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Do you believe the 49er will sign a true #1 WR AND a high draft pick as #2 WR?

Do you believe the 49er will sign a true #1 WR AND a high draft pick as #2 WR?

Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We are Niners fans with Jerry Rice defining the #1 receiver position. So it's strange to me that somehow to think in terms of not having a #1 receiver on the team. But going off this year with Harbaugh, the offensive passing game was mostly off of playaction. A safe take what they give you type of offense. Whitner confirmed this. So improving the receiver core without having a true #1 receiver makes a lot of sense in the Harbaugh offense that we have seen. I think Harbaugh and Roman can swing either way for next year depends on what Baalke can get them.

If Baalke can some how get a couple of very good WR talent to the team, they might do a 180 and be a passing team, especially with the possible decline of Frank. If not, the passing game will still be playaction based and safe. I think we might end up some where in between.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying here based on the past season. However, I believe we may have seen quite a different offense if Edwards would have stayed healthy. If you really think about it, the signing of Edwards was a BIG move. The guy had been a top 5 draft choice and had been very productive although inconsistent. JH felt his personal relationship with the kid's family would be enough to turn him around but that failed. Had he played like he can play, he would have been a solid #1.

What I take from that is that Jim Harbaugh clearly knows this team needs a true #1 and they will attempt to get that player for the upcoming season. I just don't think they will spend the money on a FA. I believe they will use the #30 and a 3rd or 4th on one of the speedy smurfs that are out there. Would not be surprised it was Joe Adams in the 3rd with the first round pick being Fleener or perhaps Randle, though they may be both gone by #30.

That's not true. Harbaugh knew that this team needed more of a jump-ball guy. If Braylon wanted more money, we would not have signed him. We got him for cheap which was the main reason he was picked up.

There's only about 10 true #1 WR's in the league, if even that. Calling for a #1 WR is not different than calling for a QB like Drew Brees.
That is your opinion. I fully disagree. Harbaugh knows the critical importance of a top level wide out going all the way back to his days at Indy with Marvin Harrison. Watch and see. They will make a move to solve that need, more likely in the draft than FA though.

No harm in acquiring a top WR but our 40+ sacks by the OL (even though most were on the road) also points directly to a need. However, don't expect us to throw money at a "#1 WR." Not worth the money to acquire someone who will probably barely get 1000 if he's mostly the primary target. Most of these guys get 1000-1200 yards while being targeted around 140 or so times. Not gonna happen on the 49ers considering our own #1 was targeted 114 times this year and our "#1" last year was targeted 101 times for 741 and our #2 was targets 80 times for 698. Now imagine if in 2010, Crabs and Morgan were targets 140 and 110 each. Crabs would have 1000 and Morgan would be right there with them.

It doesn't make sense to throw money at a WR who's production will probably drop in this offense. WE can get what we desire in the draft and use him for specific purposes during his development year.

RE: OL need. I have posted numerous times around here that if the BPA at #30 is a guard like Cordy Glenn rather than a WR, then that should be the choice. Snyder did a decent job last year but got pushed back far too often. Goodwin's weakness is also inadequate strength to hold off a strong rusher in the middle. The front of the pocket collapsed too soon and too often last season. We must solve that problem in one of the first two picks. Whichever one isn't met with #30, it will be met with the next pick.

Agree. I don't mind getting help in the big play or scoring category, but money in FA for a WR isn't necessary. I would rather go OL in round 1 or WR. I just feel we can acquire a raw talent at WR in mid to late rounds for what we desire and use him with limited responsibility but maximum advantage per talent during his developmental year.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Rather than start another thread, here's a question for the overwhelming majority who think Coach H and Baalke will NOT pay top dollar for a FA #1 WR, nor get a top #2 WR in draft, as the cost is too high.

Do you think B&H WILL get a #1 WR via FA and a #2WR via draft by trading up IF, IF we could do so by spending say only $4 mil more/yr on #1WR and trade up for one of our guys(craps) going in trade elsewhere? Here's the idea. Trading craps saves $4.25 mil/yr(or thereabout) and that would allow us to get an $8 or $9 mil/yr FA WR for net incr of $4.5 mil/yr, not an exorbinant amt of money for a #1 WR. By trading craps we could then move up the board to get a legitimate #2WR, and then Morgan becomes #3(vs competition from a bunch of UDFA or late rd WRs). So trading our current #1 and his salary, who has played like a #4 , would allow us to get a FA #1 WR and also then trade up for a legitimate #2 WR. To round things out kyle could be a # 4, and ginn a #5, knowing that in the late rds or UDFAs, Coach H and Baalke may very well find us a better #3 than morgan and /or a better #4 than kyle...and for not much money. Ques isn't do you like the idea, but do you think B& H would do that?

For the large majority of you who think the two acquisitions are too expensive, here is a way to do it for a net incr of $4.5mil/yr. Yes, we will have to pay more $$ for the #2WR but we would have spent that money on someone anyway. It would mean trading craps, but could be a workable solution to affording a #1 and #2 WR, which we bascially just have to have if we want to win it all next yr.
I hope so, to answer your question. But it remains to be seen if Baalke and JH feel the same about Crabs as we do, the two aren't really letting any info out about it. If you believes, like you and I do, that Crabs is no better than a #3 receiver (and has played to that effect) then the WR hole is more glaring. If you think that Crabs is a decent #2 and our best WR then trading him is irrational. Trading/packaging him would be my ideal scenario. It favors our cap. I just don't know if Baalke will actually pull the trigger on a trade up though, not that I'm against it. But we need to deal with this WR hole this year.
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's not true. Harbaugh knew that this team needed more of a jump-ball guy. If Braylon wanted more money, we would not have signed him. We got him for cheap which was the main reason he was picked up.

There's only about 10 true #1 WR's in the league, if even that. Calling for a #1 WR is not different than calling for a QB like Drew Brees.



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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
We'll pick up some has-been or never-was in FA and draft a WR with our first and a couple in the later rounds.

we getting this d00t



I want Wallace or VJax and that's it.
Shouldn't someone get it in his head that Hakeem Nicks was drafted towards the end of the same round as him and has performed much much better??

Looking back, I wanna know why Crabtree was valued much higher than Nicks??
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We are Niners fans with Jerry Rice defining the #1 receiver position. So it's strange to me that somehow to think in terms of not having a #1 receiver on the team. But going off this year with Harbaugh, the offensive passing game was mostly off of playaction. A safe take what they give you type of offense. Whitner confirmed this. So improving the receiver core without having a true #1 receiver makes a lot of sense in the Harbaugh offense that we have seen. I think Harbaugh and Roman can swing either way for next year depends on what Baalke can get them.

If Baalke can some how get a couple of very good WR talent to the team, they might do a 180 and be a passing team, especially with the possible decline of Frank. If not, the passing game will still be playaction based and safe. I think we might end up some where in between.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying here based on the past season. However, I believe we may have seen quite a different offense if Edwards would have stayed healthy. If you really think about it, the signing of Edwards was a BIG move. The guy had been a top 5 draft choice and had been very productive although inconsistent. JH felt his personal relationship with the kid's family would be enough to turn him around but that failed. Had he played like he can play, he would have been a solid #1.

What I take from that is that Jim Harbaugh clearly knows this team needs a true #1 and they will attempt to get that player for the upcoming season. I just don't think they will spend the money on a FA. I believe they will use the #30 and a 3rd or 4th on one of the speedy smurfs that are out there. Would not be surprised it was Joe Adams in the 3rd with the first round pick being Fleener or perhaps Randle, though they may be both gone by #30.

That's not true. Harbaugh knew that this team needed more of a jump-ball guy. If Braylon wanted more money, we would not have signed him. We got him for cheap which was the main reason he was picked up.

There's only about 10 true #1 WR's in the league, if even that. Calling for a #1 WR is not different than calling for a QB like Drew Brees.
That is your opinion. I fully disagree. Harbaugh knows the critical importance of a top level wide out going all the way back to his days at Indy with Marvin Harrison. Watch and see. They will make a move to solve that need, more likely in the draft than FA though.

No harm in acquiring a top WR but our 40+ sacks by the OL (even though most were on the road) also points directly to a need. However, don't expect us to throw money at a "#1 WR." Not worth the money to acquire someone who will probably barely get 1000 if he's mostly the primary target. Most of these guys get 1000-1200 yards while being targeted around 140 or so times. Not gonna happen on the 49ers considering our own #1 was targeted 114 times this year and our "#1" last year was targeted 101 times for 741 and our #2 was targets 80 times for 698. Now imagine if in 2010, Crabs and Morgan were targets 140 and 110 each. Crabs would have 1000 and Morgan would be right there with them.

It doesn't make sense to throw money at a WR who's production will probably drop in this offense. WE can get what we desire in the draft and use him for specific purposes during his development year.

RE: OL need. I have posted numerous times around here that if the BPA at #30 is a guard like Cordy Glenn rather than a WR, then that should be the choice. Snyder did a decent job last year but got pushed back far too often. Goodwin's weakness is also inadequate strength to hold off a strong rusher in the middle. The front of the pocket collapsed too soon and too often last season. We must solve that problem in one of the first two picks. Whichever one isn't met with #30, it will be met with the next pick.

Agree. I don't mind getting help in the big play or scoring category, but money in FA for a WR isn't necessary. I would rather go OL in round 1 or WR. I just feel we can acquire a raw talent at WR in mid to late rounds for what we desire and use him with limited responsibility but maximum advantage per talent during his developmental year.
i hope we get a WR, DL or BEAST OG for the other side in the first.
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Shouldn't someone get it in his head that Hakeem Nicks was drafted towards the end of the same round as him and has performed much much better??

Looking back, I wanna know why Crabtree was valued much higher than Nicks??

Please stop now. Crabtree would ball out in NY. Manning >>>>>>>>> Smith.
Originally posted by Furlow:
This is where he can definitely improve. It's well documented that he has not had a lot of enthusiasm in working with Smith. Hopefully Smith's success this year will entice Crabtree to reach out and put in extra work with him. There are so many layers that go into a successful offensive system, and certainly the personal chemistry between a QB and WR is one of them. I hope he starts to feed off of the team first attitude that guys like Smith and Davis have.


Yes, working with the QB you play with during the season is a lot more important than work back home in Texas with buddies. Also, I understand his hesitancy in working with Rice but he should man up, get some confidence and take Jerry's advice and help. Why not work with the best in history? Get over yourself Michael and become the WR we all want you to be!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
This is where he can definitely improve. It's well documented that he has not had a lot of enthusiasm in working with Smith. Hopefully Smith's success this year will entice Crabtree to reach out and put in extra work with him. There are so many layers that go into a successful offensive system, and certainly the personal chemistry between a QB and WR is one of them. I hope he starts to feed off of the team first attitude that guys like Smith and Davis have.


Yes, working with the QB you play with during the season is a lot more important than work back home in Texas with buddies. Also, I understand his hesitancy in working with Rice but he should man up, get some confidence and take Jerry's advice and help. Why not work with the best in history? Get over yourself Michael and become the WR we all want you to be!
Don't hold your breath for that to happen. We have been dealing with his attitude and lack of production long enough. From the way I see it Crabs don't want to be a 49er and never did. He is not the #1 WR I thought he'd be. When the coaching staff dropped Edwards like a hot rock and only brought in Swain I thought that was his golden opportunity for Crabs to show the world what he could do. He didn't show it because his attitude, his lack of consistency, and his lack of commitment wouldn't let him. He may have #1 talent but he is not a number 1, or #2, WR on this team. I am hoping we package his ass soon.
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Feb 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM ]
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Please stop now. Crabtree would ball out in NY. Manning >>>>>>>>> Smith.


wannna bet?

the reason is crabtree hasnt attended a preseason game or offseason workout

please stop posting or think before you post
Can we get a #1 QB before we worry bout #1-5 WRs?
Originally posted by Fricker:
Can we get a #1 QB before we worry bout #1-5 WRs?

No.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Please stop now. Crabtree would ball out in NY. Manning >>>>>>>>> Smith.


wannna bet?

the reason is crabtree hasnt attended a preseason game or offseason workout

please stop posting or think before you post

Manning doesn't need 4 years of chemistry building before he's consistenly able to hit his WR....


Ok, now I'm trolling; kind of.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
This is where he can definitely improve. It's well documented that he has not had a lot of enthusiasm in working with Smith. Hopefully Smith's success this year will entice Crabtree to reach out and put in extra work with him. There are so many layers that go into a successful offensive system, and certainly the personal chemistry between a QB and WR is one of them. I hope he starts to feed off of the team first attitude that guys like Smith and Davis have.


Yes, working with the QB you play with during the season is a lot more important than work back home in Texas with buddies. Also, I understand his hesitancy in working with Rice but he should man up, get some confidence and take Jerry's advice and help. Why not work with the best in history? Get over yourself Michael and become the WR we all want you to be!





Jerry rice: "Crabs, we are going to learn some work ethic."

Crabs: "See ya"