Replacing Delanie Walker... Yes or No?

Originally posted by mkmasn:
And my point is, when someone is asked to focus on something, like block, or in Aldon Smith's case, rush the passer, production in other areas drops. A prime example is Vernon Davis when we played under Mike Martz's scheme. Martz used him as a blocker and when it was time to pass it to him, he would drop the ball.

Next year, Aldon Smith will be asked to be a more complete linebacker, so his production in sacks will most likely drop (I hope not).

When you are talking about a player as athletic as Walker, who can line up as TE, WR, FB, OL, and wherever else you want to put him, why would you replace him just because he gets 200 yds. The Giants game was a prime example of what can happen when the coaches choose to use him as a receiving threat (6 catches, 96 yds).

His contract is not expensive, he doesn't cause issues off the field or in the locker room, he's got the team first mindset, and he's a vet who has seen thick and thin with this team. Why draft Fleener or pickup another guy and get rid of Walker, when you could draft Fleener and keep Walker.

I still don't think we should draft Fleener, though, I'm thinking OL or LB (there's going to be 4 or five guys right at the spot for OL, and we all know Baalke won't hesitate to grab a guy slated to go later for another LB... I think Brooks is going to share time on the other side just like we did with Aldon), but we are in a position to pick whoever is on the board at the time.

It's because when he is not blocking, he's only a 6' receiver/target. We can get a much taller player that can block just as well AND be a better receiving target.

We always look for competition.....if Fleener can compete I would be all for drafting him....

I like the guy as much as everyone else. But he is simply overrated by fans. He is a HB. We need a second TE in order for Harbaugh and Roman to get the most out of the two TE sets.

If we could keep him for depth as the third TE/ Backup FB i would definitely do so. But we can and should find an upgrade at the #2 TE position.

Hey I want cf bad.but I like dw 2. I say do it the hb way and let them earn ther spot

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mkmasn:
And my point is, when someone is asked to focus on something, like block, or in Aldon Smith's case, rush the passer, production in other areas drops. A prime example is Vernon Davis when we played under Mike Martz's scheme. Martz used him as a blocker and when it was time to pass it to him, he would drop the ball.

Next year, Aldon Smith will be asked to be a more complete linebacker, so his production in sacks will most likely drop (I hope not).

When you are talking about a player as athletic as Walker, who can line up as TE, WR, FB, OL, and wherever else you want to put him, why would you replace him just because he gets 200 yds. The Giants game was a prime example of what can happen when the coaches choose to use him as a receiving threat (6 catches, 96 yds).

His contract is not expensive, he doesn't cause issues off the field or in the locker room, he's got the team first mindset, and he's a vet who has seen thick and thin with this team. Why draft Fleener or pickup another guy and get rid of Walker, when you could draft Fleener and keep Walker.

I still don't think we should draft Fleener, though, I'm thinking OL or LB (there's going to be 4 or five guys right at the spot for OL, and we all know Baalke won't hesitate to grab a guy slated to go later for another LB... I think Brooks is going to share time on the other side just like we did with Aldon), but we are in a position to pick whoever is on the board at the time.

It's because when he is not blocking, he's only a 6' receiver/target. We can get a much taller player that can block just as well AND be a better receiving target.

Tell that to the Lions.

Originally posted by mkmasn:
Tell that to the Lions.

Was only fitting after he flat-out dropped a touchdown previously.

Look, you don't go out and get one of the greatest receivers of all time and make a play at Manning if you're not going to give the QB enough time to throw the ball. Our OLine needs all the help it can get and Walker has shown he can be a blocking specialist, just like Byham, who we drafted specifically for that reason.

Assuming his leg is 100%, I see Byham and Miller rotating at Fullback.

Byham lead blocking for Brandon Jacobs at the goal line is deadly.

Walker has also proven he can have stellar games receiving, just like in the Giants game. Why would you replace this guy?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Was only fitting after he flat-out dropped a touchdown previously.

I said the same thing about TO

Might not be up to the Niners. The Matts keep saying that Walker wants to be the guy (top TE on his team), and that he would probably be willing to leave to make that happen. Obviously, he would need to leave to make that happen, as VD isn't going anywhere.

I dont think we need to draft a TE with any of our first 3 picks , but we could draft a TE in the 4th and groom him to take Walkers place when he leaves, its obvious Walker wants to be the man and the #1 TE somewhere, so might as well draft his replacement and someone to compete with Nate for the #3 TE Job this year

Originally posted by mkmasn:
Tell that to the Lions.

I already mentioned the Lions. Walker was doing a lot of trap blocks on Suh. Suh's own stupidity and momentum got him screened, which is all Walker did. If Suh used his brain and anticipated the trap, he would have easily dislodged Walker and made the tackles on Gore.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mkmasn:
Tell that to the Lions.

I already mentioned the Lions. Walker was doing a lot of trap blocks on Suh. Suh's own stupidity and momentum got him screened, which is all Walker did. If Suh used his brain and anticipated the trap, he would have easily dislodged Walker and made the tackles on Gore.

and i mentioned the lions regarding the game winner, but if you want talk about his blocking against Suh, it's funny, because for every other team in the league, Suh is a beast... I wonder why he magically became "stupid" during our game.

Originally posted by mkmasn:
and i mentioned the lions regarding the game winner, but if you want talk about his blocking against Suh, it's funny, because for every other team in the league, Suh is a beast... I wonder why he magically became "stupid" during our game.

I remember he just stood there not knowing what to do like a big dummy, Ha. we did bring out the worst in teams.

Originally posted by mkmasn:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mkmasn:
Tell that to the Lions.

I already mentioned the Lions. Walker was doing a lot of trap blocks on Suh. Suh's own stupidity and momentum got him screened, which is all Walker did. If Suh used his brain and anticipated the trap, he would have easily dislodged Walker and made the tackles on Gore.

and i mentioned the lions regarding the game winner, but if you want talk about his blocking against Suh, it's funny, because for every other team in the league, Suh is a beast... I wonder why he magically became "stupid" during our game.

I am really against all these defenses for a player using a handful of plays while the overall production is below average. If he were so great at moving the chains, he would be our go-to guy on 3rd downs and in the red zone.

As for the bold, I'm sure Delanie didn't use any mind power or hit the smarts out of Suh. I'm sure the game plan and design had more to do with that than did Walker.

I have never seen a fan base so invested in what the team does with their #2 TE. Who really cares? Who ever it is he will max out at 30 catches anyways. It is better to have versatility out of your second tight end which is why Delanie Walker fits so well in his role.

Originally posted by DirtyP:
I have never seen a fan base so invested in what the team does with their #2 TE. Who really cares? Who ever it is he will max out at 30 catches anyways. It is better to have versatility out of your second tight end which is why Delanie Walker fits so well in his role.

Those 40 catches could contain 15 TDs and 30 catches on 3rd downs to get 1st downs. Getting the right player could improve our weakest areas.