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Are we too conservative in the RED ZONE?
Are we too conservative in the RED ZONE?
Dec 29, 2011 at 8:07 AM
- HarryPeterson
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Diversity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember that word. Throw in few surprises.
Dec 29, 2011 at 8:12 AM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:Exactly. It's conservative but for a reason as of right now. Defense and special teams are winning games, and the offense just isnt' clicking at all in teh redzone. I do get frustrated watching them run 2 inside draws to Gore and settling for a fg. It's been the winning recipe
Fangio's defense only gave up 13.5 pts/game. Akers has been money all year. Frank Gore with the running game. Alex Smith with his careful decision making with only 5 INTs all year. Receivers that came in and out of the lineup due to injuries. First year head coach with no off season.
Yeah, all these add up to being conservative by the coaches. But I think it goes both ways. If the players executed consistently with success it would give the coaches more confident to 'open up'.
Dec 29, 2011 at 2:02 PM
- KowboyKiller
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Originally posted by HarryPeterson:
Diversity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember that word. Throw in few surprises.
Bring back Troy Smith?
Dec 29, 2011 at 9:35 PM
- Ninergoldrush
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Speaking of settling for FG ( aka RZ ineptitude) did you see MNF vs Pitt, 1st drive , 2nd down when #11has Williams wide open in back of end zone ??? He throws a panic pass that wasn't even near K. Williams. One crappy pass later on 3rd down , we settle for 3-0 lead . Watch # 11 ' s feet man. Scared! He chokes under extra ordinary pressure. Hence the conservative play we suffer through in RZ
Williams sat down in the endzone, right before the ball was released Williams moved. That incompletion was in Williams not on Alex Smith. Even the commentators caught what Williams did and called him on it.
You gotta get your tongue out of #11's keester dude! I have reviewed the play over and over and over again and the next play when he 'missed' Gore for sure TD. Williams dove for that dying quail of a pass and still could not touch it! Gruden ( the commentator / genius ) immediately addressed the importance of 'accuracy' in passing. He again mentions it when he misses Gore on ensuing play. Dude, he had no dandruff problems. Head and Shoulders(#43) was airborne!! he could have
brought that pass back down ,taken one step to the side and hit Gore in the SPOT he needed it to carry his MO into end zone. Watch his body language man, the intangibles. There is panic in his eyes. Williams was not first look on that play. He picked him up too late and could NOT get his body to react to what his eyes saw. Elite players in any sport call it being in "The Zone." They describe it as time slowing down, almost freezing thereby allowing them to make better plays=better ,bigger plays. This trait is what separates the Elite from the ordinary. Make no mistake about it , #11 is a good,solid QB and I hope he gets us to
our 6th SB victorious! He is capable , just NOT much beyond that. The lack of production in the RZ is largely on him!
Dec 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM
- DMiller2007
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Originally posted by HarryPeterson:Diversity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember that word. Throw in few surprises.
Diversity? Isn't that an old, old wooden ship?
Dec 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM
- rk1642
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Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Speaking of settling for FG ( aka RZ ineptitude) did you see MNF vs Pitt, 1st drive , 2nd down when #11has Williams wide open in back of end zone ??? He throws a panic pass that wasn't even near K. Williams. One crappy pass later on 3rd down , we settle for 3-0 lead . Watch # 11 ' s feet man. Scared! He chokes under extra ordinary pressure. Hence the conservative play we suffer through in RZ
Williams sat down in the endzone, right before the ball was released Williams moved. That incompletion was in Williams not on Alex Smith. Even the commentators caught what Williams did and called him on it.
You gotta get your tongue out of #11's keester dude! I have reviewed the play over and over and over again and the next play when he 'missed' Gore for sure TD. Williams dove for that dying quail of a pass and still could not touch it! Gruden ( the commentator / genius ) immediately addressed the importance of 'accuracy' in passing. He again mentions it when he misses Gore on ensuing play. Dude, he had no dandruff problems. Head and Shoulders(#43) was airborne!! he could have
brought that pass back down ,taken one step to the side and hit Gore in the SPOT he needed it to carry his MO into end zone. Watch his body language man, the intangibles. There is panic in his eyes. Williams was not first look on that play. He picked him up too late and could NOT get his body to react to what his eyes saw. Elite players in any sport call it being in "The Zone." They describe it as time slowing down, almost freezing thereby allowing them to make better plays=better ,bigger plays. This trait is what separates the Elite from the ordinary. Make no mistake about it , #11 is a good,solid QB and I hope he gets us to
our 6th SB victorious! He is capable , just NOT much beyond that. The lack of production in the RZ is largely on him!
Are you serious on the Gore play? I watched the same play and yeah, if your looking at it in slow mo, the qb seems like he has time to side step and make your throw. But in real time, Alex sees 43 coming untouched (the dude does not miss tackles) and makes the correct throw. What happens if he tries your little move but 43 knocks the ball loose or Alex takes a sack? He could have tried to thread the needle to Frank and then if its a pick, then what? Your zone is not the matrix dude, 43 is not slowing down, he's one of the best in the NFL.
Yeah, he missed Williams but that wasn't a bad pass it was a situation were the qb and wr were thinking 2 different things. This will get worked out and is not a big deal. He has had very little time with Williams in practice so its perfectly understandable on both their parts.
Some of you guys kill me with the rewatching the games and with the slow motion crap. The game is not played in slow motion. Things are happening very fast out there and they don't have the lazy boy seat you do.
Dec 29, 2011 at 10:28 PM
- Ninergoldrush
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Originally posted by rk1642:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Speaking of settling for FG ( aka RZ ineptitude) did you see MNF vs Pitt, 1st drive , 2nd down when #11has Williams wide open in back of end zone ??? He throws a panic pass that wasn't even near K. Williams. One crappy pass later on 3rd down , we settle for 3-0 lead . Watch # 11 ' s feet man. Scared! He chokes under extra ordinary pressure. Hence the conservative play we suffer through in RZ
Williams sat down in the endzone, right before the ball was released Williams moved. That incompletion was in Williams not on Alex Smith. Even the commentators caught what Williams did and called him on it.
You gotta get your tongue out of #11's keester dude! I have reviewed the play over and over and over again and the next play when he 'missed' Gore for sure TD. Williams dove for that dying quail of a pass and still could not touch it! Gruden ( the commentator / genius ) immediately addressed the importance of 'accuracy' in passing. He again mentions it when he misses Gore on ensuing play. Dude, he had no dandruff problems. Head and Shoulders(#43) was airborne!! he could have
brought that pass back down ,taken one step to the side and hit Gore in the SPOT he needed it to carry his MO into end zone. Watch his body language man, the intangibles. There is panic in his eyes. Williams was not first look on that play. He picked him up too late and could NOT get his body to react to what his eyes saw. Elite players in any sport call it being in "The Zone." They describe it as time slowing down, almost freezing thereby allowing them to make better plays=better ,bigger plays. This trait is what separates the Elite from the ordinary. Make no mistake about it , #11 is a good,solid QB and I hope he gets us to
our 6th SB victorious! He is capable , just NOT much beyond that. The lack of production in the RZ is largely on him!
Are you serious on the Gore play? I watched the same play and yeah, if your looking at it in slow mo, the qb seems like he has time to side step and make your throw. But in real time, Alex sees 43 coming untouched (the dude does not miss tackles) and makes the correct throw. What happens if he tries your little move but 43 knocks the ball loose or Alex takes a sack? He could have tried to thread the needle to Frank and then if its a pick, then what? Your zone is not the matrix dude, 43 is not slowing down, he's one of the best in the NFL.
Yeah, he missed Williams but that wasn't a bad pass it was a situation were the qb and wr were thinking 2 different things. This will get worked out and is not a big deal. He has had very little time with Williams in practice so its perfectly understandable on both their parts.
Some of you guys kill me with the rewatching the games and with the slow motion crap. The game is not played in slow motion. Things are happening very fast out there and they don't have the lazy boy seat you do.
It has everything to do with the thread man. Backontop says Williams was at fault while you and I agree Smith simply was not accurate enough on that given play.
The thread is are we too conservative in RZ? We threw on 2nd and 3rd down and Smith simply DID NOT HIT HIS TARGETS! No big deal right? It will be later, as in
playoffs. That same type of blown opportunity may end our season. No sh.t #43 does not miss tackles , but he was airborne man. Have you ever tried changing your body's path after it was already airborne?? The best he had to offer at that point was sticking his leg out in a futile effort. Some members insist on examples and I gave one straight up. Harbough and Co. are doing the best they can with the tools they have. I remember Montana being referred to as the 'Orchestrator.' Point being it is on Smith to Orchestrate this O in the RZ. No sh.t things happen fast out there. Does he have the FOCUS ??? Or will you have more excuses if he does NOT?
Dec 30, 2011 at 3:50 AM
- backontop
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Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Speaking of settling for FG ( aka RZ ineptitude) did you see MNF vs Pitt, 1st drive , 2nd down when #11has Williams wide open in back of end zone ??? He throws a panic pass that wasn't even near K. Williams. One crappy pass later on 3rd down , we settle for 3-0 lead . Watch # 11 ' s feet man. Scared! He chokes under extra ordinary pressure. Hence the conservative play we suffer through in RZ
Williams sat down in the endzone, right before the ball was released Williams moved. That incompletion was in Williams not on Alex Smith. Even the commentators caught what Williams did and called him on it.
You gotta get your tongue out of #11's keester dude! I have reviewed the play over and over and over again and the next play when he 'missed' Gore for sure TD. Williams dove for that dying quail of a pass and still could not touch it! Gruden ( the commentator / genius ) immediately addressed the importance of 'accuracy' in passing. He again mentions it when he misses Gore on ensuing play. Dude, he had no dandruff problems. Head and Shoulders(#43) was airborne!! he could have
brought that pass back down ,taken one step to the side and hit Gore in the SPOT he needed it to carry his MO into end zone. Watch his body language man, the intangibles. There is panic in his eyes. Williams was not first look on that play. He picked him up too late and could NOT get his body to react to what his eyes saw. Elite players in any sport call it being in "The Zone." They describe it as time slowing down, almost freezing thereby allowing them to make better plays=better ,bigger plays. This trait is what separates the Elite from the ordinary. Make no mistake about it , #11 is a good,solid QB and I hope he gets us to
our 6th SB victorious! He is capable , just NOT much beyond that. The lack of production in the RZ is largely on him!
You're clearly blind AND have no clue wtf you're even watching! Williams sat down in the defense like he was supposed to them moved. Gore's pass was altered due to Polomalu being allowed free run at Alex Smith. If you WATCH the replay the ball was only had one way to get to Gore and that was AROUND Polomalu's hands. But you're right Alex should have just thrown the ball right at his hands so it could have been intercepted instead.
Dec 30, 2011 at 3:53 AM
- backontop
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Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Originally posted by rk1642:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninergoldrush:
Speaking of settling for FG ( aka RZ ineptitude) did you see MNF vs Pitt, 1st drive , 2nd down when #11has Williams wide open in back of end zone ??? He throws a panic pass that wasn't even near K. Williams. One crappy pass later on 3rd down , we settle for 3-0 lead . Watch # 11 ' s feet man. Scared! He chokes under extra ordinary pressure. Hence the conservative play we suffer through in RZ
Williams sat down in the endzone, right before the ball was released Williams moved. That incompletion was in Williams not on Alex Smith. Even the commentators caught what Williams did and called him on it.
You gotta get your tongue out of #11's keester dude! I have reviewed the play over and over and over again and the next play when he 'missed' Gore for sure TD. Williams dove for that dying quail of a pass and still could not touch it! Gruden ( the commentator / genius ) immediately addressed the importance of 'accuracy' in passing. He again mentions it when he misses Gore on ensuing play. Dude, he had no dandruff problems. Head and Shoulders(#43) was airborne!! he could have
brought that pass back down ,taken one step to the side and hit Gore in the SPOT he needed it to carry his MO into end zone. Watch his body language man, the intangibles. There is panic in his eyes. Williams was not first look on that play. He picked him up too late and could NOT get his body to react to what his eyes saw. Elite players in any sport call it being in "The Zone." They describe it as time slowing down, almost freezing thereby allowing them to make better plays=better ,bigger plays. This trait is what separates the Elite from the ordinary. Make no mistake about it , #11 is a good,solid QB and I hope he gets us to
our 6th SB victorious! He is capable , just NOT much beyond that. The lack of production in the RZ is largely on him!
Are you serious on the Gore play? I watched the same play and yeah, if your looking at it in slow mo, the qb seems like he has time to side step and make your throw. But in real time, Alex sees 43 coming untouched (the dude does not miss tackles) and makes the correct throw. What happens if he tries your little move but 43 knocks the ball loose or Alex takes a sack? He could have tried to thread the needle to Frank and then if its a pick, then what? Your zone is not the matrix dude, 43 is not slowing down, he's one of the best in the NFL.
Yeah, he missed Williams but that wasn't a bad pass it was a situation were the qb and wr were thinking 2 different things. This will get worked out and is not a big deal. He has had very little time with Williams in practice so its perfectly understandable on both their parts.
Some of you guys kill me with the rewatching the games and with the slow motion crap. The game is not played in slow motion. Things are happening very fast out there and they don't have the lazy boy seat you do.
It has everything to do with the thread man. Backontop says Williams was at fault while you and I agree Smith simply was not accurate enough on that given play.
The thread is are we too conservative in RZ? We threw on 2nd and 3rd down and Smith simply DID NOT HIT HIS TARGETS! No big deal right? It will be later, as in
playoffs. That same type of blown opportunity may end our season. No sh.t #43 does not miss tackles , but he was airborne man. Have you ever tried changing your body's path after it was already airborne?? The best he had to offer at that point was sticking his leg out in a futile effort. Some members insist on examples and I gave one straight up. Harbough and Co. are doing the best they can with the tools they have. I remember Montana being referred to as the 'Orchestrator.' Point being it is on Smith to Orchestrate this O in the RZ. No sh.t things happen fast out there. Does he have the FOCUS ??? Or will you have more excuses if he does NOT?
#43 is Troy Polomalu for you non football types. Also he wasn't "airborne" until Alex was about to throw the ball. Again the commentators called Williams out on sitting down then moving by saying "you can't do that, you have to help your QB out" But you're right I forgot the ball is supposed to follow Williams where ever he goes once he decided to move AFTER Alex already threw the ball.
Dec 30, 2011 at 4:03 AM
- WildBill
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I would say they get to cute with their packages. Then play conservative with it. Example a jumbo package and run it to that side. The other is that they need to execute. They do pass it. However they need to play with a basic package and run it from there. Just like wn enoughhen they ran on the game winner to Walker or the one where Morgan got injured and others. Either two TE and Two WR with single back or Standard one TE two backs and two WR. And have Alex scramble for the end zone if nothing there on pass plays after making two reads, this will keep the defense loose and worry about containing Alex.
Where as Young ran too much in the begining, Alex doesn't run enough.
Where as Young ran too much in the begining, Alex doesn't run enough.
Dec 30, 2011 at 5:20 AM
- 49erRider
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:I wouldn't say conservative, but more cute than anything.
What I mean is that we basically get too fancy at times and this was my main concern about our playcalling at times before, I like his aggressiveness, and his variety of plays, but when it comes down to scoring in the redzone, we just gotta pound the ball in or run one of those simple money PA plays to Crabs or VD, we all know NOBODY we've played has yet to stop them.
Save the fancy playcalling for the drive up the field, cause once we get to the redzone the D is gonna be like "WTF are they gonna do!?", and on their toes, then we go simple like an HB Draw.
Idk, I just think we have to go back to fundamentals in the redzone, keep it simple.
They do also get cute and try fancy trick plays from time to time. And runs up the middle of course. Why we rarely throw to VD or Crabtree down there is beyond me. The year VD had 965 yards and 13 TD's he had plenty of throws coming his way in the endzone. So why don't we throw to him anymore? Alex has shown he can do it.
You don't think teams have figured out how to stop that?
Dec 30, 2011 at 6:26 AM
- Mr.Mcgibblets
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Yes, we are too conservative in the RZ... but it typically works into WINS anyway, so... .
It's not like our receivers have made strong cases for getting thrown to in the RZ... and we tend to be more RZ conservative against opposing offenses that we do not respect/fear.
12-3... safe football, but can't argue with 12-3...
It's not like our receivers have made strong cases for getting thrown to in the RZ... and we tend to be more RZ conservative against opposing offenses that we do not respect/fear.
12-3... safe football, but can't argue with 12-3...
Dec 30, 2011 at 6:47 AM
- castlebar85
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Were to conservative all through the game not just the red zone, shows how much faith our coach has in our qb.do u blame him?
Dec 30, 2011 at 6:45 PM
- Ninergoldrush
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Originally posted by backontop:
#43 is Troy Polomalu for you non football types. Also he wasn't "airborne" until Alex was about to throw the ball. Again the commentators called Williams out on sitting down then moving by saying "you can't do that, you have to help your QB out" But you're right I forgot the ball is supposed to follow Williams where ever he goes once he decided to move AFTER Alex already threw the ball.
Your a genius man. Thanks for clarifying who #43 on the Pittsburgh Steelers is. Threads like this need people like you . Maybe next time you will even spell his name correctly ( Polamalu ....genius) . I guess there was just no way poor Alex was going to beat this 'superhero' on that play or any other play. I wonder why they set that play up knowing he was going to bring it like that???? Hmmm. I wonder if the shot callers actually thought #11 was going to be able to handle a play set up to beat a corner blitz? Stick to the thread guy and face the fact that any real football type with half a brain would admit the QB MUST assume responsibility for his teams 32nd place ranking in the RZ! It's clear #11 can do no wrong in your mind. Having said that, we're fighting amongst ourselves here over a 12-3 season.
It's a RZ thing, remember ? BTW, Akers became all-time single season record holder for points in as season with 156 and counting. No fault of #11 though,
right? For clarification all you/us non football types, #11 is Alex Smith of the S.F 49's. I'm getting better.
Dec 30, 2011 at 6:48 PM
- jones49
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Red zone O has been very Nolanesque.