a mistake getting rid of him. JJ was generally familiar with JH's scheme but not with the nuances of Roman's offense which put him at a signifcant disadvantage as he had very little time to play catch up to the other qbs.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Another thing on jenkins being active, he hasn't proven he is better than Ginn or even Williams to be over them. And Tukuafu brings more than Jenkins. He can play in backfield, and key DE reserve.

Also James, no room for him to be active, when I thought Rock would make team, I usually had James inactive, he has no defined role yet, and needs practice to get better. He isn't ready as a Returner, I wouldn't trust him back there, he looks nervous to me back there.

James looked nervous as all get out on kick offs.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I know some will take this the wrong way, let alone to the extreme...but

Poor Josh Johnson...he really got played. I mean some must question Harbaugh's credibility when it comes to earning your role on a team.

I have liked Tolzien since we first got him...and I still do....but I don't know how I'd look Josh in the eyes as if something wrong didn't happen.

If making the team was based off training camp and preseason, it seems Josh would've got the nod. I wonder what is going through his head. It must've been a long shot for him to make the team since he got here.

well at least he is leaving here a better QB, imo...he looked good out there in his final appearance.

So you've been to each practice during training camp to make this assessment? All you do is read articles and watch preseason games and you now feel you have the right to question harbaugh? Come on man.
haha so I'm wrong to question Harbaugh? When almost everyone here was questioning him regarding his praise for Colin and how Colin was ahead of Tolzien. But I'm wrong to question a decision?

but yes, I went based off articles about training camp and OTAs like everyone else...everyone else would follow each practice eager to see who did well and who didn't..everything was discussed and analyzed and argued...but no, I'm wrong for doing the same thing?

so based off what I've read from training camp it seemed close between the two heading into the preseason, and watching these preseason games Johnson looked better.

No you were wrong to call Harbaugh's credibility and integrity into question with no credible facts. Thats where you went wrong.
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Another thing on jenkins being active, he hasn't proven he is better than Ginn or even Williams to be over them. And Tukuafu brings more than Jenkins. He can play in backfield, and key DE reserve.

Also James, no room for him to be active, when I thought Rock would make team, I usually had James inactive, he has no defined role yet, and needs practice to get better. He isn't ready as a Returner, I wouldn't trust him back there, he looks nervous to me back there.
i guess i am ok with hunter doing kickoffs in case ginn can not go. i am ok with kyle doing punts. My worry is who are the backups after that. cox? like you i thought rock would be that person. james makes me nervous and jenkins has proven nothing that way. now i hope and think those two will be the main guys next year but I am a little worried about plan b and c if ginn is hurt
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Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I know some will take this the wrong way, let alone to the extreme...but

Poor Josh Johnson...he really got played. I mean some must question Harbaugh's credibility when it comes to earning your role on a team.

I have liked Tolzien since we first got him...and I still do....but I don't know how I'd look Josh in the eyes as if something wrong didn't happen.

If making the team was based off training camp and preseason, it seems Josh would've got the nod. I wonder what is going through his head. It must've been a long shot for him to make the team since he got here.

well at least he is leaving here a better QB, imo...he looked good out there in his final appearance.

So you've been to each practice during training camp to make this assessment? All you do is read articles and watch preseason games and you now feel you have the right to question harbaugh? Come on man.
haha so I'm wrong to question Harbaugh? When almost everyone here was questioning him regarding his praise for Colin and how Colin was ahead of Tolzien. But I'm wrong to question a decision?

but yes, I went based off articles about training camp and OTAs like everyone else...everyone else would follow each practice eager to see who did well and who didn't..everything was discussed and analyzed and argued...but no, I'm wrong for doing the same thing?

so based off what I've read from training camp it seemed close between the two heading into the preseason, and watching these preseason games Johnson looked better.

No you were wrong to call Harbaugh's credibility and integrity into question with no credible facts. Thats where you went wrong.

Yep.

It was a s**tty outcome for Josh Johnson, but we don't know anything about the reasoning behind it.

People need to quit making assumptions.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Another thing on jenkins being active, he hasn't proven he is better than Ginn or even Williams to be over them. And Tukuafu brings more than Jenkins. He can play in backfield, and key DE reserve.

Also James, no room for him to be active, when I thought Rock would make team, I usually had James inactive, he has no defined role yet, and needs practice to get better. He isn't ready as a Returner, I wouldn't trust him back there, he looks nervous to me back there.
I have to disagree. I cannot see how Ginn is a better WR than A.J. It's amazing that people think that we draft a guy in the 1st round yet have a return specialist higher on the depth chart, even though that return specialist is a horrible WR at best. Ginn is a WR in-name-only, and he's shown nothing during preseason that'll make me believe other wise. As for James, I kind of disagree, but I wouldn't be surprised or mad if JH & Co. made him inactive on game days. But I suspect he'll be active though.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I'm worried about being so light on OT's. I get that Boone can swing out to tackle (his natural spot) but when he does that, it means one injury changes 2/5ths of the alignment, where as having a back-up tackle would be 1/5th change.

Been my worry from the very beginning...guess Person wasn't the answer; thought we'd pick up a veteran T at least once they decided Boone was the best option at RG over Davis. Scary...same with OLB where all three guys have been injured at some point already.
So let's assume that they move L. Davis in to start at RG, making Boone the swing tackle. Does that make everyone's concerns go away?

Remember last year, when they had Snyder starting at Center all preseason? Boone's better than Snyder, but not sure they're ready to start him at RG in real games.

Been a hot topic all off season. Breaking down the game tape, naturally saw lots of issues with Boone/Davis on that right side. I thought having a veteran monster of Davis starting at RG next to Davis would be much better for now. The real issue is that the coaching staff would not give Boone a real shot to compete at T with Staley/Davis and we all love Boone as he has earned a real shot...but only RG was "open." Still, I think Boone has more upside at T than Staley/Davis and he has trained his entire career to be a T until this off season.

Back to your original question, yes, I think that would make everyone happier b/c we would have a stud back up at T either way and someone REALLY pushing Staley/Davis (who need it), a veteran pro bowler who's playing with fire and at the lowest weight of his career at RG (and all the experience to help Goodwin/David on the right side) and you've got a good backup in G/C in Kilgore (and you could have developed a player like Slowey at C). That would have been my solution from the beginning.

If Boone doesn't pan out at RG though at least he has earned G experience and we already know he can play T so that's a win/win. He does look stronger in the run game than Snyder and we know he is built for pass protection but it will take him a long time to learn the nuances playing in the box next to Goodwin/Davis (naturally). But to me, if you are willing to let him develop at G, why not let him develop as a starter at T where he is a much more natural fit?
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows
#49ers announce practice squad: DT Jerod-Eddie, LB C.Johnson, DT Masifilo, T Netter, WR Palmer, S M.Thomas,T Wiggins, LB Wilhoite


Championship.

Yeah, unfortunately the only guys I don't like on our PS are the two tackles (of course, I also wanted Tyms, but that's my problem )


Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows
#49ers announce practice squad: DT Jerod-Eddie, LB C.Johnson, DT Masifilo, T Netter, WR Palmer, S M.Thomas,T Wiggins, LB Wilhoite


Championship.

Yeah, unfortunately the only guys I don't like on our PS are the two tackles (of course, I also wanted Tyms, but that's my problem )

Me too! I liked Tyms...only prototypical WCO WR we had!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Me too! I liked Tyms...only prototypical WCO WR we had!

...and the only "fade guy" we would have next year if/when Moss moves on
They signed L Davis a bit late to start right away in the preseason games but they likely know what he is capable of doing. Wouldn't be surprised if he replaced Boone at the first sign of injury by Staley or A Davis. But, I'm more comfortable with this line than I was with last year. L Davis is an upgrade to either Rachal or Snyder, Kilgore has another year under his belt, A Davis and Iupati have another year of experience on a winning team, Goodwin is...Goodwin, so I see an improvement here, if not a solid line.

Add Looney for development and that helps as well. The line looked pretty dominant at times in run blocking...against first team Ds. Now--if they can keep Smith alive!
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Another thing on jenkins being active, he hasn't proven he is better than Ginn or even Williams to be over them. And Tukuafu brings more than Jenkins. He can play in backfield, and key DE reserve.

Also James, no room for him to be active, when I thought Rock would make team, I usually had James inactive, he has no defined role yet, and needs practice to get better. He isn't ready as a Returner, I wouldn't trust him back there, he looks nervous to me back there.
i guess i am ok with hunter doing kickoffs in case ginn can not go. i am ok with kyle doing punts. My worry is who are the backups after that. cox? like you i thought rock would be that person. james makes me nervous and jenkins has proven nothing that way. now i hope and think those two will be the main guys next year but I am a little worried about plan b and c if ginn is hurt

Same here cc, I am terrified of what happens if Ginn and guys like Kyle Williams go down. I wouldn't feel great or good with Jenkins, James or even Cox back there.


Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Another thing on jenkins being active, he hasn't proven he is better than Ginn or even Williams to be over them. And Tukuafu brings more than Jenkins. He can play in backfield, and key DE reserve.

Also James, no room for him to be active, when I thought Rock would make team, I usually had James inactive, he has no defined role yet, and needs practice to get better. He isn't ready as a Returner, I wouldn't trust him back there, he looks nervous to me back there.
I have to disagree. I cannot see how Ginn is a better WR than A.J. It's amazing that people think that we draft a guy in the 1st round yet have a return specialist higher on the depth chart, even though that return specialist is a horrible WR at best. Ginn is a WR in-name-only, and he's shown nothing during preseason that'll make me believe other wise. As for James, I kind of disagree, but I wouldn't be surprised or mad if JH & Co. made him inactive on game days. But I suspect he'll be active though.

Maybe Jenkins WILL be a better WR, but right now Ginn is the better WR and won't be inactive just to get the 1st rd pick out there. Jenkins isn't ready, he needs to show more in practice and be mentored more by Moss.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Same here cc, I am terrified of what happens if Ginn and guys like Kyle Williams go down. I wouldn't feel great or good with Jenkins, James or even Cox back there.



Maybe Jenkins WILL be a better WR, but right now Ginn is the better WR and won't be inactive just to get the 1st rd pick out there. Jenkins isn't ready, he needs to show more in practice and be mentored more by Moss.

I disagree that Ginn is a better, or even good WR. I think Harbaugh and his staff build Ginn up because they know he is going to be active on gamedays as the returner. If they only activate 4-5 WR, there is a good chance they will need to use him in a game, and a guy w/a history of the dropsies needs to have his confidence high (compare w/what Harbaugh has been saying about Alex and Crabtree, other "shy guys" who seem to benefit from public support from the staff). As to your earlier point that AJ hasn't proven that he is better, I thought he looked more natural and sudden as a route runner, and I think he will prove to have elite hands, once he stops overthinking the game. He can't really prove that he is better w/out playing time.