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What can we do about the O-line?

Why did the Colts line start sucking all of a sudden?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Why did the Colts line start sucking all of a sudden?

theyre not doing that bad 8 qb hits on 5 sacks

and if im not mistaken they lost ryan lilja
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Why did the Colts line start sucking all of a sudden?

theyre not doing that bad 8 qb hits on 5 sacks

and if im not mistaken they lost ryan lilja
Then our OL isn't doing that bad either.
It usually take 2-3 years for an offensive line to gel assuming they're playing in the same system/scheme...Obviously our OCs have been a rotating out every year so that doesnt help the situation. Additionally some OL players are better suited for man-iso power style versus zone blocking schemes so when you draft a lineman for one system and it changes to another the next year with the OC, your draft pick(s) might be out of place.

It basically comes down to three things: Coaching, Scheme, Players....

I think the coaching staff is pretty solid overall but haven't had enough time to hammer down the whole scheme and playbook. Players are still assimilating the information and probably "thinking" of the play &responsibilities versus "reacting" which in the game of football compromises your playing speed and aggressiveness. BUT Im still not sure we have all the horses on the OL to run the race. Joe Staley is a shadow of himself after these knee injuries and does not present a formidable wall he once did. Additionally, Rachal is not playing consistent and Anthony Davis' play on the right side is spotty at times. Moreover I'm not sure Gore hasn't lost a step and one-half thus allowing those creases/holes to close before he can make it through. Combine that with an offense that doesn't want to throw the ball more than 20yds downfield, just begs the defense to stack the box and make you one-dimensional. Its a lot of factor in my mind but will get better the second half of the season when players build more comfort and confidence in their assignments.
[ Edited by Ninerwinner on Sep 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM ]
Ninerwinner, you just made my case for the last 8 yrs as to why the HC has to be an OC. 7-8 yrs of non continuity on the OL? Jeez, it is amazing these guys even know where to line up. That is why after the Saints and Texans debacles, I believe JH personally took command of teaching each OL guy how to play his position, where to be, how to pick up a blitz...and from where. How to cut block, how to take out a speed rusher, or double him (eg Ware) so he can't beat you. This is what i believe JH is working on daily...teaching these never professionally coached OL guys how to passblock. Maybe by end of yr he can then work with them on runblocking. This is a rebuild yr. I know, i know, we have heard that before. But this truly is because we have a guy who knows how to coach every position on this team...and we have not had that since the GOAT Coach, Coach Walsh. You watch. We'll skip the 2-14 season(we've already done those) , go 6-10 this yr, and then bingo. (yeah, i was praying while writing this).
Thing is, it is a very doable scenario, but it honest to goodness depends on JH being able to coach up the OL. I think he can do it this yr.

then, next yr, draft, trade up for not QB, but CB, DBs. Would i take the #1 pick in the draft for our qB? with Luck, yeah. But that probably isn't going to happen, so we should trade up(if warranted for two firsts, DB and CB, and make our 2nd another CB/DB. QB we get later or kap comes thru.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Why did the Colts line start sucking all of a sudden?

The colts line has been steadily declining for years.
Originally posted by aTx49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Why did the Colts line start sucking all of a sudden?

The colts line has been steadily declining for years.

Half the Colts line has 1 year of NFL exp. or less.
Originally posted by aTx49er:
The colts line has been steadily declining for years.
It started when Indy gave the Niners a first rounder to trade up and get Tony Ugoh as their starting LT . Tony as well all know is no longer playing in the NFL.
theres nothing we can do
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
his pocket awareness does suck pretty bad..


gotta give him props for not fumbling on that hit by Ware though. Them tiny hands must be really strong.

That was borderline amazing...not gonna lie
All the great ones have it (or had it) Namath, Marino, Joe, Steve, Johnny U, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. I wonder, can that sixth sense, the sense of imminent and rapidly approaching doom, be taught, or is that something you just have to be born with. My guess is that it can in part, be learned, but it helps immeasurably if you possess the sixth sense. At yrs end I suspect we will know if alex could be taught that sixth sense. Why? Because his HC is an OC and a QB coach. At the very least i bet JH teaches him to at least "think" about someone coming at him 60 mph on the blind side. He cannot get worse at this in that he has had no apparent sixth sense since coming here. This will be a fascinating thing to see if it can be coached.

Also for those guys really down on alex for a litany of reasons, my favorite being his hands are too small, that was obviously disproved by the tackle mentioned above...and in a # of other cases too.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
theyre not doing that bad 8 qb hits on 5 sacks

and if im not mistaken they lost ryan lilja


Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Why did the Colts line start sucking all of a sudden?

theyre not doing that bad 8 qb hits on 5 sacks

and if im not mistaken they lost ryan lilja
Then our OL isn't doing that bad either.

I'm pretty sure they have had more passing attempts this year than we have, so that qualifies us as doing worse if we are getting more sacks/hits with less attempts.
Smith's hands were measured some years ago and were average for a QB. He has had a few spectacular fumbles but not more than most QBs.
A few of the sacks were completely unblocked. That tells me the OL is still learning the scheme. A few times players got beat, but most sacks from them sending more than we had to block or someone missing an assignment. Smith's pocket awareness is still not very good, so that factors in as well.
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Banned from 49erswebzone.

Fixed.