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FA WR -- can 49ers attract the right guy??

Given that the 49ers have:
A. Already declared the Moss experiment, and
B. Have Crabtree as their #1 or #2
C. Have a conservative offense by most perceptions
D. Have ASmith as a QB (not being critical of ASmith!!!)

Are the 49ers at a disadvantage trying to attract receiving talent?? Wouldn't Lloyd, Royal, Manningham, etc, prefer to go somewhere where they can at least foresee themselves as being the lock for the #2 spot? For example, why would Manningham want to leave playing behind Nicks and Cruz only to be behind Moss and Crabs?

I sure the staff is selling that the competition is wide open and that passing is going to be a bigger part of the plan, but...

Thoughts?
I really don't feel the right guy is, or has been out there. Every guy out there has question marks. I just think we are being smart and not over paying for someone who is not known as a true #1. Were looking to upgrade the position, not solidify it, because there is no one that fits that role.

My 2 cents.
I think Manningham or Lloyd would lock in at 2. I think Manningham would prefer money and to be a #1.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I really don't feel the right guy is, or has been out there. Every guy out there has question marks. I just think we are being smart and not over paying for someone who is not known as a true #1. Were looking to upgrade the position, not solidify it, because there is no one that fits that role.

My 2 cents.

I agree. Sign Schillins to fill the 3rs or 4th spot and draft a guy with high potential whithin the first two rounds.
I don't think Randy Moss deters any receiver that isn't a deep threat/one trick pony from wanting to sign here. I think there's a clear void at a starting receiver across from Crabtree, a void that is still there with the signing of Moss. In my eyes he won't be a starter. He'll see about 30% of the snaps as a rotational receiver. As for Manningham or Lloyd being the #2 to Crabs, I think Lloyd is actually a better fit because he has the resume to actually assume the #1 role over Crabs, so paying him more than Crabtree is tenable. Crabtree couldn't (or at least shouldn't) be upset in any way if a guy who has actually lead the league in receiving receives a contract in excess of his. I could see him being disgruntled if Manningham - a number 3 for most of his career - were to receive more in salary than him, which is almost certainly what Manningham is looking for, as he'll want to paid comparatively to Garcon and Laurent Robinson and Meachem, and he has every reason to believe he should be paid on par with those players. The problem is all those guys were overpaid which makes Manningham's contract definitely at least 6 mil per year (more than Crabs I believe). It'd be a real testament to the FO to get him for less. However, I think the sales pitch to any potential starting receiver, Crabtree included, is that in this system "there is no #1," only an X and a Z. Which in essence is just politically correct bullsh**, but that's what they'll say both publicly and privately.
They'll get a 2nd tier guy to sign, then they'll draft somebody they like in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

The 49ers are NOT going to overpay anybody. Period.
[ Edited by FILTHpigskin on Mar 15, 2012 at 3:42 PM ]
If the 9ers cant get the right fit in FA they'll look to the draft, any young rookie would love to be slot and learning the ropes off someone like Moss.
promise of a bj usually works
Crab starts and next to him will be either Moss, a rookie or a vet (whoever wins camp battle). We're not at a disadvantage. We ran a vanilla offense last year and even VD didn't pick up the offense til week 10. We all know what he did after that.
Trade Willis for Megatron
So I posted this info in the Morgan thread a couple of days ago...

Most teams have a # 1 and # 2 receiver that was targeted over 100 times. Several teams have 3 receivers that were targeted around 100 times. The Niners though... We had 1 receiver targeted over 100 times, our number 2 was much lower (in the 80's I think) and our #3, #4, and #5 targets were targeted around 30 - 35 times each.

Crabs was our #1 target and VD was our second most targeted receiver; therefore, our #2 WR was only thrown to apx 35 times. The # 3 and # 4 WRs #s only go down from there...

Why would any receiver trying to make a name for himself come here to be our #4 or #5 guy? He's not going to get many opportunities after Crabs (1), VD(2), and Moss(3). Our best option for another WR now is the Draft!
[ Edited by D_Niner on Mar 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM ]
I think a real #1 receiver wouldn't be worried about Crabs. A guy like Wallace would be confident enough to think he'd come in and become # 1.

None of the other receivers mentioned, Lloyd, Manningham is a true #1 IMO. The only one I can think of still available is Wallace in FA.

Baalke/JH will NOT go "all in" for a player who isn't worth it. They won't overpay like we did for Clements years ago.

I still like Royal -as a 3rd/KO return.

Getting & developing a WR in the draft seems logical at this point. Maybe someone w/Moss's measurables who can copy Randy's style?
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I really don't feel the right guy is, or has been out there. Every guy out there has question marks. I just think we are being smart and not over paying for someone who is not known as a true #1. Were looking to upgrade the position, not solidify it, because there is no one that fits that role.

My 2 cents.

I agree. Sign Schillins to fill the 3rs or 4th spot and draft a guy with high potential whithin the first two rounds.

This is almost certainly what will happen, and I personally think it's the best move for the team. Schillens will help us in the two areas we need most, 3rd down and RZ, and Moss will provide a vertical element we haven't had. Neither will be a true starter. We'll bring in a relatively high draft pick that probably has similar measurable to Crabs (like a Josh Morgan) to play across from him. I personally hope that someone is Kendall Wright, but Marvin Jones in the second would suit my fancy as well. Or trade back to take Sanu in the early second.
I think/hope they don't make a splash on any of the remaining recievers. Most of the "Top Tier" guys were unproven or no.2's anyway.

I'm happy to stick with the draft. I hope we pick up Coby Fleener @ 30 and someone like Tommy Streeter or Rueben Randle in the 2nd... we may need to sacrifice a 3rd or 4th to move up? Then look after depth on the DL, OLB, S & C/G.... BPA.

Look for undrafted RB's for short yard backs & pick up a starter in 2013.
Looks to me like they're being careful in their approach. Vince Jackson's ridiculous contract set the market, so you already know that most of these guys are looking for some serious cash. Manningham I think would be a great fit but we could potentially land Royal for a much more reasonable price. He doubles as a return man too. Moss is too good to not be on the field so I think he "starts," meaning listed as the #2 behind Crabs, but I think that position will see a lot of rotation.