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49ers sign QB Josh Johnson

Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
and this was going to be plan B if Alex left.....lol

Jim is a great coach but tihs thought that he can take anybody and make them effective is retarded. If that was the case we wouldnt of signed JJ, Jim's super hero QB powers would make Kap and Tolz magical.

But he's already done it with this guy at the college level..... The kid shattered records at SD state, didn't he?

College level....not NFL. And getting coached up to play the position better....really? What the hell did Jim do with him in college...tutor him in math? The kid has had Jim for multiple years in college and has had professional QB coaches for quite some time. Not every kid that study's under a specific coach will be good. A lot of people expect way too much from Jim and its going to disappoint people when reality hits, he is a great coach not a miracle worker. The position is not plug and play because Jim has a "QB friendly system", The QB himself has to have some form of talent to be effective, these guys at this point aren't little balls of clay waiting to be molded. Do I trust Jim in the QB department yes I do, do I expect him to make every guy good no way in hell.

Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by susweel:
I for one am not excited about JJ signing with us. I also wouldn't be shocked if he got cut in training camp, the financial commitment they made to him is not significant.

i'm excited because of his familiarity with Harbaugh and the fact that his presence could push everyone at the position. he might not be very good at the NFL level, but he is legitimate competition for Kaep and Tolzien, and if they elevate their play to beat out JJ, then they will become better competition for Smith, who must elevate his play, etc. and, who knows, JJ might surprise people and push Smith too.

But yeah, I don't think he's anything more than competition, backup material, and I agree that I won't be surprised if he fails to make the final roster.

I dont know why but this part made me laugh. I usually agree with you though, so...

THIS

Originally posted by Marvin49:
If he thought he could make anybody effective than he wouldn't have bothered going after Manning.

All he sees in Josh is a kid with tools who has a chance. He has ALOT of work to do, but he has a chance. He also know the kid because he coached him with great success.

You will pardon me if I trust Harbaugh a bit more than I trust you.

The anybody effective mantra has been used around here by posters claiming that if we lost on Manning and Smith, Jim can just...I don't know fix it with anybody. A chance for what, to remain a backup.....that's great and all but Jim will be working with Alex and Kap more because they are priority 1 and 2. Just because he coached him in college doesn't mean a lot to me, the kid has always been a backup. Jim just coached Alex with great success..and apparently it didn't matter.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
and this was going to be plan B if Alex left.....lol

Jim is a great coach but tihs thought that he can take anybody and make them effective is retarded. If that was the case we wouldnt of signed JJ, Jim's super hero QB powers would make Kap and Tolz magical.

But he's already done it with this guy at the college level..... The kid shattered records at SD state, didn't he?

College level....not NFL. And getting coached up to play the position better....really? What the hell did Jim do with him in college...tutor him in math? The kid has had Jim for multiple years in college and has had professional QB coaches for quite some time. Not every kid that study's under a specific coach will be good. A lot of people expect way too much from Jim and its going to disappoint people when reality hits, he is a great coach not a miracle worker. The position is not plug and play because Jim has a "QB friendly system", The QB himself has to have some form of talent to be effective, these guys at this point aren't little balls of clay waiting to be molded. Do I trust Jim in the QB department yes I do, do I expect him to make every guy good no way in hell.

Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.
He used the west coast in Tampa Bay also and he struggled against better caliber of players than he faced at division 1AA San Diego, and before you say it was a different system then Harbaugh I give you this nugget


When you look at 49ers offense, how similar is it to the University of San Diego?
"It's still West Coast offense. Some things have changed with terminology and formations, but I've also played in different forms of West Coast offense since I've been in the NFL, as well. Some things have changed from San Diego. I feel like it's just about changing over the language in my mind and putting it all back into this offense, which is kind of what I did in college. The concepts are pretty similar from what we did, so it's about getting the language down and understanding what our game plans are going to be about.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
and this was going to be plan B if Alex left.....lol

Jim is a great coach but tihs thought that he can take anybody and make them effective is retarded. If that was the case we wouldnt of signed JJ, Jim's super hero QB powers would make Kap and Tolz magical.

But he's already done it with this guy at the college level..... The kid shattered records at SD state, didn't he?

College level....not NFL. And getting coached up to play the position better....really? What the hell did Jim do with him in college...tutor him in math? The kid has had Jim for multiple years in college and has had professional QB coaches for quite some time. Not every kid that study's under a specific coach will be good. A lot of people expect way too much from Jim and its going to disappoint people when reality hits, he is a great coach not a miracle worker. The position is not plug and play because Jim has a "QB friendly system", The QB himself has to have some form of talent to be effective, these guys at this point aren't little balls of clay waiting to be molded. Do I trust Jim in the QB department yes I do, do I expect him to make every guy good no way in hell.

Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.
He used the west coast in Tampa Bay also and he struggled against better caliber of players than he faced at division 1AA San Diego, and before you say it was a different system then Harbaugh I give you this nugget


When you look at 49ers offense, how similar is it to the University of San Diego?
"It's still West Coast offense. Some things have changed with terminology and formations, but I've also played in different forms of West Coast offense since I've been in the NFL, as well. Some things have changed from San Diego. I feel like it's just about changing over the language in my mind and putting it all back into this offense, which is kind of what I did in college. The concepts are pretty similar from what we did, so it's about getting the language down and understanding what our game plans are going to be about.

The West Coast Offense is a VERY broad description. You can look at 2 offenses and have no freakin' clue that they are the same at their base.

ALl the West Coast Offense is really is a terminology and a method of installing and practicing the plays. People all seem to think its about short passing (and it can be), but it's really about flexability and to counter whatever the D is doing at any given time.

In other words. Harbaugh version of the WCO and Shanahans version are NOT the same. The version run in Tampa is NOT THE SAME.

We are really kinda going in circles here tho.

Only time will tell here. I think that Johnson is a good pickup. I'm not syaing he's set the world on fire, but he is a good pickup with a chance. I also think that Luck will struggle.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Mar 23, 2012 at 2:14 PM ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.

Whats the point the kid knows the system...so does Tavita Pritchard. It's QB friendly aaaaaaaand what?

Are you expecting him to push for the starting spot?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.

Whats the point the kid knows the system...so does Tavita Pritchard. It's QB friendly aaaaaaaand what?

Are you expecting him to push for the starting spot?


Come on Jeff I know he's not Alex but give the kid a chance.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.

Whats the point the kid knows the system...so does Tavita Pritchard. It's QB friendly aaaaaaaand what?

Are you expecting him to push for the starting spot?


Come on Jeff I know he's not Alex but give the kid a chance.

yup. buncha jj haters on here.
First, Jim aint taking just "anybody" and putting them into his system, he is taking NFL quality talent and putting it in his system. So the thinking is if you give Jim H. a QB with a good arm, good brains, good motivation and work ethic, he can coach that player up to be successful within the system by ironing out mistakes and improving on technique. What happens after the snap all depends on the individual. But what Harbaugh has shown every where he's gone is that he can put a player in the best position to succeed after the snap. That's the fans mantra, and until Jim find a QB he cant coach up... so far it's just the truth.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.

Whats the point the kid knows the system...so does Tavita Pritchard. It's QB friendly aaaaaaaand what?

Are you expecting him to push for the starting spot?

Who knows. Probably not this year.

He's a young player with potential to be good and he HAS been good in the sytem before.

I'm not arguing that "we just got our superstar QB". I'm just saying he has POTENTIAL to be more than just a backup and that I think it's a good signing.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
and this was going to be plan B if Alex left.....lol

Jim is a great coach but tihs thought that he can take anybody and make them effective is retarded. If that was the case we wouldnt of signed JJ, Jim's super hero QB powers would make Kap and Tolz magical.

But he's already done it with this guy at the college level..... The kid shattered records at SD state, didn't he?


University of san diego not san diego state, which is a big difference...USD plays teams like drake and evansville, not exactly big league competition
Originally posted by 5280High:
First, Jim aint taking just "anybody" and putting them into his system, he is taking NFL quality talent and putting it in his system. So the thinking is if you give Jim H. a QB with a good arm, good brains, good motivation and work ethic, he can coach that player up to be successful within the system by ironing out mistakes and improving on technique. What happens after the snap all depends on the individual. But what Harbaugh has shown every where he's gone is that he can put a player in the best position to succeed after the snap. That's the fans mantra, and until Jim find a QB he cant coach up... so far it's just the truth.

Correct. He's looking for specific things. It's not just "I can take any QB". He is looking for specific things (and he's not letting on what they are). He's coached JJ and he thinks he at least has enough of them to bring him in and give him a shot.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
and this was going to be plan B if Alex left.....lol

Jim is a great coach but tihs thought that he can take anybody and make them effective is retarded. If that was the case we wouldnt of signed JJ, Jim's super hero QB powers would make Kap and Tolz magical.

But he's already done it with this guy at the college level..... The kid shattered records at SD state, didn't he?

College level....not NFL. And getting coached up to play the position better....really? What the hell did Jim do with him in college...tutor him in math? The kid has had Jim for multiple years in college and has had professional QB coaches for quite some time. Not every kid that study's under a specific coach will be good. A lot of people expect way too much from Jim and its going to disappoint people when reality hits, he is a great coach not a miracle worker. The position is not plug and play because Jim has a "QB friendly system", The QB himself has to have some form of talent to be effective, these guys at this point aren't little balls of clay waiting to be molded. Do I trust Jim in the QB department yes I do, do I expect him to make every guy good no way in hell.

Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.

exactly. not all west coast offenses are the same. harbaugh obviously knows what hes doing, he likes QBs that have the threat of running as well as throwing. johnson and Kap are similar in their abilities. whhy not bring in two young QBs with similar sets of skills to groom while you already have a starter? harbaughs system seems to be very qb friendly based on how smith picked it up and im expecting some fireworks this year from our offense. just wait it out, everything harbaugh has done so far paid off.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Missing the point.

It's not just learning from Harbaugh. It's his SYSTEM.

The same system that had produced Andrew Luck and Alex Smiths best season (by far) as a pro.

The SYSTEM is very QB friendly and Josh is already familiar with it.

An example of what I'm talking about? They don't use hot reads. They use a different strategy to couter blitzes.

Whats the point the kid knows the system...so does Tavita Pritchard. It's QB friendly aaaaaaaand what?

Are you expecting him to push for the starting spot?

Who knows. Probably not this year.

He's a young player with potential to be good and he HAS been good in the sytem before.

I'm not arguing that "we just got our superstar QB". I'm just saying he has POTENTIAL to be more than just a backup and that I think it's a good signing.

He was good against inferior competition, that doesn't give me reason to think he will be good against NFL level competition which so far he hasn't been. You aren't saying it outright but I know what you are thinking and eluding to, you think he will be the starter in 2 years. If this kid was some kind of hidden gem I'm sure Jim would of made Trent trade for him last year, which he dint. He is familiar with the system which makes him a great camp arm but I think you are looking into this way to deep. Every new QB that comes to this team people go crazy for.... JTO, Hill, Troy, Kap, Tolz, JJ and the list will continue later on. I just don't get the excitement for a 3rd string guy.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Drus, with a terrific HC/OC/QB coach, I think just the opposite. I believe alex will play so well this yr that they will want to securely lock him up. Plus, we start this season with alex finally having the same HC /OC/QB coach that he had last yr, and that's a first for him. I don't think it accidental that the first yr alex has the proper and stable coaching, plus excellent team around him, that he played so well. His QB rating, for the record was basically within a point of Peyton's last full season, around 91for both...at about half the cost. Not comparing alex to peyton, but valuewise, we would have made an exceptionally bad deal with Peyton. Fortunately, it didn't occur. The other thing is way before season was over, alex had for receivers: Vernon, williams, and craps. That's it. Zippo except for vernon. This season he has Mario, vernon, moss, williams, craps, walker, and probably 3 or 4 WRs thru draft and UDFA. Man there is a lot of stuff around him right now that just wasn't there last season. My guess is for alex to have a helluva season this yr, assuming we can plug in the OG, which was problematic last yr. I bet that is fixed by opening day. Alex's future is all in his own hands. My hunch is he takes it and runs with it. The D will be better, we got ginn back, the OL will be better minus rachal and snyder...jeez, if alex doesn't shine with all this abundance, I would be amazed. Remember, draft hasn't even started yet.

His key to success? Learning how to do his sequential reads faster, and more importantly, the OC calling quick slants and outs that move the chains. Quick as in
hike it and sling it. One steppers. That alone would have raised alex's QBR last yr by 10 pts. And that was an OC problem, not alex.

Paso...your lips to gods ears! I would love nothing more than to see Alex prove me so wrong that I purchase a #11 jersey!!! I think we can all agree on one thing though.....WE ROOT FOR THE NAME ON THE FRONT OF THE JERSEY!!!! LETS GOOO!!!