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According to Adam Shefter, the 49ers are tryin to get 2 Top WR's

Originally posted by jreff22:
So if we get Moss and he puts up 1k, Vernon puts up around 800, and Crabs gets 700ish...what does that mean

Sb victory
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by jreff22:
So if we get Moss and he puts up 1k, Vernon puts up around 800, and Crabs gets 700ish...what does that mean

Sb victory

for Crabs...?
well, we got Moss, which may or may not be a redux of Braylon. Hopefully we get a great season out of him. But...the big deal remains a possession receiver, and I have a question for El Guapo:

Just curious how you figure that we won't get Wallace in exchange for our #1 pick, 30th overall. I heard he was tendered and got a $2.75 mil offer(that can't be right, can it?), and my question guapo, is do you really think it is better to keep our #1 pick than take a run at Wallace? Wallace is a guaranteed #1, but our first pick is not a guaranteed anything, having played no downs in the nfl. Really do you think it is better to keep our pick than take wallace. If we were to do that , i am assuming he would demand a lot more $$, but would it be 9mil, or thereabouts, or less, since he has been tendered? I am asking for information, nothing more. Anybody that knows please join in.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Mar 12, 2012 at 8:46 PM ]
ESPN ranked Randy Moss as the #8 best WR available in free agency. Mike Wallace was #2, Vincent Jackson was #1. Garcon #6.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
sincal, you are doing a pretty good job of defending your man, craps, but i would refer you to the tape of the N.O. game when alex hit him 3 times between the numbers 1 and 5. All 3 passes were dropped. In NYG game? 1 catch. That's no typo, 1 catch. Sure he had circus catches during midseason against Rams, AZ, and others. But when the money was down, chips on the table...#15 didn't show up. The Saints game was the one that dumbfounded most of us. Even I thot craps was better than that . I don't know, maybe it is his attitude, his seeming non-effort, that is the cause or maybe, just maybe he isn't as good as you think. As far as the insults, dtg handled it best. Personal insults like "stupid" and "ignorant" are not part of this board, which was good advice by dtg. It seems that you are almost singlehandedly , or with a fan or two, defending the indefensible. Really, go back and rewind the N.O. and NYG tapes and watch #15. He dropped passes that were right on the money.
Believe it or not, #1s don't do that. They are the guys that catch the rock and hang on. Your guy doesn't .

You are missing one other thing. Actually I would like to see craps get better. Better attitude, better routes, better hands, better effort...unnh...he can't run any faster....but you get the idea. What we have seen is a guy, 5th highest salary on the team, that has held out for half a season, missed all preseasons, and in tight games chokes or disappears or both. No he did not lose the NYG game, someone else did. But he sure as heck didn't help much. Seriously, go back and look at the tapes. There is no #1WR anywhere on the field for us. If you or someone else wants to argue that he is a #2 vs a #3 or 4, heck, i won't argue much. But good grief, man, a guy who zaps out in the 2 biggest games all yr? Sincal , the tape doesn't lie and we all have seen it.

Don't recall calling anybody stupid or ignorant. Nor do i recall Crabtree holding out for half a season. Yes he dropped inexcusable passes against the Saints, i will agree there. Crabtree made plenty of clutch catches for the team this year so once again you can't back up that statement. your still complaining about salary when we've got a #1 overall pick that hasn't exactly earned all the money thats been poured into him but f**k it lets go for year 8. A good QB makes his Wr's better too so Crabtree is doing the best with what he's got and thats not much. For every elite QB there are a couple WR's to each on e of their name that have produced wonders for their team due to the Qb. Guys like Garcon, Cruz, Welker, Nelson, etc... are turned into good Wr's because of their Qb but out here what do we have? You're telling me to watch the tape of a WR who has done nothing but improve since he's been here? how about watching the tape of the man under center for the last 7 years (Yes i realize he sat out due to injury) and tell me what you see.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
wallace would be pricey, too much money tied up in wrs

god forbid we have a talented WR corps for once
1 down, sort of... one to go?
Originally posted by okdkid:
ESPN ranked Randy Moss as the #8 best WR available in free agency. Mike Wallace was #2, Vincent Jackson was #1. Garcon #6.

Yeah, Vincent Jackson number one and Mike Wallace number two! I love V.Jackson and Mike Wallace! V.Jackson is pretty good a tall and good speed and good catch and smart run the route! Mike Wallace is best the young WR ever and super speed is very good by himself! We need Sign Vincent Jackson and Mike Wallace!!!!!!!! If we can sign Vincent Jackson then Crabtree should trade to Mike Wallace! then we have perfect our team and ready to plays for strong!
[ Edited by BuZzB28 on Mar 12, 2012 at 9:21 PM ]
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
1 down, sort of... one to go?

If we get another big name, i vote we draft one in the 1st round so we can cut Kyle Williams
Originally posted by BuZzB28:
Yeah, Vincent Jackson number one and Mike Wallace number two! I love V.Jackson and Mike Wallace! V.Jackson is pretty good a tall and good speed and good catch and smart run the route! Mike Wallace is best the young WR ever and super speed is very good by himself! We need Sign Vincent Jackson and Mike Wallace!!!!!!!! If we can sign Vincent Jackson then Crabtree should trade to Mike Wallace! then we have perfect our team and ready to plays for strong!

1 down, 1 to go.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
well, we got Moss, which may or may not be a redux of Braylon. Hopefully we get a great season out of him. But...the big deal remains a possession receiver, and I have a question for El Guapo:

Just curious how you figure that we won't get Wallace in exchange for our #1 pick, 30th overall. I heard he was tendered and got a $2.75 mil offer(that can't be right, can it?), and my question guapo, is do you really think it is better to keep our #1 pick than take a run at Wallace? Wallace is a guaranteed #1, but our first pick is not a guaranteed anything, having played no downs in the nfl. Really do you think it is better to keep our pick than take wallace. If we were to do that , i am assuming he would demand a lot more $$, but would it be 9mil, or thereabouts, or less, since he has been tendered? I am asking for information, nothing more. Anybody that knows please join in.

Pasodoc I completely agree with you. Wallace is worth a 30 th pick. Hell he is so good I think he is worth a top 10 or even a top 5 pick. I just don't think the front office will do it and they may not want to commit 9 mil to a wr. That would mean Crabtree is about 5 mil, moss is probably about 2-3, and another wr will prob be around 2 mil or so, not counting Wallace.

So we know he is worth it, but our front office probably doesn't feel this way
Originally posted by KegBert:
1 down, 1 to go.

I'm gonna say 2 to go

1 FA 1 higher draft pick
Originally posted by elguapo:
Pasodoc I completely agree with you. Wallace is worth a 30 th pick. Hell he is so good I think he is worth a top 10 or even a top 5 pick. I just don't think the front office will do it and they may not want to commit 9 mil to a wr. That would mean Crabtree is about 5 mil, moss is probably about 2-3, and another wr will prob be around 2 mil or so, not counting Wallace.

So we know he is worth it, but our front office probably doesn't feel this way

They WON'T commit 9 million to a WR. Moss is a Baalke kind of signing, low cost, high value, boom or bust. They'll probably pick up another mid-tier guy and that is it. From the beginning I never thought that they'd be taking a shot at guy like Jackson or Wallace who will command big bucks, not after everything that we've learned about Baalke and his philosophy.


Think Billy Beane and "Moneyball" which might be the closest thing to what the 49ers are doing......at least in regards to free agency. Finding the guys who are predicted to perform better than their expected salaries, not the flashy super free agents but the bargain bin contributors who will be more valuable due to their lower salary demands.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM ]
If we put this much money into our wr corp, which I think we can do, we won't be able to replace Rogers. I know we will have a pretty decent drop off from a cbs standpoint, and the fact that we play great qbs this year....and possibly in the playoffs and sb, that could be where we lose. We can sign a Wallace for 9-10 mil, but our secondary will take a hit......I vote for secondary to,take a hit bc we have a good pass rush, but the minute we play a good ol in the playoffs or sb we could get exposed bc we will not be able to keep up,scoring with Alex and company. Hopefully Alex improves with moss and another year in the offense and we get a sb