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Gregg Williams wanted to seriously injure all our players (audio on first post)

Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Robert:
Originally posted by susweel:
Just stop it already. We know football is violent but you have to play in the rules and paying people to intentionally hurt people is not in the rules.

Not true. Nothing in the NFL rules makes it a violation to hurt a player. The rules are all based on what the does, not on whether another player is injured as a result of them. You never hear "15 yard penalty for breaking players leg" or for "knocking a player out". If it's "clean" violence. And no action Williams advocated was "unclean". The only thing against the rules is their silly bounty system and obstruction of an investigation, which is why the league based its discipline off of those. The league could not penalize the Saints for being too violent, because there is no rule against it.
Of course people are gonna get hurt during the course of a game its a violent sport. Williams was telling them to take out Crabtrees ACL, you dont think there is something wrong with that?
I swear some people were born without any sense of honor or integrity. You can be a bad ass football player, respected and feared, without being an as**ole. You don't poke people in the eye under the pile. You don't knee someone in the balls. You don't taunt them about their wife with cancer. Have some f*cking class! I think this is totally comparable to boxing: you are trying to knock the other guy unconscious but you don't hit below the belt or headbutt and when it is over your walk away with respect in your heart for your fellow warrior. "getting away with whatever you can" is f*cking filthy and I honestly wouldn't want to live with that philosophy. Being a cynic doesn't make you cool.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Purposely trying to take a guys ACL out isnt football

Depends on what generation you're from, how badly you want to win and the price you're willing to pay for winning. Romantically, I see your point....practically speaking, this stuff happens more than we the fans care to know.

It's like the financial meltdown (or the steriod era or any other cheating scandal), so much of what happened was illegal, but the motivation to win/create wealth led people to systematically/operationally do bad things. It's wrong, but it's also a reality given the stakes and if people in these dynamic environments aren't cheating, they're not staying ahead.

i think you're the one speaking romantically.

That explains the erection I got while reading his post
I'm glad he's with the Rams. We need to add a little enthusiasm to those games. They've become pretty dull over the years.
The saints D was soft as s**t. LOL. He deserves what he gets, but other than that i dont care.

The dirtiest part was the pile part.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Purposely trying to take a guys ACL out isnt football

Depends on what generation you're from, how badly you want to win and the price you're willing to pay for winning. Romantically, I see your point....practically speaking, this stuff happens more than we the fans care to know.

It's like the financial meltdown (or the steriod era or any other cheating scandal), so much of what happened was illegal, but the motivation to win/create wealth led people to systematically/operationally do bad things. It's wrong, but it's also a reality given the stakes and if people in these dynamic environments aren't cheating, they're not staying ahead.

i think you're the one speaking romantically.

That explains the erection I got while reading his post

Then my work is done here!

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Now I don't blame coaches for being so secretive with injury reports.

That is what I was thinking.
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Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Purposely trying to take a guys ACL out isnt football

Depends on what generation you're from, how badly you want to win and the price you're willing to pay for winning. Romantically, I see your point....practically speaking, this stuff happens more than we the fans care to know.

It's like the financial meltdown (or the steriod era or any other cheating scandal), so much of what happened was illegal, but the motivation to win/create wealth led people to systematically/operationally do bad things. It's wrong, but it's also a reality given the stakes and if people in these dynamic environments aren't cheating, they're not staying ahead.

i think you're the one speaking romantically.

That explains the erection I got while reading his post

Then my work is done here!


Originally posted by Robert:
Wait! So, you're saying football is an intentionally violent game where players try to hurt opposing players and coaches encourage players through coaching and speeches to hurt opposing players?!?! Unbelieveable! I refuse to believe this!

You mean all those highlight reel hits that swell viewship for big networks, ESPN and the NFL Network, swell ad money that ultimately swell players bank accounts, actually takes a physical toll on the player getting hit?!?! This is horrible! I'm shocked!

What should we do? I know, let's fake outrage. Quietly rejoice that it was not our team that got caught. Single out the unlucky few caught. Act like it's not one of the pillars of the entire product. Disproportionately punish the few caught. Get the media to turn off the spotlight. Keep indirect bounties (players rewarded for "intimidating" play with big contracts) of course and indirect motivational speeches directed toward "physical" "beat people up" play, of course.

I could get it if this were janists complaining about the violence of football and the encouragement of violence. They at least have a theoretically non-hypocritical platform from which to judge this media circus. But I don't get how football fans can act shocked / appalled by the very nature of the sport they claim to love....

No. We're singling out (and rightly so) the stupid few who were suspected, warned, then lied to cover-up, then were caught after doing nothing to change their behavior. If you place the Gregg Williams audio from barely two months ago in the timeline context of an on-going two year investigation by NFL Security it's clear this guy is an arrogant scumbag who needs to be "Pete Rosed".
Originally posted by BSofSF:
There's nothing honorable about cheating. With the nature of the game there is ample opportunity to lay the wood in a clean and legal way. Players who try to hurt other players with cheap shots are not manly. The new rules make it tougher, for sure. What was legal in Ronnie Lott's day might be illegal today. But intential cheap shots with the intent of injuring another player is more exemplary of weakness than manliness. Earl Campbell and Jim Brown did not have to take cheap shots on the opposition to demonstrate their physical dominance. Same for Justin Smith. He is just a powerful beast of a man playing within the rules.

Talking about Ronnie Lott: wasn't he giving the pep talk to the Saints defense right before the game against the 49ers in 2010. Now given the Gregg Williams' scandal, that talk smells a bit worse, IMHO.
Damn talk about eat your words, its like the Saints heard everything he said and did the exact opposite lol.

The Saints are on my lifetime s**t list. I mean could you guys even imagine Patrick Willis doing something so bush league under the pile?
A couple of things come to mind. #1 Jim Harbaugh has somehow/someway managed to piss off Peyton and the Saints otherwise they would not have come out fuming mad in the preseason game. It had to be something more than not calling Peyton to talk about the preseason game. Doubt we'll ever know what happened but Harbaugh must have said something that pissed them off.

#2 Regardless if you are pissed off or not, how stupid is it to put a bounty against the team with the best defense in the entire league? Can you say stupid? The Niners are not idiots. If the Saints are taking cheap shots repleatedly, we'll figure this out and start putting the hurt on their offensive players. As they say, pay back is a b***h. So you are really jeopardizing your own offensive players in the process of trying to hurt the Niners. Dumb!

The funniest part of that game is that KW layed a beter hit on will smith than any saints defender laid on any Niner.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Apr 5, 2012 at 2:51 PM ]
That man should never coach another player as long as he lives, pro, college, high school, pop warner, nothin. If Roger Goodell allows him to ever coach another NFL game he should be fired. After this tape, I don't see him even being allowed in another stadium. What a sorry a$$ (and I'll use his favorite word) motherf&*4er!