Originally posted by mike:
Originally posted by alex2125:
Just wondering, do you have a stopwatch and you're measuring his release compared to the release of other quarterbacks? .25-.50 Sounds like a load of crap to me. He gets the ball out just fine, a little fine tuning to make it more fluid but nothing major.(I think roman even said they fine tuned it a bit already)
Kap has a rocket arm, he is a hard worker, and a good person. BUT...
Anyone who doesn't think that non-fluid cock-back delivery is a problem is in denial. That motion is not going anywhere. Remember Tebow "shortening" his throwing motion? How'd that work out?
While the release itself is fast (once going forward), and the ball can get there fast, that cocking of the arm gives db's and lb's .25-.50 seconds extra time to react. In the NFL, where everyone is an athlete, that is a problem. So unless he totally changes and corrects that, its always going to be an issue. So Kap and the coaches will always have to compensate with razor sharp accuracy and near perfect reads and timing. BUT I think this is where Kap's athleticism is a negative. I think initially, Kap will get to his second read in the pocket before letting it break down and scramble and run. He won't stay in the pocket, because he never had to in that Pistol Offense playing Defenses in the WAC in college. At least Tebow played against SEC defenses.
I think Kap's athleticism is overrated as well. He is fast. But he is so tall and lanky that he appears stiff when scrambling. Once he decides to run, he goes, but I wouldn't call him Quick. He's not like Roethlisberger in that he can shrug guys off with his size. Unless he puts on major muscle, he is a huge injury target. Right Now, Alex is a better Athletic QB than Kap.
In the draft, Kap was the only QB I did not want on the 49ers (I wanted Dalton bad). Given his mechanics and background, Kap needs TOO much work to be a viable starter on a team that can win RIGHT NOW. Alex is the QB in the immediate future because.....well that's a whole other thread.
He wouldn't have had the success he had in college nor would he be drafted as high as he was if he had something major wrong with his throwing motion.
You're right. I don't have a stopwatch, and I'm not a QB coach. What I was trying to say is that db's will have a "Split Second" longer to react to his motion. Wether that is .10 seconds, or .20 seconds, or .90 seconds. DB's will be coached to close on that motion. That cocking motion is a problem. I don't remember a successful NFL QB in recent memory having that motion problem and being a lasting success. The first two to come to mind is Leftwich and Tebow. And I don't think Tebow will be a sustainable NFL QB. Other QB's like Kosar, Rivers, Etc., who did have success; were considered to have awkward motions due to other factors such as release point. But never the speed and fluidity with which they get the ball out.
And I don't think college success or draft position is a valid way to project a QB prospect
. History shows that college success and high draft status does not equal success. If that were true, Alex Smith, (top 3 or 4 in Heisman, BCS win with Utah, #1 overall), would have a super bowl title by now instead of us even having this discussion.
We can do this all day. I'm just a fan giving my opinion. Nothing posted on here will change my opinion based on what I've seen. I'm taking the position that Kap is not the answer. He wasn't the answer when we drafted him. And I think Harbaugh AND Trent can make mistakes = Ronald Johnson > Doug Baldwin.
Only Kap can prove me wrong next year or down line.