Who would you rather have, Willis or Megatron ??

Originally posted by susweel:
Also Megatron is 6'5 and can jump out of the stadium. He can make most QBs look good. Wes Walker is good but Brady is the one that actually makes him what he is. Also he is not really much of a threat in the end zone.

Welker and Moss arrived in New England the same year. Before that, Brady did not put up the kind of numbers he has been putting up. I would argue that Welker has as much to do with Tom Brady's current run of statistical dominance as anything.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Despite his insane numbers this year, you could argue that Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald is better than Megatron. You could even argue, based on numbers, that Wes Welker is better. And there's another handful of guys like Dwayne Bowe or Steve Smith that are putting up crazy numbers, or who have great talent comparable to Calvin Johnson.

The only player that you could argue is better at his position than Willis is Ray Lewis, a sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famer. And even that, right now, is debatable.

Give me Willis, he is a rarer talent.

I actually disagree Willis is the rarer talent. Consider this: You just listed five other talented WRs, yet Calvin is (1) taller than all of them, (2) heavier than all of them, (3) a better leaper than all of them, and (4) probably faster than all of them too.

(I'm not sure on the last one; did Steve Smith run low 4.3s back in the day?)

yeah, but can you list 5 other ILB's who belong in the conversation with Willis?

We've been so deprived of a WR since TO left so i'm going with Megatron!!!

P-Willy in da house y'all

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Despite his insane numbers this year, you could argue that Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald is better than Megatron. You could even argue, based on numbers, that Wes Welker is better. And there's another handful of guys like Dwayne Bowe or Steve Smith that are putting up crazy numbers, or who have great talent comparable to Calvin Johnson.

The only player that you could argue is better at his position than Willis is Ray Lewis, a sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famer. And even that, right now, is debatable.

Give me Willis, he is a rarer talent.

I actually disagree Willis is the rarer talent. Consider this: You just listed five other talented WRs, yet Calvin is (1) taller than all of them, (2) heavier than all of them, (3) a better leaper than all of them, and (4) probably faster than all of them too.

(I'm not sure on the last one; did Steve Smith run low 4.3s back in the day?)

yeah, but can you list 5 other ILB's who belong in the conversation with Willis?

Well on measureables alone, such ILBs come into the league just about every year. I think Willis's greatness is harder to quantify than CJ's. So yeah, if by "talent" we are talking about his tenacity and competitiveness and nose for the football and the "whole package," then I might agree he's close to being the rarer talent.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Despite his insane numbers this year, you could argue that Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald is better than Megatron. You could even argue, based on numbers, that Wes Welker is better. And there's another handful of guys like Dwayne Bowe or Steve Smith that are putting up crazy numbers, or who have great talent comparable to Calvin Johnson.

The only player that you could argue is better at his position than Willis is Ray Lewis, a sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famer. And even that, right now, is debatable.

Give me Willis, he is a rarer talent.

I actually disagree Willis is the rarer talent. Consider this: You just listed five other talented WRs, yet Calvin is (1) taller than all of them, (2) heavier than all of them, (3) a better leaper than all of them, and (4) probably faster than all of them too.

(I'm not sure on the last one; did Steve Smith run low 4.3s back in the day?)

yeah, but can you list 5 other ILB's who belong in the conversation with Willis?

Well on measureables alone, such ILBs come into the league just about every year. I think Willis's greatness is harder to quantify than CJ's. So yeah, if by "talent" we are talking about his tenacity and competitiveness and nose for the football and the "whole package," then I might agree he's close to being the rarer talent.

Its not about being the rarer talent, its about who impacts the game in a more direct way. Nothing impacts a game more then scoring TDs IMO.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Despite his insane numbers this year, you could argue that Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald is better than Megatron. You could even argue, based on numbers, that Wes Welker is better. And there's another handful of guys like Dwayne Bowe or Steve Smith that are putting up crazy numbers, or who have great talent comparable to Calvin Johnson.

The only player that you could argue is better at his position than Willis is Ray Lewis, a sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famer. And even that, right now, is debatable.

Give me Willis, he is a rarer talent.

I actually disagree Willis is the rarer talent. Consider this: You just listed five other talented WRs, yet Calvin is (1) taller than all of them, (2) heavier than all of them, (3) a better leaper than all of them, and (4) probably faster than all of them too.

(I'm not sure on the last one; did Steve Smith run low 4.3s back in the day?)

yeah, but can you list 5 other ILB's who belong in the conversation with Willis?

I personally can't because for the most part ILB's don't stand out,(imo) its teh dlineman and the Db's.

Off the top of my head Beason, (i know he is injured) Ray lewis, Rey Malauga and bowman are the only other two ILB's that are playing out of their mind right now.

On another tier but still good you have Nick barnett, brian Cushing, a.j hawk, Rolando Mcclain.

I still think Megatron stands out, imagine if Alex smith had a "can't miss/fail" Wr to throw to. Who didnt ever alligator arm it, or quit on him.

Originally posted by susweel:
Watching Chronicle live last night and they posted this question

Who would your rather have on your team, Willis or Megatron ?


Ratto and Brain Murphy picked Willis and Inman picked Megatron. This is a hard choice for me because I think Willis is the best in the game at MLB and maybe overall defender. But I think I would go with Megatron because dude is money in the end zone, all you basically gotta do is throw the ball up and he is gonna come down with it. Scoring TDs is the name of the game.

Isn't stopping TDs also the name of the game? I got to go with Willis because he has been a 49er since 2007. I remember that there were rumors we would move up to get Calvin Johnson though.

You are a sick man. how dare you even ask the question?

Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Megatron, he is a game changer.

This.

P-Willy is a beast, but in terms of value... Megatron is the answer.

Willis will limit an opponents rushing attack singlehandedly, but he is still confined to playing 10 yards within the LOS (most of the time).

Megatron has proven that he can make any QB look good, and can singlehandedly bring his team back via the jump ball as long as his QB can get it anywhere close to him. The majority of Detroits comeback are due to being late in the game and Stafford thinkin "F it, just toss it up for Calvin." These comebacks arent Stafford making great reads and driving down the field, it's been throw it up to Calvin even when he's double & triple covered... doesn't take a top 5 QB to do that.

Again, Willis is a certified beast... but Calvin has more value in that the best WR in the NFL has more impact on the final outcome of a game over the best MLB. Teams can choose to pass to avoid Willis, but even triple coverage hasnt stopped CJ lately.

They are both arguably the best at their positions. So this to me comes down to which positions has the biggest impact on the game. The WR is only involved when the ball is thrown to him. LB can make a huge difference on every defensive snap. Therefore I take Willis everytime.


And Willis is a bad A$$

Neither. Alex Smith and Joshua "class" Morgan.

Right now at this moment Megatron cause he is explosive and we need WR bad. BUT long term and over a long career is easy Patrick Willis is a guy that makes an impact on every down. MLB is one of the most important pos in football. Its the qb of the defense and Willis is the best in the game by far.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Despite his insane numbers this year, you could argue that Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald is better than Megatron. You could even argue, based on numbers, that Wes Welker is better. And there's another handful of guys like Dwayne Bowe or Steve Smith that are putting up crazy numbers, or who have great talent comparable to Calvin Johnson.

The only player that you could argue is better at his position than Willis is Ray Lewis, a sure-fire, first ballot Hall of Famer. And even that, right now, is debatable.

Give me Willis, he is a rarer talent.

I actually disagree Willis is the rarer talent. Consider this: You just listed five other talented WRs, yet Calvin is (1) taller than all of them, (2) heavier than all of them, (3) a better leaper than all of them, and (4) probably faster than all of them too.

(I'm not sure on the last one; did Steve Smith run low 4.3s back in the day?)

yeah, but can you list 5 other ILB's who belong in the conversation with Willis?

Well on measureables alone, such ILBs come into the league just about every year. I think Willis's greatness is harder to quantify than CJ's. So yeah, if by "talent" we are talking about his tenacity and competitiveness and nose for the football and the "whole package," then I might agree he's close to being the rarer talent.

Its not about being the rarer talent, its about who impacts the game in a more direct way. Nothing impacts a game more then scoring TDs IMO.

fair enough, but if you were building a team from scratch, would you rather have the guy that is a once-in-a-generation talent, or the guy who is a once-every-few-years talent? That's not to say that Calvin isn't rare--he's a physical freak--but WR's of his level are much more common than LB's of Willis'.

Randy Moss and Terrell Owens have zero Super Bowl rings. Troy Brown has three.