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Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by BayArea:
I am anxious to see him try to find Harvin in the pocket when that dude is hard to see when your 6'2". One little guy throwing to another just sounds like it is bound to not work.

well , he's actually bigger than golden tate and doug baldwin.. seemed to find those guys just fine.....

Not from the pocket he didn't.
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
I agree that he's legit. Russell Wilson knows how to play the game and he's good at everything he does. But, on the other hand, there is a reason why so few players who are under 6 feet tall enjoy sustained success in the NFL. Only two players since 1950 who are Wilson's height or shorter have had any success at all. And the only players at 6 feet (2 inches taller than Russell) in the last 40 years who have had success are Brees, Thiesman and Tarkenton. I think it has something to do with NFL defenses studying film, learning their moves, and figuring out not only how to contain them in the pocket, but get in their faces and hit holes in pocket protection to knock them around. The shorter QB's almost always end up throwing more interceptions as well because safeties learn to hide behind linemen so their out of the line of site and trick them into throwing passes that have a better chance of being intercepted. Drew Brees had 19 interceptions last season.

So, while I know the Seahawks fans are tired of me pointing these things out, all I can say is I'm waiting for a season or two before I believe Russell Wilson can continue to perform like he did in the second half of last season.

well first of all he's not 5'10" he's just a shade under 5'11" . so they're not 2 inches taller.. but either way so by your own admission from your post, it has been done before, which leads one to believe it can be done again.. what intangibles does brees, tarkington, theisman, flutie have that RW doesn't other than that 1 1/4 inches? (excluding flutie)
Well, first of all, height is a tangible element to a QB that can be measured...hence, the word tangible. Second, it might be a little early to start comparing Wilson to Brees or Tarkenton. One great year as a rookie that no one was expecting is one thing. I certainly wouldn't start the Kap comparisons to Montana or Young just yet. All that said, Wilson's one aspect that potentially gives him the ability to overcome the height issue and inevitable scheming that will take place as teams get more tape on him is his amazing scrambling ability in and out of the pocket. I have to say, I have never seen someone be able to scramble that well and still maintain a semblance of where his receivers were down field. That is the intangible that sets Wilson apart. If he regressed in that one area alone, he would have a very tough time behind center.
Originally posted by VANiner:
Well, first of all, height is a tangible element to a QB that can be measured...hence, the word tangible. Second, it might be a little early to start comparing Wilson to Brees or Tarkenton. One great year as a rookie that no one was expecting is one thing. I certainly wouldn't start the Kap comparisons to Montana or Young just yet. All that said, Wilson's one aspect that potentially gives him the ability to overcome the height issue and inevitable scheming that will take place as teams get more tape on him is his amazing scrambling ability in and out of the pocket. I have to say, I have never seen someone be able to scramble that well and still maintain a semblance of where his receivers were down field. That is the intangible that sets Wilson apart. If he regressed in that one area alone, he would have a very tough time behind center.

I completely agree. His ability to scramble is nothing less than spectacular. He's literally the best scrambler I've seen since Fran Tarkenton. Two 16 second scrambles in the same game??!! Are you fricking kidding me?!
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by VANiner:
Well, first of all, height is a tangible element to a QB that can be measured...hence, the word tangible. Second, it might be a little early to start comparing Wilson to Brees or Tarkenton. One great year as a rookie that no one was expecting is one thing. I certainly wouldn't start the Kap comparisons to Montana or Young just yet. All that said, Wilson's one aspect that potentially gives him the ability to overcome the height issue and inevitable scheming that will take place as teams get more tape on him is his amazing scrambling ability in and out of the pocket. I have to say, I have never seen someone be able to scramble that well and still maintain a semblance of where his receivers were down field. That is the intangible that sets Wilson apart. If he regressed in that one area alone, he would have a very tough time behind center.

I completely agree. His ability to scramble is nothing less than spectacular. He's literally the best scrambler I've seen since Fran Tarkenton. Two 16 second scrambles in the same game??!! Are you fricking kidding me?!

Poor Ahmad was worn out after that game.
Originally posted by Beeker:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
Originally posted by VANiner:
Well, first of all, height is a tangible element to a QB that can be measured...hence, the word tangible. Second, it might be a little early to start comparing Wilson to Brees or Tarkenton. One great year as a rookie that no one was expecting is one thing. I certainly wouldn't start the Kap comparisons to Montana or Young just yet. All that said, Wilson's one aspect that potentially gives him the ability to overcome the height issue and inevitable scheming that will take place as teams get more tape on him is his amazing scrambling ability in and out of the pocket. I have to say, I have never seen someone be able to scramble that well and still maintain a semblance of where his receivers were down field. That is the intangible that sets Wilson apart. If he regressed in that one area alone, he would have a very tough time behind center.

I completely agree. His ability to scramble is nothing less than spectacular. He's literally the best scrambler I've seen since Fran Tarkenton. Two 16 second scrambles in the same game??!! Are you fricking kidding me?!

Poor Ahmad was worn out after that game.
I got tired watching our guys chase him around in the second game. I was literally physically winded (it probably had something to do with me screaming at the television for 16 seconds without taking a breath). Seriously, though, Wilson has a lot going for him (poise, smarts, accuracy, etc.) But his scrambling is bar none the best in the NFL. Take that away, and the height issue becomes a much bigger factor.
Wilson is partially the reason im hoping for a blitzing safety, smaller bodies cb/s can change direction quicker then big ones LB/DL
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Wilson is partially the reason im hoping for a blitzing safety, smaller bodies cb/s can change direction quicker then big ones LB/DL

I think we also might see some of Bowman and Willis hesitating and then shooting inside gaps that open up as the pass protection develops. That's what the Steelers used to do to Tarkenton and both our ILB's are incredibly fast and quick.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
I think we also might see some of Bowman and Willis hesitating and then shooting inside gaps that open up as the pass protection develops. That's what the Steelers used to do to Tarkenton and both our ILB's are incredibly fast and quick.

I think to a certain extent that will depend on how well our safeties handle coverage.
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
I think Gnielsen other point was is teams weren't prepared for Wilson last year, since it will be a year later teams have more time to study tape. With more time to study tape, teams might be able to keep him in the pocket, by keeping him in the pocket it forces Wilson to have to see over his own linemen, on top of having see over defensive linemen. However its one thing to study and prepare for it, its another thing to stop him on the field, we shall see
yep, this has been brought up before, but only problem with this strategy is, his numbers were much better in the pocket that outside the pocket accross the board.
To small of a number to call that successful, like posters have said before, need to see more.
when did this become the russell wilson thread? *__*
Originally posted by BayArea:
Not from the pocket he didn't.

uh ya he did... . need me to post his numbers inside and outside the pocket.? they're much better inside the pocket....
Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
To small of a number to call that successful, like posters have said before, need to see more.

too small a number? he's only played one season, it's all the numbers he has... i'm not saying career wise he'll be better from the pocket, i'm just saying last season he was much better from the pocket...
Originally posted by VANiner:
Well, first of all, height is a tangible element to a QB that can be measured...hence, the word tangible. Second, it might be a little early to start comparing Wilson to Brees or Tarkenton. One great year as a rookie that no one was expecting is one thing. I certainly wouldn't start the Kap comparisons to Montana or Young just yet. All that said, Wilson's one aspect that potentially gives him the ability to overcome the height issue and inevitable scheming that will take place as teams get more tape on him is his amazing scrambling ability in and out of the pocket. I have to say, I have never seen someone be able to scramble that well and still maintain a semblance of where his receivers were down field. That is the intangible that sets Wilson apart. If he regressed in that one area alone, he would have a very tough time behind center.
comparing him to bree's or tarkington isn't saying he'll have the same career as them.. it's comparing his playing style to theirs... wilson has to use passing lanes and rely on a strong accurate arm due to his height like drew bree's.. at times he has to scramble and buy time/extend plays , well nobody did it better than fran tarkington, so there is another comparison.. that's all i'm saying.. haven't quite put him in the hall of fame just yet...
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

::::::::: But with them having a much tougher schedule this coming season (while we have an easier schedule) I think they regress::::::

All we can base this coming season's SoS on is last season's results (and obviously things can change from year-to-year) but, according to that, it doesn't appear that the Hawks have the tougher schedule...

Niners SoS
home = .602
road = ..430

Hawks SoS
home = .430
road = .586
Originally posted by LisaTwelve:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

::::::::: But with them having a much tougher schedule this coming season (while we have an easier schedule) I think they regress::::::

All we can base this coming season's SoS on is last season's results (and obviously things can change from year-to-year) but, according to that, it doesn't appear that the Hawks have the tougher schedule...

Niners SoS
home = .602
road = ..430

Hawks SoS
home = .430
road = .586

True.
And really, you never know the strength until the season is over.
Some teams that look tough could end up being push-overs. Doormats could surprise a team here-and-there.
Strength of schedule for 2013 really doesn't much at this point.
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