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What a difference a season makes: The QB Position suddenly looks bright.

  • boqi
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I've watched Luck practice at Stanford before a game as well as Alex Smith w/ the 49ers before a game and I can say that Andrew Luck is WAY more talented than Alex Smith. In practice, Alex Smith was throwing behind, too high, all over the place. Andrew Luck on the other hand was solid. His throws were right between the receivers' numbers every single time. I was impressed seeing it in person. Luck is also a bigger body and though he's "unproven" I think he's miles ahead of Alex Smith.

In response to Post #2, I would absolutely trade Luck for Patrick Willis, because the QB is THE most important position in the game and makes or breaks a franchise! Just look at the Colts.

All signs point to Luck being successful in the NFL, and with good coaching and especially HARBAUGH, it'd require a massive turn of events for Luck to ever, well...suck.
[ Edited by boqi on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:33 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Matt Maiocco says that Scott Tolzien takes ZERO snaps in the niner offense. I noticed that he doesnt even suit up on gamedays..or at least he wasnt on Sunday. Tolzien one the rookie vs rookie battle when we played San Diego in preseason and Baalke and JH said they that he was one of the guys they wanted to pick up. I like both Kap anmd Tolzien, I think we should sign a Vet to the practice squad just for a little safety net..then again, Harbaugh was an NFL QB at one point in time and he takes that hands-on approach with his team so thats kinda like being a Coach/Vet at the same time, right? Im too juiced to see how they look, hopefully we run up the score in the first three quarters soo Kap gets some playing time

He does get snaps with the scout team.

Not in the niner offense. "takes ZERO snaps in the niner offense"

In the MM piece Tolzien was quoted as saying he would take the scout team offense, execute it and compare similar parts to the 49er offense.

The point being, he IS getting practice time, just not in the specific offense the 49ers are using.
1. Alex is a late bloomer, his first few years he clearly wasnt ready and had horrible coaching to boot minus Norv who helped him develop year 2. At 27 Smith is NOT in his prime, but he is hitting it and we are seeing it.. I think next season you will even see BIGGER numbers as far as pass TD and yards..
2. Colin Kaep, coming out of the gimmick offense at Nevada he really reminded me of Alex Smith. The long delivery, the athleticsm, and the efficeient numbers during his career. Colin is in a better situation than Alex was and has a stronger arm along with the running ability that will make him pretty dangerous in a year or two..
3. Tolzien was one of my targets coming out of the draft. I thought we should have drafted Tolzien in the later rounds even after picking up Kaep. Tolzien is accurate and has an understanding of the position coming out of Wisconsin. Along with Kaep, Tolzien is in a great position being coached up and developed by Harbaugh and Roman and should be a pretty good QB when ready.
Originally posted by 49ersnum1:
1. Alex is a late bloomer, his first few years he clearly wasnt ready and had horrible coaching to boot minus Norv who helped him develop year 2. At 27 Smith is NOT in his prime, but he is hitting it and we are seeing it.. I think next season you will even see BIGGER numbers as far as pass TD and yards..
2. Colin Kaep, coming out of the gimmick offense at Nevada he really reminded me of Alex Smith. The long delivery, the athleticsm, and the efficeient numbers during his career. Colin is in a better situation than Alex was and has a stronger arm along with the running ability that will make him pretty dangerous in a year or two..
3. Tolzien was one of my targets coming out of the draft. I thought we should have drafted Tolzien in the later rounds even after picking up Kaep. Tolzien is accurate and has an understanding of the position coming out of Wisconsin. Along with Kaep, Tolzien is in a great position being coached up and developed by Harbaugh and Roman and should be a pretty good QB when ready.
Have to say I agree. It will be great to go into a draft and be able to focus on the other positions. We may not be perfect at quarterback, but we definitely are in a good position. Work with what we got and keep improving the rest of the team.
Originally posted by boqi:
I've watched Luck practice at Stanford before a game as well as Alex Smith w/ the 49ers before a game and I can say that Andrew Luck is WAY more talented than Alex Smith. In practice, Alex Smith was throwing behind, too high, all over the place. Andrew Luck on the other hand was solid. His throws were right between the receivers' numbers every single time. I was impressed seeing it in person. Luck is also a bigger body and though he's "unproven" I think he's miles ahead of Alex Smith.

In response to Post #2, I would absolutely trade Luck for Patrick Willis, because the QB is THE most important position in the game and makes or breaks a franchise! Just look at the Colts.

All signs point to Luck being successful in the NFL, and with good coaching and especially HARBAUGH, it'd require a massive turn of events for Luck to ever, well...suck.

lets trade for P. manning
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by boqi:
I've watched Luck practice at Stanford before a game as well as Alex Smith w/ the 49ers before a game and I can say that Andrew Luck is WAY more talented than Alex Smith. In practice, Alex Smith was throwing behind, too high, all over the place. Andrew Luck on the other hand was solid. His throws were right between the receivers' numbers every single time. I was impressed seeing it in person. Luck is also a bigger body and though he's "unproven" I think he's miles ahead of Alex Smith.

In response to Post #2, I would absolutely trade Luck for Patrick Willis, because the QB is THE most important position in the game and makes or breaks a franchise! Just look at the Colts.

All signs point to Luck being successful in the NFL, and with good coaching and especially HARBAUGH, it'd require a massive turn of events for Luck to ever, well...suck.

lets trade for P. manning

From what little I know about the type of fusion procedure he had, I wouldn't want to trade. Too much risk.
Originally posted by verb1der:
And people were willing to trade Patrick Willis for Andrew Luck.


can I trade Vernon Davis?
Originally posted by verb1der:
And people were willing to trade Patrick Willis for Andrew Luck.


i would trade willis for luck in a heartbeat. One for one. We can replace 60-80 percent of what willis offers in another lb. Id say larry grant is 60% of willis right now.. a Once in a lifetime shot to land a qb such as this you grab it. I dont think its too difficult to understand that this is a qb driven league. ALEX SMITH is not the answer for our future nor our launch of a new stadium.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Sinsation:
so nice to have a real coaching staff

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Ditto!
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
There is no way they get rid of Alex Smith. He's even starting to hit those nice rainbows. If Davis catches that one in the end zone last Sunday, Alex Smith ends up with 335 yards, 3 TD's and no interceptions. What more do you want in a QB. It's the only thing that has been missing from his game and he's just starting to dial it in. Prediction: by the end of this season, no sane person will be even entertaining the idea of trading away Alex Smith to get Andrew Luck. Norv Turner said it years ago: Alex Smith can make every throw. He's like a faster, quicker Troy Aikman. He may not look tough, but think about it - he's tough as nails. He absorbs 9 sacks in a game and never so much as glares at his O-linemen. He never yells at a receiver. He never complains. He just keeps on coming. He's smart and careful. He takes care of the ball. He moves around and scrambles for first downs. He's getting a lot more accurate. He's always thrown a beautiful looking long pass and now he's beginning to tune that part of his game with this playbook. He now has the continuity and the coaching he's always needed. I'm pretty sure the Niners brass didn't expect this level of growth in Smith working with Harbaugh, but now that they've got it, there is no way they let him go.

Alex is like Jason of Friday the 13th-Can't kill it no what matter how bad, he keeps coming back to haunt you for better or worse-haha.

As for what Turner said, coaches are gonna be like politicians, they gotta work with you and no sane or person is gonna burn bridges with the exception of Nolan and Singletary. You try to build a player up then if he doesn't work out you shake his hand and say sorry it didn't work out.
Very true about thats what coaches normally and are supposed to say about their own players with the exception of Nowin and Singlebraincell. But, Turner said these same comments after he left the 49ers and said "We won seven games the year I was there, and I think we won four of them driving the ball at the end of the game and Alex making big plays at the end of the game," Turner said. "I'm not sure it's something that you develop. I'm not sure that you coach it.
"I think it's a quality that some guys have, that when things get hot and heavy, they step up and they know how to make plays, so he certainly showed me that. That was the thing so impressive to me."

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-12-16/sports/25193960_1_49ers-visit-norv-turner-mentor
Man, hard to believe this is same guy playing QB last 6 yrs here. Yet he is. It was there all the time. What wasn't was:

a) no front office esp GM, hence lousy choice of talent (Rashaun woods, anyone?)

b) no coaching , or coach a yr, and none were worth a sack of schidt.

c) NO OL as noted above, hence no QB. I commented on that, not defending alex, long and loud, but angry about no OL, and got shouted down. My comment was "how can you ever know what he has if he has no OL"...and he didn't . Nor did he have a coach, who was a QB, a qB coach, an OC, and every other position coach on the field like...well GOAT, Coach Walsh. Coach Harbaugh has the same pedigree, and wallah....we suddenly have a very good Qb...same putz who has been here all along. Just drafting a player doesn't get it. Having an OL and a real coach are just as important. Don't believe it? Just review past 7 yrs and look at this yr. OL and Coach= very fine Qb, who is getting better by the game. Who woulda guessed? i did, but never knew for sure until JH and the OL appeared. Also it sure doesn't hurt to have a D that plays like 11 guys with their hair on fire.
I already stated my opinion about the guy and I feel its(his name) is not justified whether this forum holds more then US citizens or not. Not all Europeans believe in Socialism or Communism or other. Some would say that because of Socialism and the creation of the Euro, Europe has only gone down hill while China becoming more capitalist in how it handles its economy has become more powerful then even the US who is also under a socialistic regime with Barack Obama. But as you can see his name can bring out Non Football topics and this Forum is for Football not for politics or economics so I will stop here and I will not speak of it no more. Sorry if I just added more kinley to the fire.

I will state that we should not trade Willis for Luck. I think Luck will be a good QB but he is not worth such a trade and I don't think he will work out on the 49ers team. I do understand that he was coached by Jim and because of such chemistry good things could happen. But I feel with our 2 rookie QB's we already have and with a Solid QB in Alex Smith who is getting better every week. It would be in our better interest to improve other parts of our team that are in higher need. Like getting some improvements in our Secondary, OLine, WR's and what ever else that is weak on our team. Also I like Hunter but i'm unsure if he would make a good replacement for Gore so we might want to think about that as well.
Originally posted by whatawegot:
Originally posted by verb1der:
And people were willing to trade Patrick Willis for Andrew Luck.


i would trade willis for luck in a heartbeat. One for one. We can replace 60-80 percent of what willis offers in another lb. Id say larry grant is 60% of willis right now.. a Once in a lifetime shot to land a qb such as this you grab it. I dont think its too difficult to understand that this is a qb driven league. ALEX SMITH is not the answer for our future nor our launch of a new stadium.

You do understand that Luck is not a Drew Brees or an Aaron Rodgers right? Hes a more balanced QB a Game Manger if you will that places the ball in the hands of his running back just as much as he throws it down field. Hes good at what he does but he isn't all that much different then Alex Smith. So what would we really get?? We have 2 rookies already do you really want to add a 3rd rookie QB? Who might not even pan out and be a Ryan leaf or some other QB that was 1st Round and failed. Alex Smith is Rare hes a 1st round "bust" that turned out to actually not be but was put in only a position to be a bust till Jim came ans saved his bacon.
I think most can agree that Alex Smith is not our future but he is our present and until he is done and our 2 back ups are groomed to be good QB's he will be in his starter position. And if he gets us to the Superbowl and we just happen to win by some miracle you can bet your damn bacon that he will be staying a Starter for the foreseeable future. See what we do not want to do is get a QB to go straight into Starter position. We want to do what Greenbay did with Rodgers. Sit his ass for a few years let the NFL soak in then let him loose on people. Not pull a Mike Nolan and Jam a young Alex Smith into a situation where he will only fail.
Originally posted by boqi:
I've watched Luck practice at Stanford before a game as well as Alex Smith w/ the 49ers before a game and I can say that Andrew Luck is WAY more talented than Alex Smith. In practice, Alex Smith was throwing behind, too high, all over the place. Andrew Luck on the other hand was solid. His throws were right between the receivers' numbers every single time. I was impressed seeing it in person. Luck is also a bigger body and though he's "unproven" I think he's miles ahead of Alex Smith.

In response to Post #2, I would absolutely trade Luck for Patrick Willis, because the QB is THE most important position in the game and makes or breaks a franchise! Just look at the Colts.

All signs point to Luck being successful in the NFL, and with good coaching and especially HARBAUGH, it'd require a massive turn of events for Luck to ever, well...suck.

Why exactly would a team with the #1 pick give him up for Patrick Willis?....