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Originally posted by cciowa:
again, mad dog gets attacked for his opinion. sheesh. the dog brings up a good point. I am still not sure if i am supposed to be happy or sad we have a first round draft pick that may not see any time this year. I guess i will have to wait and see if ginn and moss are on this team next year, if they are not and if jenkins is still on the bench next year then You can hold JH accountable for the pick.i know it is criminal here to be critical of JH but he is not god for gods sake. The dog is also right to be a bit nervous about our line, hoping some guys can step in.Saying we should be better just with the subtraction of chilo is whistling past the end zone in my opinion. yes i hope those guys work out but it does make me nervous,"hoping" something works out. Again i still would feel better if you bring in a kyle kosier or even a leonard davis in. i still think our depth on the line is razor thin. I also think you can bring up concerns and not have to be attacked and get accused of not supporting the coach. i am worried about our offensive line since it was horrid last year, i am very worried about our depth at safety. Does that mean I hate the coach? Does that mean I am ready to slash my wrists? No,, but since some bad calls and decisions that the coach made in the giants game and the way I think he mishandled the manning alex thing,,, i have backed off in my drinking of the bathwater of the coach
I didn't attack MD, I just questioned his post; discussed what he posted.

MD has every right to express his opinions, and he did so without attacking anyone. There's no personal attack or namecalling involved here, just a discussion of the Niners and their actions and "plans."

MD disagrees with the "plan" of Baalke and Harbaugh. I disagree, this time, with his take.

Why you assume its a personal attack is difficult to understand. You trying to make MD out to be some kind of martyr? I doubt that MD thinks that. He puts out his opinion for discussion. Not everyone takes the time to understand what he's saying. When they do and address it, he's usually willing to discuss, and generally does so in a civil manner. None of us is always right about everything, but this board is for discussion.

I find that discussing MD's position frequently provides insights into the Niner's actions and plans. When I compared MD's posts about the Niner's draft to what the Niner's had acually done in the draft I learned that the Niners were trying to upgrade the speed and explosiveness of the offense. Without MD's analysis of their draft--some of which I agreed with--it might have taken me longer to see what they had done and why.

So MD's posts are sometimes helpful, I believe. He may take a negative view of the Niner's actions or plans, but discussing that often reveals positive things that the Niners have done. Isn't that what this discussion board is for?

As for your worry about the OL, keep in mind that at the end of TC, some teams off load some quality, experienced guys, including OL guys. The Saints picked up their starting Center that way last season, delaPuente. He was with the Niners through TC. The season hasn't started yet.

We have drafted four OL in the past two years, and have a number of UDFAs aboard as well, including Boone, who's proven to be a quality OL who's abilities make it hard to keep him off the field. I'd much rather have a coaching staff that's capable of recognizing OL ability than one that's only able to recognize "names" of guys who've played before.

Nice to hear that you've stopped drinking the HC's bathwater.
[ Edited by oldninerdude on Jul 11, 2012 at 11:44 AM ]
Sarcasm, is all... unnecessary, perhaps... but not "an attack" IMHO.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Sarcasm, is all... unnecessary, perhaps... but not "an attack" IMHO.
Really just trying to raise the question of whether deCastro is all that or not.

A 5.4 forty yard dash is not fast for an OL in the NFL, and that lack of speed would cause problems for an offense that wants deCastro to pull and run trap plays, will it not?

The speed difference between deCastro and Looney (5.4 vs. 4.9) is like the difference between Rich Eisen and BJ Raji. At least 5 yards over a forty yard dash.

Maybe deCastro was wearing wingtips when he ran? Or maybe we should try to sign Rich Eisen for RG?

Oops, sorry. Guess I lapsed into sarcasm there.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Sarcasm, is all... unnecessary, perhaps... but not "an attack" IMHO.
Really just trying to raise the question of whether deCastro is all that or not.

A 5.4 forty yard dash is not fast for an OL in the NFL, and that lack of speed would cause problems for an offense that wants deCastro to pull and run trap plays, will it not?

The speed difference between deCastro and Looney (5.4 vs. 4.9) is like the difference between Rich Eisen and BJ Raji. At least 5 yards over a forty yard dash.

Maybe deCastro was wearing wingtips when he ran? Or maybe we should try to sign Rich Eisen for RG?

Oops, sorry. Guess I lapsed into sarcasm there.

Without taking time to research OL 40 times and the better, proven pulling/trapping NFL OL ... Yeah, I'd say a slow 40 time doesn't inspire the best confidence from coaches expecting their players to pull or trap. DeCastro looked to me like he could do it, but I was not really a fan of us moving up for him.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Without taking time to research OL 40 times and the better, proven pulling/trapping NFL OL ... Yeah, I'd say a slow 40 time doesn't inspire the best confidence from coaches expecting their players to pull or trap. DeCastro looked to me like he could do it, but I was not really a fan of us moving up for him.
I don't expect either Jenkins or James to start this season, but I bet they both contribute to the offense at some point, so I really wouldn't want to trade them both for deCastro.

I'd bet that Boone runs a better time in the forty than deCastro at this point. I just don't see deCastro as the cure all for RG, but we'll see.

It may be that we have to sign somebody, if neither Boone, Kilgore or Looney can do the job. But that just doesn't seem likely to me.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
^ maybe it's just a mood. Maybe I'm not being fair. I'm just finding this kind of annoying and I'm probably wrong for that.

I think it's an assumption that all of the sudden, Boone is being looked at as a RG option. We still would have brought in vets to look at... we still would have taken OL that we targeted and avoided OTs that we didn't think much of. No, I assume that Jim, Greg, and the OL coaches had plans for Boone all along. They are far too diabolical to pull a Nolan and just suddenly decide, "hey, let's chuck this guy here and see what happenz."

Mike Person played LT and RT in college. His name hasn't been mentioned much, true... but we haven't known the Boone to RG plan for long. Maybe they have, and maybe they feel good about Person... or Boone being able to kick back out without missing much a beat.

My biggest concern would be for us to not start our 5th best OL... to force a lesser OL at RG just because of some perceived lack of depth at OT. That is NOT the way to handle things.

In the end, you're probably right and no doubt, the coaches are exploring every option and stating every concern we are today (which alone is x100 more than I've felt comfortable saying even 2 years ago). LOL.

At the end of the day, you want competition and the more guys you have competing, the better. You want the five best starting. B/c, like you said, we KNOW what we have in Boone at T. I think he could start there today and play very well and get better and better each game and be our future there. But if he also possesses the skill set to start at RG and perform better than Kilgore, Looney, Slowey today (and over their upside) or any FA veteran out there, well, that's great too. We'll still need to find that swing T who we are confident in like we were with Boone last year (for Staley) but the trade off is that we'll be MORE confident than last year at RG b/c many assume Boone will end up being a better than Snyder with even better quality behind him in Kilgore/Looney/Slowey. So it's a fair trade, right? B/c it buys more time for Kilgore to step in per injury at T and we're confident Boone can just swing back out at T and not miss a beat after so many years of development there. The key is to have very little, if any (with even potential to be better) drop off per injury when you are a Championship team. And that's a far cry from being a team with getting enough General Practitioners on the field...we can have full time Specialists now!

Hey NCommand! What's up dude!

Love the analysis above. I however would like to offer an alternative view;

It could be possible that Boone is the best option at RG hands down even if it means that we take reserve him at LT. It may be the coaching staff feels he'll make a more effective RG than OT this year. We may be forced to pick up a vet OT and send some of our OG projects to the practice squad. I have no problem with this. Kilgore is being penciled in as a back-up to Goodwin because Chase Beeler has turned out to be much more of a project than expected. I think Boone will project well, but we'll see. I want to see him next to Anthony Davis - the chemistry between these two will be key.

NGM! Nice post and perspective.

You could very well end up correct as well! Despite the drafting of Kilgore, Looney & Slowey and a few others and all of the FA interior OL we looked at, Boone, even though he he has trained for 3 years to be a T, he may end up being the best RG right now (b/c of his experience, work ethic and skill set) and could end up with the highest ceiling, moving the aforementioned interior OL down the chain or off the team to either the PS or cut altogether. Either way, it can't hurt to try him out.

We know Boone can play LT already and I would even argue, if given a chance to play and grow, he has even more upside than Staley and this is THE most critical OL position d/t being the blind side of the QB (which is somewhat of an argument for NOT messing with his T development right now). Maybe the coaches feel Boone, at any given moment, if needed can just swing back out there to T, would not miss a beat. Either way, at this point, we only have one proven T and "proven" means zero starts and he only played in a few games as a true LT last year (for his career). So you are right, I wouldn't be surprised if we did pick up a veteran T either b/c we certainly haven't looked at or brought any in to date. I'm not sure anyone is truly buying that Person can step right in at LT, the most critical position for your QB, at all. If you have a poor LT, you lose your QB for the year. Period.

Just be cautious and watch this battle closely and don't be surprised if Boone still ends up as a backup T and Kilgore/Looney/Slowey win the job at RG. Remember, Tarell Brown? Not one single person expected him to start over Shawnte Spencer. In fact, I don't even think a single person even knew he was "competing" with him. This could be a similar scenario WHICH again, gives me confidence the FO/Coaching Staff does have a plan...we just shouldn't assume we know what that plan really is quite yet. Lets put the pads on first...maybe we'll be more keen to it this time!?
You all realize that when your high draft picks start out at the bottom of the depth chart it means you are a good team right? Just checking.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
You all realize that when your high draft picks start out at the bottom of the depth chart it means you are a good team right? Just checking.

Sooooo true! We're no longer looking for guys to be good at two positions to fill holes; we're looking for specialists to push and raise the level of competition for starters. And even develop into starters in the very near future. This is a good thing!
Originally posted by DirtyP:
You all realize that when your high draft picks start out at the bottom of the depth chart it means you are a good team right? Just checking.

So many old dudes on this page

Originally posted by chico49erfan:
So many old dudes on this page
No offense, but at least we're not from Chico.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
So many old dudes on this page
No offense, but at least we're not from Chico.
I heard of a guy given six months to live, moved to Chico to make it seem like a year.
I'm sure the plan is for Kilgore, or one of the rooks to beat him out. The most important thing is that all of these guys are good and the best one of them is on the field and healthy
you guys read way into this s**t, seriously. We'll be fine
Double post!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jul 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM ]
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