why do we never throw the ball down the field?

You guys are such rays of sunshine...rooting for failure is not my idea of being a fan!

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
At the risk of being too positive after a loss, I thought this was Smith's best game in years. The interception was disappointing but other than that he made plays with his legs, threw a very nice long pass after the errant snap, and generally played with heart and toughness. His team mates were very positive about his performance so he is building a leadership perona.

At the beginning of preseason I thought the 9ers would be blown out by any decent team and struggle against the very worst, at least until mid-season when they would start to settle into the new offense and defense. They are ahead of schedule, though the loss was agonizing.

Haven't figured out why the run game is so bad but someone mentioned switching blocking schemes and that is probably the reason. No one is pointing fingers yet and that is also a good sign. They will continue to improve and I would expect they will still have a decent record this year--8-8 or 9-7.

They desperately need speed and playmakers at WR and DBs. I thought Edwards and Crabtree would become a good pairing but that seems unlikely now. Ginn is just not able to catch consistently...and explain that to me! Can catch a punt but not a pass? Depth perception? Morgan is one of my favorites but he is a 3rd or 4th at best. At the moment...is Rogers the only DB playing decently? Whitner? Wow did I overrate these guys...or is it the loss of Spencer?

I was only upset with the one decision by Harbaugh. But besides that, and the fact that we lost, everything else was about what I expected or much better.

Much better:
1) Alex Smith is making plays in this offense. "Making plays" meaning: Throwing off balance, throwing on the move, throwing with pressure.
2) Pass rush was fantastic. McDonald is a beast, Aldon Smith was a half step from a sack several times but Romo gets rid of the ball so darn quick. Brooks was good too, and Haralson wasn't too bad either. (Obviously, we all now JS is a beast).
3) Bowman is a player, he will be a very good player in this league, he is already a good player.
4) Play calling was pretty good. It's not the play callers fault that Smith doesn't throw deep. He doesn't have the moxie of a Cam Newton or Tony Romo. He likes to play it safe, that's just how he's wired.

What I expected:
1) Gore not getting going. At this point, teams are game planning for Gore 90% and game planning for Smith 10%. With more passing yards, we can take the pressure off of Gore. The pass sets up the run in the WCO. On one-on-one's Smith needs to go down field more. Give Vernon a chance to catch a jump ball.
2) Pass defense. Much of it was to the TE. We have a third string safety and a backup corner in their right now. Tony Romo might make mistakes, but he makes up for them with big plays. That is his MO.
3) O-line was able to give Smith some good time in the first half. Then their defense made adjustments and destroyed our play-action before it got started in the second half. Our half time adjustments need work. We need to get away from the roll outs and quick screens.

Need to get better:
1) We need a more aggressive mindset. If you get awarded a 15 yard penalty for a first down, you take it. 15 yards is a lot; time off the clock is important when you're ahead in the 4th quarter. If you're down by 10, with 11 min left, you take the 3 points, but if you're up by 7, you've got to take advantage of huge, momentum changing penalties. Expect to score a TD, burn some clock, go for the win. Prepare for the worst, but don't fear it.

What are you talking about? I hate when posters try and pretend like they know what someone does or doesn't like to do. It's almost as bad as when they try to assume they know what Bill Walsh would do with the players of this team now.

Ginn, Morgan, Davis, Crabtree, Walker are always going on deep routes, Smith chooses the check down. I have seen it, over and over and over. For example, in the preseason, Davis was running a post corner. He had a safety behind him, but if Smith threw to the corner, he would have easily beat the safety.

So I guess the Colts play calling is preventing their quarterback from going deep also?
And I guess Carolina is calling for more "deep passes" then we have in the last 7 years?

You think its a coincidence that Smith has only thrown for over 300 yards 2-3 times in 7 seasons? Occam's razor says that instead of coming up with 100 other excuses, instead of blaming 3 different coaches, 7 different coordinators, dozens of different O-linemen and WR's, its probably best to go with the common denominator over the last 7 seasons.

Smith is playing well, but YES, he likes the check down.

Originally posted by BrianGO:


Ginn, Morgan, Davis, Crabtree, Walker are always going on deep routes, Smith chooses the check down. I have seen it, over and over and over. For example, in the preseason, Davis was running a post corner. He had a safety behind him, but if Smith threw to the corner, he would have easily beat the safety.

So I guess the Colts play calling is preventing their quarterback from going deep also?
And I guess Carolina is calling for more "deep passes" then we have in the last 7 years?

You think its a coincidence that Smith has only thrown for over 300 yards 2-3 times in 7 seasons? Occam's razor says that instead of coming up with 100 other excuses, instead of blaming 3 different coaches, 7 different coordinators, dozens of different O-linemen and WR's, its probably best to go with the common denominator over the last 7 seasons.

Smith is playing well, but YES, he likes the check down.

This. In many of the games he contributes to losses without making up for it with stellar plays. Barely has any comeback wins. Rarely throws for over 250 yards much less 300.

Checks the ball down. Indecisive. Misses open WRs.

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
At the risk of being too positive after a loss, I thought this was Smith's best game in years. The interception was disappointing but other than that he made plays with his legs, threw a very nice long pass after the errant snap, and generally played with heart and toughness. His team mates were very positive about his performance so he is building a leadership perona.

At the beginning of preseason I thought the 9ers would be blown out by any decent team and struggle against the very worst, at least until mid-season when they would start to settle into the new offense and defense. They are ahead of schedule, though the loss was agonizing.

Haven't figured out why the run game is so bad but someone mentioned switching blocking schemes and that is probably the reason. No one is pointing fingers yet and that is also a good sign. They will continue to improve and I would expect they will still have a decent record this year--8-8 or 9-7.

They desperately need speed and playmakers at WR and DBs. I thought Edwards and Crabtree would become a good pairing but that seems unlikely now. Ginn is just not able to catch consistently...and explain that to me! Can catch a punt but not a pass? Depth perception? Morgan is one of my favorites but he is a 3rd or 4th at best. At the moment...is Rogers the only DB playing decently? Whitner? Wow did I overrate these guys...or is it the loss of Spencer?

I was only upset with the one decision by Harbaugh. But besides that, and the fact that we lost, everything else was about what I expected or much better.

Much better:
1) Alex Smith is making plays in this offense. "Making plays" meaning: Throwing off balance, throwing on the move, throwing with pressure.
2) Pass rush was fantastic. McDonald is a beast, Aldon Smith was a half step from a sack several times but Romo gets rid of the ball so darn quick. Brooks was good too, and Haralson wasn't too bad either. (Obviously, we all now JS is a beast).
3) Bowman is a player, he will be a very good player in this league, he is already a good player.
4) Play calling was pretty good. It's not the play callers fault that Smith doesn't throw deep. He doesn't have the moxie of a Cam Newton or Tony Romo. He likes to play it safe, that's just how he's wired.

What I expected:
1) Gore not getting going. At this point, teams are game planning for Gore 90% and game planning for Smith 10%. With more passing yards, we can take the pressure off of Gore. The pass sets up the run in the WCO. On one-on-one's Smith needs to go down field more. Give Vernon a chance to catch a jump ball.
2) Pass defense. Much of it was to the TE. We have a third string safety and a backup corner in their right now. Tony Romo might make mistakes, but he makes up for them with big plays. That is his MO.
3) O-line was able to give Smith some good time in the first half. Then their defense made adjustments and destroyed our play-action before it got started in the second half. Our half time adjustments need work. We need to get away from the roll outs and quick screens.

Need to get better:
1) We need a more aggressive mindset. If you get awarded a 15 yard penalty for a first down, you take it. 15 yards is a lot; time off the clock is important when you're ahead in the 4th quarter. If you're down by 10, with 11 min left, you take the 3 points, but if you're up by 7, you've got to take advantage of huge, momentum changing penalties. Expect to score a TD, burn some clock, go for the win. Prepare for the worst, but don't fear it.

What are you talking about? I hate when posters try and pretend like they know what someone does or doesn't like to do. It's almost as bad as when they try to assume they know what Bill Walsh would do with the players of this team now.

Ginn, Morgan, Davis, Crabtree, Walker are always going on deep routes, Smith chooses the check down. I have seen it, over and over and over. For example, in the preseason, Davis was running a post corner. He had a safety behind him, but if Smith threw to the corner, he would have easily beat the safety.

So I guess the Colts play calling is preventing their quarterback from going deep also?
And I guess Carolina is calling for more "deep passes" then we have in the last 7 years?

You think its a coincidence that Smith has only thrown for over 300 yards 2-3 times in 7 seasons? Occam's razor says that instead of coming up with 100 other excuses, instead of blaming 3 different coaches, 7 different coordinators, dozens of different O-linemen and WR's, its probably best to go with the common denominator over the last 7 seasons.

Smith is playing well, but YES, he likes the check down.

I have not seen very many deep routes by 49er receivers. I have seen some deeper crossing patterns that are only there to open up shorter routes. You can tell by the fact the receiver runs right into the face of the safety. It is an obvious attempt to keep the safety from camping on the short route.

Need to open things up in a legit way, not just some decoy routes.

I want Jimmy Raye back!!!

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
At the risk of being too positive after a loss, I thought this was Smith's best game in years. The interception was disappointing but other than that he made plays with his legs, threw a very nice long pass after the errant snap, and generally played with heart and toughness. His team mates were very positive about his performance so he is building a leadership perona.

At the beginning of preseason I thought the 9ers would be blown out by any decent team and struggle against the very worst, at least until mid-season when they would start to settle into the new offense and defense. They are ahead of schedule, though the loss was agonizing.

Haven't figured out why the run game is so bad but someone mentioned switching blocking schemes and that is probably the reason. No one is pointing fingers yet and that is also a good sign. They will continue to improve and I would expect they will still have a decent record this year--8-8 or 9-7.

They desperately need speed and playmakers at WR and DBs. I thought Edwards and Crabtree would become a good pairing but that seems unlikely now. Ginn is just not able to catch consistently...and explain that to me! Can catch a punt but not a pass? Depth perception? Morgan is one of my favorites but he is a 3rd or 4th at best. At the moment...is Rogers the only DB playing decently? Whitner? Wow did I overrate these guys...or is it the loss of Spencer?

I was only upset with the one decision by Harbaugh. But besides that, and the fact that we lost, everything else was about what I expected or much better.

Much better:
1) Alex Smith is making plays in this offense. "Making plays" meaning: Throwing off balance, throwing on the move, throwing with pressure.
2) Pass rush was fantastic. McDonald is a beast, Aldon Smith was a half step from a sack several times but Romo gets rid of the ball so darn quick. Brooks was good too, and Haralson wasn't too bad either. (Obviously, we all now JS is a beast).
3) Bowman is a player, he will be a very good player in this league, he is already a good player.
4) Play calling was pretty good. It's not the play callers fault that Smith doesn't throw deep. He doesn't have the moxie of a Cam Newton or Tony Romo. He likes to play it safe, that's just how he's wired.

What I expected:
1) Gore not getting going. At this point, teams are game planning for Gore 90% and game planning for Smith 10%. With more passing yards, we can take the pressure off of Gore. The pass sets up the run in the WCO. On one-on-one's Smith needs to go down field more. Give Vernon a chance to catch a jump ball.
2) Pass defense. Much of it was to the TE. We have a third string safety and a backup corner in their right now. Tony Romo might make mistakes, but he makes up for them with big plays. That is his MO.
3) O-line was able to give Smith some good time in the first half. Then their defense made adjustments and destroyed our play-action before it got started in the second half. Our half time adjustments need work. We need to get away from the roll outs and quick screens.

Need to get better:
1) We need a more aggressive mindset. If you get awarded a 15 yard penalty for a first down, you take it. 15 yards is a lot; time off the clock is important when you're ahead in the 4th quarter. If you're down by 10, with 11 min left, you take the 3 points, but if you're up by 7, you've got to take advantage of huge, momentum changing penalties. Expect to score a TD, burn some clock, go for the win. Prepare for the worst, but don't fear it.

What are you talking about? I hate when posters try and pretend like they know what someone does or doesn't like to do. It's almost as bad as when they try to assume they know what Bill Walsh would do with the players of this team now.

Ginn, Morgan, Davis, Crabtree, Walker are always going on deep routes, Smith chooses the check down. I have seen it, over and over and over. For example, in the preseason, Davis was running a post corner. He had a safety behind him, but if Smith threw to the corner, he would have easily beat the safety.

So I guess the Colts play calling is preventing their quarterback from going deep also?
And I guess Carolina is calling for more "deep passes" then we have in the last 7 years?

You think its a coincidence that Smith has only thrown for over 300 yards 2-3 times in 7 seasons? Occam's razor says that instead of coming up with 100 other excuses, instead of blaming 3 different coaches, 7 different coordinators, dozens of different O-linemen and WR's, its probably best to go with the common denominator over the last 7 seasons.

Smith is playing well, but YES, he likes the check down.

You do realize that the OLine has to give Smith the time to go through his progressions and that the receivers have to actually be open before the ball can be thrown to any receiver right? BTW Gore was second to last in receptions yards on Sunday, just an FYI. If Smith only checks the ball down then Gore would have led the team in receptions and yards. Alex Smith hit 7 different receivers....not exactly just checking the ball down now is it.

Originally posted by 190836:
I want Jimmy Raye back!!!

ignorance is bliss

Originally posted by captveg:

E) No time for pass blocking on 7-step drops

this

Cause Gore is averaging 2.5 yards a carry this year, and nobody will bite on the PA

Originally posted by Joecool:

You know as well as I do that a deep route can be called with a 3-step drop. I don't know if they were called or not since we have to see coaches film or something but all I know is that receivers are slow when they are 49ers but all of a sudden get fast when they go somewhere else. They either are not used properly in terms of play call or they are not being thrown to.

I don't believe Lloyd is any faster than Morgan and we all saw Jason Hill's "speed" here but then he gets multiple deep balls immediately after getting on a new team.

I do think QB plays a role in this but then again, we don't know if the play is being called.

Three step drops only go for short gains unless the receiver breaks a tackle or coverage is blown. They are designed to get rid of the ball quickly, deep routes take at least five and usually seven step drops.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by 190836:
I want Jimmy Raye back!!!

ignorance is bliss

Don't get personal! Do you even get what sarcasm is?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
You know as well as I do that a deep route can be called with a 3-step drop. I don't know if they were called or not since we have to see coaches film or something but all I know is that receivers are slow when they are 49ers but all of a sudden get fast when they go somewhere else. They either are not used properly in terms of play call or they are not being thrown to.

I don't believe Lloyd is any faster than Morgan and we all saw Jason Hill's "speed" here but then he gets multiple deep balls immediately after getting on a new team.

I do think QB plays a role in this but then again, we don't know if the play is being called.

Three step drops only go for short gains unless the receiver breaks a tackle or coverage is blown. They are designed to get rid of the ball quickly, deep routes take at least five and usually seven step drops.

Here's an explanation of the 7-step drop from Walsh.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=7+step+drop+quarterback&pbx=1&oq=7+step+drop&aq=1&aqi=g3g-v1&aql=1&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=2010l6721l0l9493l11l11l0l0l0l0l1221l7294l3-1.4.2.3.1l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=bbee5fb44766566e&biw=1366&bih=637

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

You know as well as I do that a deep route can be called with a 3-step drop. I don't know if they were called or not since we have to see coaches film or something but all I know is that receivers are slow when they are 49ers but all of a sudden get fast when they go somewhere else. They either are not used properly in terms of play call or they are not being thrown to.

I don't believe Lloyd is any faster than Morgan and we all saw Jason Hill's "speed" here but then he gets multiple deep balls immediately after getting on a new team.

I do think QB plays a role in this but then again, we don't know if the play is being called.

Three step drops only go for short gains unless the receiver breaks a tackle or coverage is blown. They are designed to get rid of the ball quickly, deep routes take at least five and usually seven step drops.

Here's an explanation of the 7-step drop from Walsh.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=7+step+drop+quarterback&pbx=1&oq=7+step+drop&aq=1&aqi=g3g-v1&aql=1&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=2010l6721l0l9493l11l11l0l0l0l0l1221l7294l3-1.4.2.3.1l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=bbee5fb44766566e&biw=1366&bih=637

All of the guys b***hing should check out the wiki entry on the WCO. Those that are doggin Smith are just ignorant of the situation, and should really make an effort to educate themselves. All I have to say about the Suck for Luck crowd is that you are going to be disappointed because we are going to be drafting much later than he will be taken. Almost as disappointed as you are making your fellow fans. Fans do not root for their teams to suck, not real ones anyway.

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by 190836:
I want Jimmy Raye back!!!

ignorance is bliss

Don't get personal! Do you even get what sarcasm is?

Think you were hoisted on your own petard?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
All of the guys b***hing should check out the wiki entry on the WCO. Those that are doggin Smith are just ignorant of the situation, and should really make an effort to educate themselves. All I have to say about the Suck for Luck crowd is that you are going to be disappointed because we are going to be drafting much later than he will be taken. Almost as disappointed as you are making your fellow fans. Fans do not root for their teams to suck, not real ones anyway.

Immature fans might but then reading their comments is optional! I agree with you regarding the WCO and appeciate your postive objectivity!