Originally posted by jreff22:So if we get Moss and he puts up 1k, Vernon puts up around 800, and Crabs gets 700ish...what does that mean
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Originally posted by jreff22:So if we get Moss and he puts up 1k, Vernon puts up around 800, and Crabs gets 700ish...what does that mean
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by jreff22:
So if we get Moss and he puts up 1k, Vernon puts up around 800, and Crabs gets 700ish...what does that mean
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
sincal, you are doing a pretty good job of defending your man, craps, but i would refer you to the tape of the N.O. game when alex hit him 3 times between the numbers 1 and 5. All 3 passes were dropped. In NYG game? 1 catch. That's no typo, 1 catch. Sure he had circus catches during midseason against Rams, AZ, and others. But when the money was down, chips on the table...#15 didn't show up. The Saints game was the one that dumbfounded most of us. Even I thot craps was better than that . I don't know, maybe it is his attitude, his seeming non-effort, that is the cause or maybe, just maybe he isn't as good as you think. As far as the insults, dtg handled it best. Personal insults like "stupid" and "ignorant" are not part of this board, which was good advice by dtg. It seems that you are almost singlehandedly , or with a fan or two, defending the indefensible. Really, go back and rewind the N.O. and NYG tapes and watch #15. He dropped passes that were right on the money.
Believe it or not, #1s don't do that. They are the guys that catch the rock and hang on. Your guy doesn't .
You are missing one other thing. Actually I would like to see craps get better. Better attitude, better routes, better hands, better effort...unnh...he can't run any faster....but you get the idea. What we have seen is a guy, 5th highest salary on the team, that has held out for half a season, missed all preseasons, and in tight games chokes or disappears or both. No he did not lose the NYG game, someone else did. But he sure as heck didn't help much. Seriously, go back and look at the tapes. There is no #1WR anywhere on the field for us. If you or someone else wants to argue that he is a #2 vs a #3 or 4, heck, i won't argue much. But good grief, man, a guy who zaps out in the 2 biggest games all yr? Sincal , the tape doesn't lie and we all have seen it.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
wallace would be pricey, too much money tied up in wrs
Originally posted by okdkid:
ESPN ranked Randy Moss as the #8 best WR available in free agency. Mike Wallace was #2, Vincent Jackson was #1. Garcon #6.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
1 down, sort of... one to go?
Originally posted by BuZzB28:
Yeah, Vincent Jackson number one and Mike Wallace number two! I love V.Jackson and Mike Wallace! V.Jackson is pretty good a tall and good speed and good catch and smart run the route! Mike Wallace is best the young WR ever and super speed is very good by himself! We need Sign Vincent Jackson and Mike Wallace!!!!!!!! If we can sign Vincent Jackson then Crabtree should trade to Mike Wallace! then we have perfect our team and ready to plays for strong!
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:well, we got Moss, which may or may not be a redux of Braylon. Hopefully we get a great season out of him. But...the big deal remains a possession receiver, and I have a question for El Guapo:
Just curious how you figure that we won't get Wallace in exchange for our #1 pick, 30th overall. I heard he was tendered and got a $2.75 mil offer(that can't be right, can it?), and my question guapo, is do you really think it is better to keep our #1 pick than take a run at Wallace? Wallace is a guaranteed #1, but our first pick is not a guaranteed anything, having played no downs in the nfl. Really do you think it is better to keep our pick than take wallace. If we were to do that , i am assuming he would demand a lot more $$, but would it be 9mil, or thereabouts, or less, since he has been tendered? I am asking for information, nothing more. Anybody that knows please join in.
Originally posted by KegBert:
1 down, 1 to go.
Originally posted by elguapo:
Pasodoc I completely agree with you. Wallace is worth a 30 th pick. Hell he is so good I think he is worth a top 10 or even a top 5 pick. I just don't think the front office will do it and they may not want to commit 9 mil to a wr. That would mean Crabtree is about 5 mil, moss is probably about 2-3, and another wr will prob be around 2 mil or so, not counting Wallace.
So we know he is worth it, but our front office probably doesn't feel this way