Stock Up or Down? Updated through all 4 games | Page 4

Gore_21 · 2012-08-10T21:27:36-07:00

Fully updated with all 4 games in Feel free to replay and say stock up, down or flat to as many players as you want. ***AFTER GAME 1*** STOCK UP: Rock Cartwright - Looked good running the ball... he did in Washington years ago as well. Can he play still play FB (2nd/3rd back) because if he can he fully eliminates Anthony Dixon. Eric Bakhtiari - Had the 2 sacks but he will be 28 before the season ends. Might have a shot at 4th OLB going against Cam Johnson and Kourtnei Brown but maybe his age hurts him. He's been a journeyman. Edit: Also, had 2 missed sacks on Webb but he is tough to bring down. Demarcus Dobbs - Not sure what he did at TE but honestly I forget that and make him a backup DE full time. The guy should make the cut and maybe get increased playing time down the road. Played really well at DE and left off where he did last pre season. Perrish Cox - Bad throw by QB but he did what he had to do and ints stick out. UDFA's WRs - Minus a wide open drop by Palmer (or was it 2 drops?) they all looked good. I would say Owusu looks like the best of the bunch. All of these guys are fighting up hill battles for the 6th WR spot. Hopefully they can slip onto the PS without another team stealing them. Scott Tolzien - If he keeps playing like this it will be hard to cut him. Good pocket passer and do we really want to keep two running QBs in Kap and Johnson? Not sure we need two of the same guys. Showed great poise and leadership out there. Tougher tests are a ahead though. Colin Kaepernick - The run was more bad defense than anything but still impressive. Kaepernick has to be able to get rid of the ball and for god sakes can we quicken his release? Like Johnson has to learn to be a pocket passer as well. Can't have our OC calling roll outs every play. Still either way much better than last year already. Konrad Reuland - If we do keep a 3rd TE Reuland has great hands and size. Byham didn't play and unfortunately because of his injury he is behind the 8 ball. Celek had a nice catch but again he will have to do a lot ot unseat Reuland if we keep 3 te's. I'm beginning to think with all our guys who can come in as extra blockers (extra T's, Leonard Davis, Dobbs, Tukuafa, Sopoaga, etc) we might not go with 3 TEs. Brandon Jacobs - Again snap judgement and early but Jacobs converted 4/4 on short yardage. Granted the line did well. Seems like he is somewhat back to his old self. Plus he had a nice big run which any of those this year will be icing on the cake. Alex Boone - After re-watching the game he mauled out there. No issues in pass protection. Hopefully our RG of the future is in place. Might mean we need to get a backup tackle after this year if Leonard Davis beats out Person for one of the last spots. Kendall Hunter - His blocking looked good, he's ready to go. This guy will get more and more carries and will eventually take over for Gore. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLAT: LaMichael James - Showed some great agility on runs... still really early but was so so for returns. Took a bunch out that were 9 yards deep but can't blame him for wanting to showcase himself. Josh Johnson - Didn't get to throw a whole lot. Shows great speed and arm strength but it comes down to accuracy and being able to make reads and be able to throw in the pocket. You can't be on the run the whole time. AJ Jenkins - Guy shows potential and had a nice catch. Just has to get rid of the gitters and catch those 2 balls. Soon to go up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STOCK DOWN: Anthony Dixon - Looked decent running the ball (better than all of last year) but the way Rock ran the ball Dixon might be the 6th RB and at FB what can he do that Sopoaga/Tukuafa couldn't do as a backup? Odds are stacked against him but I do think if he doesn't make it he can go play and contribute for another team (wouldn't be surprised if it was the Rams/Seattle). Mike Person - Gave up the sack that allowed the defender to hit Tolzien as he threw and cause an INT in the red zone. With Leonard Davis looking good he might take one of the last OL spots from Person. However, we don't have much depth at T besides Boone who will probably be the full time RG so we probably don't want to shift him around once he gets comfortable. I think next year in the draft we might have to look for a 3rd T. ***AFTER GAME 2*** STOCK UP: Kendall Hunter - Every game this guy proves more and more he is our future after Gore. He has moved up to our 3rd best offensive player after Gore and Vernon. If Jacobs is out for awhile I give Hunter a shot at short yardage back. For being so small he runs big... keeps his legs churning and he's got great vision. Demarcus Dobbs - Played OLB in this game due to injuries. He's just raising his stock. TE/DE/OLB/ST not bad for an UDFA. He seems to be blocking well. He's giving the staff a good case into only keeping 2 TEs. Now we just have to see him catch some balls. Reuland is going to fight him to the bitter end though. Eric Bahktiari - Didn't get the sacks but he held the edge, caused a holding penalty, just played solid. With Rowe not getting much playing time, Cam Johnson injured and Kourtnei Brown missing a tackle in the backfield that led to a 20 yard run it wasn't hard for his stock to skyrocket. AJ Jenkins - Beautiful route and catch on a nice throw from Josh Johnson for 34 yards. Ran a nice route on the play after and had a TD but Johnson overthrew him. Also was open like 40 yards down field but was overthrown again on the next series. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLAT: Colin Kaepernick - Not that he did bad but his long wind up is just asking for pick 6 throws in the flats. He seemed a bit better in the pocket but he was late on a lot of throws. Put his running ability aside because we know what he can do with his legs. I trust Harbaugh and he knows QBs but I am still surprised he never fixed Colin's delivery. He's tightened it up some but still could be better. I think it's clear if Colin had to start in a regular season game we would see a lot of option. He had some drops and some risky throws but all in all it was a pretty good game. He played the best out of the FLAT guys and he wasn't too far from stock up. LaMichael James - As a return man his stock is way down. Dropped punt... also went backwards on a punt. He's ok on kickoffs. I hope he will offer more as he gets more experienced. As a runner I thought he was decent. He definitely knows how to sell those option fakes. If you watch one of the Texans dlineman chase him down when he didn't have the ball. It looked like he did. Probably goes back to his Oregon days. It's early but I thought he would light it up from the get go but he should get better. Tramaine Brock - Had a long PI penalty, was in on Johnson's long catch early on although he had his hand in there... had a good special teams tackle and a pass breakup. Also, had a nice tackle in the backfield in the open against Foster. Cox didn't play so Brock had a chance to improve on the competition for the #4 spot. Not sure he did that. Josh Johnson - Had a nice throw to Jenkins down the sidelines but also overthrew Jenkins twice on two plays he had potential TDs on. Also, threw behind Jenkins on a 3rd down. Rock Cartwright and Anthony Dixon - Neither did much to separate themselves this game. Cartwright didnt have the holes like last week but did decent running the ball. Anthony had a nice catch for a 1st down and a nice run for a 1st on a 4th and short but also got stopped on a 4th and short (maybe not his fault). Joe Holland - 1 sack, 1 tackle at LOS. He's fighting for PS at best though. Was a big reason Holliday got the return TD though. UDFA WRs - None of them really got a chance to shine. Tyms had 2 catches I think, Owusu 1, 0 for Palmer. I think it's safe to say we go with 6 WRs and Williams will be the last one. Maybe if they stay under the radar they can make it through the season on the PS and have a chance at being on the roster next year. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STOCK DOWN: Cam Johnson - Hasn't practiced much and now has missed the 1st 2 pre-season games. However, I think the team knew they got him so late because of an injury issue. His stock is going down but they might see enough potential to put him on PUP or IR or keep him around. With 2 games left odds are against him making the team on something besides an injury list. Jewel Hampton - Has been missing practice and has now missed the 1st 2 pre-season games. The once potential practice squad candidate is looking at an uphill battle. Even though he won't have much competition if the 49ers keep 1 RB on the PS they could go with no RB and give the spot to a more proven player/position. Kenny Wiggins - Two holds against him. I don't care how well you block 20 yards worth of holds will negate that and really stand out. ***AFTER GAME 3*** STOCK UP: Kyle Williams - A really nice 46 yard catch and run... a tackle on special teams near the goal line and also looked pretty good on punt returns. He is playing hard out there. Will Tukuafu - Sack and Forced Fumble.. might put him over the top and cement a spot. Playing 2nd string FB... two really nice lead blocks for Dixon but one bad wiff on a rusher where he could have given up a sack. Perrish Cox - Another INT.... for sure the #4 CB with a chance to climb in the future. Possibly fighting with Culliver for #3 down the road or a future 1 or 2. Konrad Reuland - Dobbs seems to be doing well blocking but I am just not sure we can have a 3rd TE who isn't a threat at WR. Granted it's early but does Dobbs have the speed to get open. I know the offense wasn't using all the weapons but I think we will need Reulands catching ability this year. Although, we did go with Peele who didn't catch more than 3-5 balls last year though. Nice catch on a Colin scramble. Did have a drop. Anthony Dixon - Showed great patience on the TD. A few other nice runs. He won't go down without a fight. He just might sneak in over Rock. He is making it a tougher choice than it was 1 week ago. Cartwright says not so fast with a 29 yard run. And a lot depends on the OL but both had their share of runs that they got stopped at the line but both has a few nice runs although Dixon had a few more. Kapernick - Had a overthrow early... the 2nd one was probably because swain was held. Looks better in the pocket but 2nd string OL doing well (until end of 3rd Q goal line) and giving him time to throw in the pocket. Had a nice escape on a missed block by Tukuafu and turned it into a 1st down throw on the sidelines to Reuland. AJ Jenkins - Showed his speed on a reverse that should have got nothing. Nice catch in the red zone. Also, had beaten his man and was overthrown by Kap deep down the field. Practice Squad - Tony Jerod-Eddie, Michael Wilhote/Joe Holland, Kenny Rowe all upped their stock for the practice squad. Jerod-Eddie with a batted ball on 3rd down... Rowe with a nice stop in the backfield and a nice sack, Wilhote doing a good job of holding the middle. Holland showing some nice speed on a few rushes where he got pressure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLAT: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STOCK DOWN: Tramaine Brock - Just doesn't seem like the player he was before getting hurt last year. Granted he was covering Decker who could be a star in this league soon. A bad missed tackle in the open that led to a long run. Gave up a TD, almost another but it was dropped. He might be playing himself off the team if we had someone else to take over at 5. Maybe Nelms but I rarely see that guy out there. We definitely need to look for an upgrade next year at 5 or overall. ***AFTER GAME 4*** STOCK UP: Colin Kaepernick - Showed patience on waiting for coverage man to come at him... then dump it off for nice game (did that last week to dixon as well)... looking more comfortable in pocket... really nice throw to Delanie, Miller, Celek and then 1 drop by Swain. Great job buying time on td throw to Jenkins. Best he has looked yet!!! nice run deep in our own territory on 3rd and 2 where he should have been sacked in backfield Darcel McBath - nice int in the red zone, bated Rivers into INT!!! Delanie Walker - beautiful td run after catch, good to have him back Will Tukuafu at FB - a few really nice lead blocks... could he be the replacement for short yardage FB or emergency FB if Sopoaga leaves after this year... could even play a bit of FB this year even Trent Robinson - fumble recovery and return... he's starting to look better out there... sticking his nose in on runs as well... gave up long pass to gates though... CJ Spillman - got beat by gates but nice strip.. gave up a few catches though... I think robinson might be closing gap on him though.. I feel better about Spillman and Robinson than I did before the pre-season started. Eric Bakhtiari - Did a good job tackling in open space and setting the edge. Has a little bit of speed and pass rush ability. Might not get much time if he is the 4th olb but we will need him at some point. AJ Jenkins - Nice run on reverse, nice catch running across the middle.... he continues to show his quickness. Also, with his 1st Td catch... good job of sitting down in open. Another 19 yard catch and a catch before half time to get us into fg position. His best game yet, showcasing what he can bring to the table maybe even this year. Tavares Gooden - Sack and some nice tackles in the backfield.... he and Grant are both FAs next year so he will have to prove his worth... who knows he could be #3 ILB next year if Grant leaves. Brett Swain - Too bad we don't have a spot for him and he isn't practice squad eligible. He probably has played well enough to make another team's 53 man roster. Nathan Palmer - Saying not so fast with a 50+ yard td catch... it's going to be tough cutting these guys but he should be a PS guy if he doesn't get claimed by another team. Garrett Celek - Nice touchdown and another long catch but he wasn't that good the other 3 games. Wonder if we keep him on PS.... plenty of other good players to not keep a TE PS guys - Tony Jerod-Eddie, Alama-Francis (alhough dont think he is PS eligible), Masifilio, Whiloite, Holland, etc the entire 2nd and 3rd string defense brought a ton of pressure... might have been SD's OL or a bit of both. Anthony Mosley and Brock also looked good... Brock might have saved his job -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLAT: Cam Johnson - Showing he needs to get some more strength but I like his size. LaMichael James - Clearly not ready to return punts. He seems nervous, shaky.... not as explosive as I expected he would be this pre season but it's early and he didnt get as much practice with graduation being late. Once he gets more comfortable you will see more explosion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STOCK DOWN: Colin Jones - INT for McBath, forced fumble by Spillman, FR and nice return by Robinson... Had opportunity to hit PR right at catch but missed tackle.. seems like there might not be a spot for him. Good st guy but he doesn't even get time at S and you guys know how much we like guys who can't play more than 1 spot

Aug 11, 2012 at 8:37 AM

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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Well.. Kendall Hunter got thrown down just as Kyle was deciding where to cut. I think the presence of Hunter's "carcass" made Kyle decide to jump to avoid stumbling over Hunter. Hunter's helmet was basically touching the left foot of Kyle's. So had Hunter not been there at his feet? I'd say Kyle should certainly not have jumped and simply cut right or stay straight left of the LB # 51. Kyle's a wild child, to be sure... but I have a hard time blaming him for doing what he did there.

FWIW I think that was McBath not Hunter. They both wore #32 last night.

Aug 11, 2012 at 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Well.. Kendall Hunter got thrown down just as Kyle was deciding where to cut. I think the presence of Hunter's "carcass" made Kyle decide to jump to avoid stumbling over Hunter. Hunter's helmet was basically touching the left foot of Kyle's. So had Hunter not been there at his feet? I'd say Kyle should certainly not have jumped and simply cut right or stay straight left of the LB # 51. Kyle's a wild child, to be sure... but I have a hard time blaming him for doing what he did there.

FWIW I think that was McBath not Hunter. They both wore #32 last night.

ah... that would make more sense. k, thanks.

Aug 11, 2012 at 9:05 AM

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AFTER GAME 1:

Anthony Dixon - Stock Down - Totally agree. His playing fullback is showing he's desperate to make this team some how some way. Dixon just continues to play below his potential. He plays hard, which is why he does well on special teams, but not smart. He just doesn't make good reads with the ball.

Rock Cartwright - Stock the same/slight uptick. He is taking Dixon's job for sure. Hard to imagine us carrying Cartwright, Gore, Jacobs, James, and Hunter. Five backs? To be honest the temptation for me would be to cut James. Too bad James can't be hidden on the practice squad. Cartwright might become a luxury.

Eric Bakhtiari - Stock Up - Stock was way up. He wasn't playing top tier guys but he sure got to the passer very well and had a high motor at OLB. Can he cover?

Demarcus Dobbs - Stock Up - Wearing#40 tells me this guys roster spot is a lock. I think we have plans for him on offense.

Perrish Cox - Stock the same -He stood out because he picked the ball off and he made some good hits. Looks like he'll make the team.

WRs -
Owusu -Stock up. This guys is making a case not to be cut. It's hard to imagine him making the team though. Who do you cut? Moss Crabs Williams Ginn and Jenkins should make the team. I think Owusu is probably 6 right now. You can probably hide others on the PS.

AJ Jenkins - I was impressed enough and will be patient with a 1st round pick. He ran good routes. Had a late ball from Kaep. Made a nice catch. He'll settle down. I actually like Owusu better right now though.

All other wideouts=stock down. Somebody has to be cut and though they looked nice but nobody made a case to bump Jenkins. Which is what you have to do based on what I saw from Owusu. I think we keep 6 May the best 6 win. Hopefully we have some depth on the PS.

Scott Tolzien - Stock Up - I trust this guy to run the O. He deserves to be on the team. He flashes some serious potential. No way we keep Kaep and Johnson. People forget that Smith ain't bad on his feet either. Johnson is probably on the outs right now.

Colin Kaepernick - Stock the same. -Great run but he has not shown he deserves to be the #1. I'm also not convinced he's the #2. But I'd rather sharpen his skills than Johnson at this point.

LaMichael James - Stock down. -Does he really do anything that Hunter Can't?

.Konrad Reuland - Stock Up - Mostly because Byham didn't play because of his injury. We have lots of extra blockers but Reuland provides a pass catching threat. Can he play FB? We go with three TEs.

Brandon Jacobs - Stock Up - Old self? He has never looked like he was in this kind of shape. He is complicating the backfield more than anyone. Can we keep 5 RBs?

Alex Boone - Stock Up - Love this guy. Totally biased. I'm only seeing good.

Leonard Davis.-Stock up. ?? Can this guy play tackle? I mean if he can play two positions he's great depth.

KENDALL HUNTER!! STOCK UP!! Great game. Looks good. Looked like a starter.

ALEX SMITH-stock up. Looked great on the opening drive. Was sharp, made a great decision and read in the redzone which made the throw secondary.

KYLE WILLIAMS-STOCK UP. Loved that he started at PR. He looked good back there and confident. He also played well at wideout. I know he had a bad day @ the NFC-C but he is going to make this team.

Aug 11, 2012 at 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by VA49er:
AFTER GAME 1:

Anthony Dixon - Stock Down - Totally agree. His playing fullback is showing he's desperate to make this team some how some way. Dixon just continues to play below his potential. He plays hard, which is why he does well on special teams, but not smart. He just doesn't make good reads with the ball.

Rock Cartwright - Stock the same/slight uptick. He is taking Dixon's job for sure. Hard to imagine us carrying Cartwright, Gore, Jacobs, James, and Hunter. Five backs? To be honest the temptation for me would be to cut James. Too bad James can't be hidden on the practice squad. Cartwright might become a luxury.

Eric Bakhtiari - Stock Up - Stock was way up. He wasn't playing top tier guys but he sure got to the passer very well and had a high motor at OLB. Can he cover?

Demarcus Dobbs - Stock Up - Wearing#40 tells me this guys roster spot is a lock. I think we have plans for him on offense.

Perrish Cox - Stock the same -He stood out because he picked the ball off and he made some good hits. Looks like he'll make the team.

WRs -
Owusu -Stock up. This guys is making a case not to be cut. It's hard to imagine him making the team though. Who do you cut? Moss Crabs Williams Ginn and Jenkins should make the team. I think Owusu is probably 6 right now. You can probably hide others on the PS.

AJ Jenkins - I was impressed enough and will be patient with a 1st round pick. He ran good routes. Had a late ball from Kaep. Made a nice catch. He'll settle down. I actually like Owusu better right now though.

All other wideouts=stock down. Somebody has to be cut and though they looked nice but nobody made a case to bump Jenkins. Which is what you have to do based on what I saw from Owusu. I think we keep 6 May the best 6 win. Hopefully we have some depth on the PS.

Scott Tolzien - Stock Up - I trust this guy to run the O. He deserves to be on the team. He flashes some serious potential. No way we keep Kaep and Johnson. People forget that Smith ain't bad on his feet either. Johnson is probably on the outs right now.

Colin Kaepernick - Stock the same. -Great run but he has not shown he deserves to be the #1. I'm also not convinced he's the #2. But I'd rather sharpen his skills than Johnson at this point.

LaMichael James - Stock down. -Does he really do anything that Hunter Can't?

.Konrad Reuland - Stock Up - Mostly because Byham didn't play because of his injury. We have lots of extra blockers but Reuland provides a pass catching threat. Can he play FB? We go with three TEs.

Brandon Jacobs - Stock Up - Old self? He has never looked like he was in this kind of shape. He is complicating the backfield more than anyone. Can we keep 5 RBs?

Alex Boone - Stock Up - Love this guy. Totally biased. I'm only seeing good.

Leonard Davis.-Stock up. ?? Can this guy play tackle? I mean if he can play two positions he's great depth.

KENDALL HUNTER!! STOCK UP!! Great game. Looks good. Looked like a starter.

ALEX SMITH-stock up. Looked great on the opening drive. Was sharp, made a great decision and read in the redzone which made the throw secondary.

KYLE WILLIAMS-STOCK UP. Loved that he started at PR. He looked good back there and confident. He also played well at wideout. I know he had a bad day @ the NFC-C but he is going to make this team.

Couple comments.

1. I think you're forgetting about Manningham. Don't really see a spot for any of the UDFA WR's on the 53. Hopefully 2 of Palmer, Tynes, and Owusu can make it onto the practice squad.

2. Keeping 5 backs isn't unheard of. Last year we kept 5. No way we cut James. There is just no way. Given how much we run the ball, I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it comes down to Dixon and Cartwright for the final RB spot. Both are great special teams players but it comes down to how well they can run the ball. Based on where they entered the game, I think Cartwright has the clear edge at this point.

Aug 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by VA49er:
AFTER GAME 1:

Anthony Dixon - Stock Down - Totally agree. His playing fullback is showing he's desperate to make this team some how some way. Dixon just continues to play below his potential. He plays hard, which is why he does well on special teams, but not smart. He just doesn't make good reads with the ball.

Rock Cartwright - Stock the same/slight uptick. He is taking Dixon's job for sure. Hard to imagine us carrying Cartwright, Gore, Jacobs, James, and Hunter. Five backs? To be honest the temptation for me would be to cut James. Too bad James can't be hidden on the practice squad. Cartwright might become a luxury.

Eric Bakhtiari - Stock Up - Stock was way up. He wasn't playing top tier guys but he sure got to the passer very well and had a high motor at OLB. Can he cover?

Demarcus Dobbs - Stock Up - Wearing#40 tells me this guys roster spot is a lock. I think we have plans for him on offense.

Perrish Cox - Stock the same -He stood out because he picked the ball off and he made some good hits. Looks like he'll make the team.

WRs -
Owusu -Stock up. This guys is making a case not to be cut. It's hard to imagine him making the team though. Who do you cut? Moss Crabs Williams Ginn and Jenkins should make the team. I think Owusu is probably 6 right now. You can probably hide others on the PS.

AJ Jenkins - I was impressed enough and will be patient with a 1st round pick. He ran good routes. Had a late ball from Kaep. Made a nice catch. He'll settle down. I actually like Owusu better right now though.

All other wideouts=stock down. Somebody has to be cut and though they looked nice but nobody made a case to bump Jenkins. Which is what you have to do based on what I saw from Owusu. I think we keep 6 May the best 6 win. Hopefully we have some depth on the PS.

Scott Tolzien - Stock Up - I trust this guy to run the O. He deserves to be on the team. He flashes some serious potential. No way we keep Kaep and Johnson. People forget that Smith ain't bad on his feet either. Johnson is probably on the outs right now.

Colin Kaepernick - Stock the same. -Great run but he has not shown he deserves to be the #1. I'm also not convinced he's the #2. But I'd rather sharpen his skills than Johnson at this point.

LaMichael James - Stock down. -Does he really do anything that Hunter Can't?

.Konrad Reuland - Stock Up - Mostly because Byham didn't play because of his injury. We have lots of extra blockers but Reuland provides a pass catching threat. Can he play FB? We go with three TEs.

Brandon Jacobs - Stock Up - Old self? He has never looked like he was in this kind of shape. He is complicating the backfield more than anyone. Can we keep 5 RBs?

Alex Boone - Stock Up - Love this guy. Totally biased. I'm only seeing good.

Leonard Davis.-Stock up. ?? Can this guy play tackle? I mean if he can play two positions he's great depth.

KENDALL HUNTER!! STOCK UP!! Great game. Looks good. Looked like a starter.

ALEX SMITH-stock up. Looked great on the opening drive. Was sharp, made a great decision and read in the redzone which made the throw secondary.

KYLE WILLIAMS-STOCK UP. Loved that he started at PR. He looked good back there and confident. He also played well at wideout. I know he had a bad day @ the NFC-C but he is going to make this team.
Couple comments.

1. I think you're forgetting about Manningham. Don't really see a spot for any of the UDFA WR's on the 53. Hopefully 2 of Palmer, Tynes, and Owusu can make it onto the practice squad.

2. Keeping 5 backs isn't unheard of. Last year we kept 5. No way we cut James. There is just no way. Given how much we run the ball, I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it comes down to Dixon and Cartwright for the final RB spot. Both are great special teams players but it comes down to how well they can run the ball. Based on where they entered the game, I think Cartwright has the clear edge at this point.

You are absolutely correct. I totally forgot manningham. He makes it hard for any of the young noobs at wideout. That's going to be a tough call and we're going to loose a good wideout after waivers.

At HB we had Gore, Hunter, Dixon, and who else? I wasn't counting Miller. He makes four and then Norris was five. My assumption at this point is that Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, Cartwright, and James are all competing. Miller is a lock. So that would be 6 backs. Either way that is one more than last year right? Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, James, Miller, and Cartwright/Dixon? is 6 backs is a lot on a 53 man roster.

Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

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Why would we keep Cartwright or Dixon?

Aug 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM

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Aug 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by VA49er:
Either way that is one more than last year right? Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, James, Miller, and Cartwright/Dixon? is 6 backs is a lot on a 53 man roster.

One less TE (with Dobbs as a two-way player) and that takes care of that.

Aug 11, 2012 at 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Why would we keep Cartwright or Dixon?

carwright, captain of special teams, good back up running back/fullback, good back up kick returner, great locker room vet, I had hoped dixon would bust it when they signed jacobs, if last nights game was any indication,, he did not , he will be gone and i am ok with that

Aug 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM

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sounds like kyle williams had a good game. his stock continues to climb. good for him.

Aug 11, 2012 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Why would we keep Cartwright or Dixon?

Cartwright for special teams... the new Blake Costanzo for us.

Dixon... probably not.

Aug 11, 2012 at 12:10 PM

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We need to find a way to keep and develop Owusu and Tyms.

Aug 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM

#58

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Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by AlohaBruh:
Great thread...
What about
Cully and spilman?

Didn't see much of Culliver and the only play I seen Spillman he gave up a catch but had good coverage. Didn't see either good enough to make a fair judgement (my stream was pixelated as well) but Spillman in the long run will give us something to think about if Goldson doesn't re-sign. (him or high draft pick next year). As for Culliver I expect him to take a step up and don't be surprised if he is starting soon.

Culliver had a P.I. call, and IIRC gave up one reception, and had a tackle. He didn't stand out. Spillman will continue to be a career backup and ST player.

Nothing too notable about either of them.

Aug 11, 2012 at 12:20 PM

#59

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Originally posted by VA49er:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by VA49er:
AFTER GAME 1:

Anthony Dixon - Stock Down - Totally agree. His playing fullback is showing he's desperate to make this team some how some way. Dixon just continues to play below his potential. He plays hard, which is why he does well on special teams, but not smart. He just doesn't make good reads with the ball.

Rock Cartwright - Stock the same/slight uptick. He is taking Dixon's job for sure. Hard to imagine us carrying Cartwright, Gore, Jacobs, James, and Hunter. Five backs? To be honest the temptation for me would be to cut James. Too bad James can't be hidden on the practice squad. Cartwright might become a luxury.

Eric Bakhtiari - Stock Up - Stock was way up. He wasn't playing top tier guys but he sure got to the passer very well and had a high motor at OLB. Can he cover?

Demarcus Dobbs - Stock Up - Wearing#40 tells me this guys roster spot is a lock. I think we have plans for him on offense.

Perrish Cox - Stock the same -He stood out because he picked the ball off and he made some good hits. Looks like he'll make the team.

WRs -
Owusu -Stock up. This guys is making a case not to be cut. It's hard to imagine him making the team though. Who do you cut? Moss Crabs Williams Ginn and Jenkins should make the team. I think Owusu is probably 6 right now. You can probably hide others on the PS.

AJ Jenkins - I was impressed enough and will be patient with a 1st round pick. He ran good routes. Had a late ball from Kaep. Made a nice catch. He'll settle down. I actually like Owusu better right now though.

All other wideouts=stock down. Somebody has to be cut and though they looked nice but nobody made a case to bump Jenkins. Which is what you have to do based on what I saw from Owusu. I think we keep 6 May the best 6 win. Hopefully we have some depth on the PS.

Scott Tolzien - Stock Up - I trust this guy to run the O. He deserves to be on the team. He flashes some serious potential. No way we keep Kaep and Johnson. People forget that Smith ain't bad on his feet either. Johnson is probably on the outs right now.

Colin Kaepernick - Stock the same. -Great run but he has not shown he deserves to be the #1. I'm also not convinced he's the #2. But I'd rather sharpen his skills than Johnson at this point.

LaMichael James - Stock down. -Does he really do anything that Hunter Can't?

.Konrad Reuland - Stock Up - Mostly because Byham didn't play because of his injury. We have lots of extra blockers but Reuland provides a pass catching threat. Can he play FB? We go with three TEs.

Brandon Jacobs - Stock Up - Old self? He has never looked like he was in this kind of shape. He is complicating the backfield more than anyone. Can we keep 5 RBs?

Alex Boone - Stock Up - Love this guy. Totally biased. I'm only seeing good.

Leonard Davis.-Stock up. ?? Can this guy play tackle? I mean if he can play two positions he's great depth.

KENDALL HUNTER!! STOCK UP!! Great game. Looks good. Looked like a starter.

ALEX SMITH-stock up. Looked great on the opening drive. Was sharp, made a great decision and read in the redzone which made the throw secondary.

KYLE WILLIAMS-STOCK UP. Loved that he started at PR. He looked good back there and confident. He also played well at wideout. I know he had a bad day @ the NFC-C but he is going to make this team.
Couple comments.

1. I think you're forgetting about Manningham. Don't really see a spot for any of the UDFA WR's on the 53. Hopefully 2 of Palmer, Tynes, and Owusu can make it onto the practice squad.

2. Keeping 5 backs isn't unheard of. Last year we kept 5. No way we cut James. There is just no way. Given how much we run the ball, I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it comes down to Dixon and Cartwright for the final RB spot. Both are great special teams players but it comes down to how well they can run the ball. Based on where they entered the game, I think Cartwright has the clear edge at this point.
You are absolutely correct. I totally forgot manningham. He makes it hard for any of the young noobs at wideout. That's going to be a tough call and we're going to loose a good wideout after waivers.

At HB we had Gore, Hunter, Dixon, and who else? I wasn't counting Miller. He makes four and then Norris was five. My assumption at this point is that Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, Cartwright, and James are all competing. Miller is a lock. So that would be 6 backs. Either way that is one more than last year right? Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, James, Miller, and Cartwright/Dixon? is 6 backs is a lot on a 53 man roster.

Cut James? Are you crazy? Yes cut the 60th overall pick after 3 carries in the preseason.....

Dobbs' versatility frees up a 6 spot at wr. So by subtracting 1 full time te were set wr. Then if you think about we carried 5 ilbs last season, this season were carrying 4 so theoretically we can simply make Cartwright the new costanzo. Jacobs will take Dixon's spot. James will take Norris' old spot. I know it's more complex then that because I haven't mentioned the whole roster but the challenge isn't carrying 6 rb/fbs and 6 wrs, the challenge will be figuring out who will be active on gamedays.

Aug 11, 2012 at 12:21 PM

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PopeyeJonesing
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
We need to find a way to keep and develop Owusu and Tyms.

Excited to keep watching them both through the pre-season. Owusu made a couple people miss on two different receptions. Tyms looks the part, but need to see more of him.

It sounds like Palmer has started to slow down in practice as Tyms has heated up.