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AJ Jenkins is a 49er

Originally posted by afflecksloverboy:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by afflecksloverboy:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by afflecksloverboy:
Originally posted by jreff22:
We needed a pass rusher and got one in Aldon....we needed a big RZ threat and didnt get one today

so?

that was kind of what every person was complaining about.....remember

there is a reason why people wanted Hill, Fleener, Randle, Streeter..etc etc...a big tall body

were any of them employed by the FO?

Does that matter?

To me it shows that they have 100% faith that Moss will be the guy.....we employed Edwards for that same reason and well....we know how that ended.

"we need" and "what everyone was complaing about" has nothing to do with how the FO makes decisions. you're basically reaching.

Reaching....did we sign a tall fast WR in Moss?
I don't know enough about Jenkins or scouting to make a prediction how this turns out or whether or not there's value but I definetily see what they're trying to accomplish here.

Greg Jennings, Jeremy Maclin. This kind of receiver is a staple to the WCO.

I'm fine with the pick and just hope he lives up to what they see in him. Time to find that guard now.
I don't have a problem with the pick itself....if it fills a need, although I do question if fourth WR is the most urgent need we have. I do have a problem with where we picked him. We should have traded down because this guy was doing to be available for a while.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
The rams probably would've taken Jenkins at 33, they have no weapons for Bradford. I know you don't think he's a red zone threat but he has big hands, long arms, and a 38.5 inch vertical leap. I think he'll do better there than you expect.

I seriously doubt he would've been the pick at 33. We reached.
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Originally posted by WillistheWall:
The rams probably would've taken Jenkins at 33, they have no weapons for Bradford. I know you don't think he's a red zone threat but he has big hands, long arms, and a 38.5 inch vertical leap. I think he'll do better there than you expect.

Yes, I imagine that Baalke was worried about the Rams when it came to trading back. Rams will probably select a WR, and the question is only which one. I think trading back a few spots makes more sense when you view several players about the same. If you think one is better, you are better of taking them without trading down.
Originally posted by jreff22:
I seriously doubt he would've been the pick at 33. We reached.

Rams were rumored to have interest in him in the 2nd.

Rumors are rumors though so who knows.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also, I should say that I very much hope I'm wrong. I understand I'm being bold when I say I don't expect Jenkins to be more than a #3 at least initially.

But let me warn this, to say those who don't like Jenkins are stupid and wrong would presume that Jenkins will automatically be a success and that Baalke will be right on almost every pick he ever makes. That's obviously not realistic.

Around the league, opinions on Jenkins were MASSIVELY VARIED. Most either thought he wasn't that special, or they loved him. I fell into the first category. I thought he was a guy who would provide good depth and play well on STs. I could be wrong and will happily be the first to admit it if I am. I just personally did not like the value. I have had my say in what I expect from Jenkins, but I will never write a player off even if I have tempered expectations for them.

Some players surprise and despite the expectation that they won't carry over their college numbers, they wind up doing well. I have very reserved expectations, but we will see. Hopefully he proves me totally wrong.
To me this is isn't about how good he will or won't be. Even if he ends up being great, if we could have gotten him later then why draft him so early? It just doesn't make sense. Trade down. Or pick someone else and then trade back up to get him where his value lands him. Drafts are all a crapshoot, so the best you can do is try and get the most value at each pick. We did not do that today.

You are assuming that no one would have traded up or drafted him before the Niners, if they traded down. Jenkins may have not been desired by some of you, but insiders say that he was desired by other WR needy teams. Even Baalke said you would be surprised how popular Jenkins was.

If you like a player, take him. If you don't, you may not like the results.

Trading back with the Vikings would of had us draft third in the 2nd round. The Rams will probably take an OL and the Colts will take Fleener....then it would of been us.

Again, that is assuming no one would have traded up for him. No one knows, and no one will ever know, since Jenkins was taken at 30.

So let that "someone else" draft him too high. No reason to reach that far, is all we're saying... I don't understand why that is such a difficult concept to understand. Perhaps the new rookie pay scale is playing into this. Not as much risk for grabbing guys early, so why not if you really like a player.

How is it a reach if that is the value you have on a player? Is it so hard to understand that every team has their own board with their own value placed on a player. It isn't like there is some big objective board that is true for every team. A lot of team's boards had Jenkins high, and the Niners were one of those teams. Seemed to work out last year with a lot of players, Smith, Culliver, Hunter, Miller, perhaps Kilgore. It's only a reach if you are drafting a guy on your board that isn't slotted for that position in the draft.

What people are saying on here is that they don't like Baalke and Harbaugh's board, which is fine. Harb & co. like doubters and like making them eat crow when they are going to NFC Championship games and winning Executive of the Year awards.
[ Edited by RedWaltz24 on Apr 26, 2012 at 11:02 PM ]
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by afflecksloverboy:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by afflecksloverboy:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by afflecksloverboy:
Originally posted by jreff22:
We needed a pass rusher and got one in Aldon....we needed a big RZ threat and didnt get one today

so?

that was kind of what every person was complaining about.....remember

there is a reason why people wanted Hill, Fleener, Randle, Streeter..etc etc...a big tall body

were any of them employed by the FO?

Does that matter?

To me it shows that they have 100% faith that Moss will be the guy.....we employed Edwards for that same reason and well....we know how that ended.

"we need" and "what everyone was complaing about" has nothing to do with how the FO makes decisions. you're basically reaching.

Reaching....did we sign a tall fast WR in Moss?

my argument is regarding your first post in this tree.

listening to MM earlier, he said this was a pick with a look to the future of the WR corp.
Originally posted by kray28:
I don't have a problem with the pick itself....if it fills a need, although I do question if fourth WR is the most urgent need we have. I do have a problem with where we picked him. We should have traded down because this guy was doing to be available for a while.

Moss won't be with the team for that long, we need another receiver to develop that we have long-term plans for. It's possible that we let Crabtree walk as well, and you want a young receiver that's ready to fill those needs.
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Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by mike:
Originally posted by jreff22:
that was kind of what every person was complaining about.....remember

there is a reason why people wanted Hill, Fleener, Randle, Streeter..etc etc...a big tall body

Like I've been saying all offseason, people on here overrate height. Victor Cruz is only 6 feet tall. Manningham isn't tall either. These guys are play-makers and that's what your team needs.

I think I trust someone who watches film and knows how to scout over people who just pick the tall guys and watch 5 minute youtube highlights .

Its not just about height, I agree. The ability to run crisp routes and get separation and have good hands, also helps in scoring.


THIS. All of a sudden if a player isn't 6'4+ he isn't a red zone target. Hands, Route Running and separation are more important than size.
Well with the addition of AJ at least Kyle Williams should be out. Pretty much the most positive spin I can put on this...
He does remind me a little of Jerry Rice the way he runs. This kid is gonna be special.
Reminds me of Torry Holt and could be used similar to a Wes Welker Chain mover type.
Im happy we got a WR to say the least.. it wasnt the typical WR 6 5' 215 LB WR with a 4.4 40" that i wanted but hey. At least this sends a message to our WR's corps that we arent sold on any of them yet and they had better produce otherwise we will keep drafting WR"s until we find some that arent primadonas.
"SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Just for fun, general manager Trent Baalke wrote A.J. Jenkins' name on a piece of paper and put it in an envelope. If all went according to plan, he would be San Francisco's selection with the 30th pick in the NFL draft."

interesting. gotta trust that he really was the mystery crush and was the original pick all along.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/49ers-bolster-receiving-corps-by-drafting-illinois-wideout-aj-jenkins-with-30th-pick/2012/04/26/gIQAFQ5HkT_story.html