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Justin Smith #17 on top 100

Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by drunk49er:
Originally posted by Evilgenius:
Ray Lewis was better at this point in their respective careers. A lot of old timers would take Butkus over him too. I think he's more at the Singletary level at this point.

in terms of being an athlete, lewis and willis are dead even. in terms of leadership and intensity, that's where lewis has made himself a hofer and willis will probably go down in the tier just short of the hall. not saying willis can't make the hall, but he'll need a few rings at a minimum to be in the conversation.

butkus and singletary wish they had the athleticism of willis. singletary played only between the guards because he wasn't enough of an athlete to play tackle to tackle, whereas willis is true sideline to sideline. and butkus, well, he was white.

Your crazy. If Willis keeps it up he can be the most decorated LB of all time

can be does not equate to will be. and willis just isn't on the same level ray lewis was at this point in his career.
Should be top 5.
Honestly I think this is about right. I LOVE Smith, and I do think he is comparable to Ngata, but I rate Ngata a little bit higher over the last few years. Is this list just for last season? If it is then I think you could argue that Smith had a better year, but Ngata has been a better player (we are talking about the difference between 1 and 2 here as the flex DT/DE so having either would be great.) Glad to have Smith on the 49ers, even though Ngata is younger.

I think having Patrick higher is the right thing to do. He is so impactful and such an impossible matchup for defenses - even more-so than Smith.
I thought Smith would be a little higher. But moving up 83 spots is pretty good considering he wasn't on the list last year.
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Honestly I think this is about right. I LOVE Smith, and I do think he is comparable to Ngata, but I rate Ngata a little bit higher over the last few years. Is this list just for last season? If it is then I think you could argue that Smith had a better year, but Ngata has been a better player (we are talking about the difference between 1 and 2 here as the flex DT/DE so having either would be great.) Glad to have Smith on the 49ers, even though Ngata is younger.

I think having Patrick higher is the right thing to do. He is so impactful and such an impossible matchup for defenses - even more-so than Smith.

i think 5-10 would have been completely accurate. i think he should have been defensive player of the year last year. i don't think any defensive player including patrick willis had a better overall year. straight up beast of a year. and i'm not saying he's in the top ten best players in the league, that is debateable. but if we're talking just last year, he was as good as anyone.
Originally posted by drunk49er:
can be does not equate to will be. and willis just isn't on the same level ray lewis was at this point in his career.

Lewis was equal the athlete, but his football instincts and skills have always been incredible and what really set him apart. It`s why he is still playing like a pro bowler at age 37. In a 4-3 defense at MLB.
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Honestly I think this is about right. I LOVE Smith, and I do think he is comparable to Ngata, but I rate Ngata a little bit higher over the last few years. Is this list just for last season? If it is then I think you could argue that Smith had a better year, but Ngata has been a better player (we are talking about the difference between 1 and 2 here as the flex DT/DE so having either would be great.) Glad to have Smith on the 49ers, even though Ngata is younger.

I think having Patrick higher is the right thing to do. He is so impactful and such an impossible matchup for defenses - even more-so than Smith.

In no way shape or form has Ngata been better than Smith. Ngata was near invisible most of the year. He is invisible much of the time in years past as well. Smith is never invisible. Smith is a beast and you continually short sell him, I suspect because you watch too much ESPN and not enough line play.
Originally posted by SFrush:
I thought Smith would be a little higher. But moving up 83 spots is pretty good considering he wasn't on the list last year.

Or it just shows how silly the list is in the first place. At best a third or so of teams end up going against these days and even then most offensive guys concentrate on the unit they face and not the other offense and vice versa. Ask the guys on offense in the NFC West who best the defensive lineman in the league is and has been recently and I guarantee the answer is near unanimous outside of maybe some Cards out of sheer hate (didn`t stop them from using 3 OL to block him in 2009 though when we were rushing 4 and it wasn`t just a give up situation) and because they have a couple good linemen as well.