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Defending Jimmy Graham

Originally posted by oldman9er:
It's not just that Graham is so damn good, it's that the Saints have SO many weapons around Graham that makes defending any one target a brutal challenge.

The best way to beat the Saints is to disguise what we are doing... which means lots of pre-snap movement from our defenders. The Saints are so devastating with their screen game... so we can't just send the house around the edge. We could try playing that soft-arse zone D and hope to Jeebus that they make some errors... but I do hate that ish.

I don't know... aside from the pre-snap movement to disguise intent? I just don't know. Bets bet is to do that on D, and on O? We gotta play keep-away and get them frustrated with lack of possessions.

But Oldman, we did pretty well away against Detroit. Man on man press coverage with two safeties back. The Rams, the Rams were able to do it. We play ball control and limit the RZ. They can blast off between the 20's, but this D will lock them down as they get closer to the EZ.
Originally posted by ninertico:
But Oldman, we did pretty well away against Detroit. Man on man press coverage with two safeties back. The Rams, the Rams were able to do it. We play ball control and limit the RZ. They can blast off between the 20's, but this D will lock them down as they get closer to the EZ.

so your saying Petigrew > Graham ?
Big Nickel Defense

aka

Big Tickle Defense
Disrupt his route timing and pressure Brees, after that there isnt much more you can do...legally
Patrick Willis....end thread
Originally posted by 5280High:
Disrupt his route timing and pressure Brees, after that there isnt much more you can do...legally

Sending pressure = BIG gamble! Brees has only been sacked 24 times this year!!! They have 3 Pro Bowl players on their Oline! I agree with how we played Detroit this year but the difference is NO has way too many weapons to defend. Its a paradox for sure!
We allowed a 100 yd game to Calvin Johnson and won.

Next question.
If Graham gets off but if we hold down the other receivers, then I am ok with that. I'm worried about the other WR's
If Willis is watching Graham then who is watching Sproles? I think they put Brown or Culliver on Graham with some safety help at times. Willis's job will be to spy Sproles and stop the screen passes. They have to mix up their coverages. The main way to beat this man under defense they play is hitting the tight end in the seams or little crossing/underneath routes. I mean you seen the Rams trying it all last week. Passing to Kendricks in the seam. That's all Detroit was doing to get their 1st score. That's what kept Dallas in the game. Only person on the skins to do anything was Fred Davis. The best medicine might be a offense converting on 3rd downs and giving the defense needed rest.
[ Edited by lamontb on Jan 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM ]
Originally posted by oldman9er:
It's not just that Graham is so damn good, it's that the Saints have SO many weapons around Graham that makes defending any one target a brutal challenge.

The best way to beat the Saints is to disguise what we are doing... which means lots of pre-snap movement from our defenders. The Saints are so devastating with their screen game... so we can't just send the house around the edge. We could try playing that soft-arse zone D and hope to Jeebus that they make some errors... but I do hate that ish.

I don't know... aside from the pre-snap movement to disguise intent? I just don't know. Bets bet is to do that on D, and on O? We gotta play keep-away and get them frustrated with lack of possessions.

I agree, Disguise coverage, like we did to Manning a few years ago (I realize we still lost, but It took Addai throwing the td not manning) also I think we have to be physical with ALL of their receivers disrupt their timing, Go back and watch what the Pats did in the superbowl against the Rams back in 2001 From the little I've seen, it seems as if everyone is scared of the fast strike ability of the Saints and havn't gotten in the WRS/TE Faces to disrupt timing. Can't play scared! Most importantly we GOTTA Get heat with just 4 or Maybe an occasional 5th, The saints tend to screen a lot. which is fine, we just gotta recognize it and make the tackle Sproles is fast and can get down the field in a hurry!
You get pressure on Brees and keep coverage on everyone else. Bump the receivers to slow down their routes so that Brees has to adjust to the routes and to the pressure. If the 9ers can do that without blitzing, there's a good shot at slowing them down. You'll never 100% stop them because they have guys that will come down with balls even when covered.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
so your saying Petigrew > Graham ?

Oh hell nah!

But he plays very similarly and has some of the same measurables. We truly have to be very physical at the LOS, like what Willis did to the NYG TE on the play where Justin knocks the ball away on fourth down of the NYG game. We CAN be physical as we have the LBs, CBs and Ss to do it.

Still, I love that much up between Willis and Graham. Yet, the advantage does go to Graham...offense always has the advantage to start.

How it ends is another story all together.

Happy endings for everyone!!!! (get your minds out of the gutter...)
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
It's not just that Graham is so damn good, it's that the Saints have SO many weapons around Graham that makes defending any one target a brutal challenge.

The best way to beat the Saints is to disguise what we are doing... which means lots of pre-snap movement from our defenders. The Saints are so devastating with their screen game... so we can't just send the house around the edge. We could try playing that soft-arse zone D and hope to Jeebus that they make some errors... but I do hate that ish.

I don't know... aside from the pre-snap movement to disguise intent? I just don't know. Bets bet is to do that on D, and on O? We gotta play keep-away and get them frustrated with lack of possessions.

But Oldman, we did pretty well away against Detroit. Man on man press coverage with two safeties back. The Rams, the Rams were able to do it. We play ball control and limit the RZ. They can blast off between the 20's, but this D will lock them down as they get closer to the EZ.

We are fortunate to have some top level talent on Defense. I don't think it is very difficult vs the Saints. Their WR corp isn't what it used to be. Not one receiver will require a double-team.

Brown on Henderson: 3 years past his best years. He's caught for 500 yards the past two years averaging only 30 catches.
Rogers on Meachem: isn't that dangerous with 600 yards on 40 catches.
Culliver on Colston: at 1143 yards, he's having his best year in the last 3 years so he's their only real threat from all the WR's. He's not even as good as Calvin Johnson.

The key to beating the Saints is Sproles and Graham:

Graham, at 1300 yards and 99 receptions is the primary key. That's going to be a double team or Willis will get this assignment. With Rogers covering the slot, we will definitely do some zone mixes and have him sneak over to help on Graham also. Rogers is great at underneath coverage. Or we do a Cover 3 and bring Golsdon down at the 8-13 yard range as we have done plenty of times.

Sproles will be the other space eater and I think we rely on our DL to help out here with our MLB's free to roam on certain plays. At 87 rec and only 603 yards tells me he doesn't do much after the catch. That doesn't mean he isn't dangerous after the catch but it's obvious other teams focus on him and that has freed up Graham. Aldon will be rushing a lot and the DL will keep Sproles in the back of their mind to keep his RAC to a minimum.
The only thing I don't like about playing the Saints is that it will give GB an idea of how our Nickel is going to be.
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Originally posted by ninertico:
Um...our defense lines up against this type of TE every practice. Maybe you've heard of him....Vernon Davis. Ring a bell? Vernon's leaping ability rivals or maybe surpasses Graham's.

1st team defense does not practice against 1st team offense so no they do not.