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Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
In two games, ROOKIE Andy Dalton, who went to one of the most dysfunctional teams in the league, ranks No. 8 in the NFL in passer rating (105.7)

What's his excuse, and why is he better than Alex Smith in year 7? We'll find out this Sunday. If Andy was our QB and stunk it up, we'd have every excuse in the book ready for him, but he went to a worse team and is lighting it up so far.

Watching all these QBs come out of college to the worst teams in the league (like Smith did) and just flat out play is getting irritating. No wonder I'm so pissed about this slow learning, inaccurate, hesitant, and non-instinctual player we have at QB for the last 7 years and counting.

He has face two of the worst pass defending teams in the NFL, just give it a rest man, everybody knows what you think and that you are not going to change your mind or anyone else's.
it's double standards is all it is. When other QBs do well, it's because their teammates are HOF bound, or their defense is devestating, or they played inept teams. When Smith plays well, it's because he is finally in a situation where he personally can strut his stuff. However, if he plays bad, then it's back on coaching and his teammates. Smith is the teflon kid! Nothing sticks to him...

Name one WR who has been on team for more than 2 years while Alex was playing who has had significant success elsewhere. Just one.
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
it's double standards is all it is. When other QBs do well, it's because their teammates are HOF bound, or their defense is devestating, or they played inept teams. When Smith plays well, it's because he is finally in a situation where he personally can strut his stuff. However, if he plays bad, then it's back on coaching and his teammates. Smith is the teflon kid! Nothing sticks to him...

See my last post, it really isn't worth arguing about anymore,Smith is the qb, he is the only one we hapve that gives us any chance to win. You have already admitted that he is playing better, why start with this again? I have heard you are a good guy from people I trust on here that know you and have no interest in getting into a heated argument over something that is been discussed and debated until there is nothing left to say on the subject. Let's just root for the guy until he's not in a niner uniform anymore, that won't hurt anyone, and it will keep the drama to a minimum. It is quite obvious to any reasonable person that Smith is not a problem this year.

I'm frustrated that other QBs can land in the NFL in bad situations and play well and we haven't had that here since Jeff Garcia left. I'm further frustrated that fans tolerate this and make excuses to somehow justify this situation.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
In two games, ROOKIE Andy Dalton, who went to one of the most dysfunctional teams in the league, ranks No. 8 in the NFL in passer rating (105.7)

What's his excuse, and why is he better than Alex Smith in year 7? We'll find out this Sunday. If Andy was our QB and stunk it up, we'd have every excuse in the book ready for him, but he went to a worse team and is lighting it up so far.

Watching all these QBs come out of college to the worst teams in the league (like Smith did) and just flat out play is getting irritating. No wonder I'm so pissed about this slow learning, inaccurate, hesitant, and non-instinctual player we have at QB for the last 7 years and counting.

He has face two of the worst pass defending teams in the NFL, just give it a rest man, everybody knows what you think and that you are not going to change your mind or anyone else's.
it's double standards is all it is. When other QBs do well, it's because their teammates are HOF bound, or their defense is devestating, or they played inept teams. When Smith plays well, it's because he is finally in a situation where he personally can strut his stuff. However, if he plays bad, then it's back on coaching and his teammates. Smith is the teflon kid! Nothing sticks to him...

Name one WR who has been on team for more than 2 years while Alex was playing who has had significant success elsewhere. Just one.
Brandon Llyod, Antonio Bryant
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Brandon Llyod, Antonio Bryant

Lloyd and Smith played like 9 games together and LLoyd finalyl had success like 5 years after leaving the niners . ill give you Antonio Bryant
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
In two games, ROOKIE Andy Dalton, who went to one of the most dysfunctional teams in the league, ranks No. 8 in the NFL in passer rating (105.7)

What's his excuse, and why is he better than Alex Smith in year 7? We'll find out this Sunday. If Andy was our QB and stunk it up, we'd have every excuse in the book ready for him, but he went to a worse team and is lighting it up so far.

Watching all these QBs come out of college to the worst teams in the league (like Smith did) and just flat out play is getting irritating. No wonder I'm so pissed about this slow learning, inaccurate, hesitant, and non-instinctual player we have at QB for the last 7 years and counting.

He has face two of the worst pass defending teams in the NFL, just give it a rest man, everybody knows what you think and that you are not going to change your mind or anyone else's.
it's double standards is all it is. When other QBs do well, it's because their teammates are HOF bound, or their defense is devestating, or they played inept teams. When Smith plays well, it's because he is finally in a situation where he personally can strut his stuff. However, if he plays bad, then it's back on coaching and his teammates. Smith is the teflon kid! Nothing sticks to him...

Name one WR who has been on team for more than 2 years while Alex was playing who has had significant success elsewhere. Just one.
Brandon Llyod, Antonio Bryant

Antonio was only here one season. Brandon Llyod? Significant success? He's had one good season in his career. And just recently. He might do it again. For him it wasn't talent..it was attitude..and he didn't have the right attitude for 8 years. His career yardage in those 8 years is less than 4,000 yards. That's not my idea of significant success.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Brandon Llyod, Antonio Bryant

Lloyd and Smith played like 9 games together and LLoyd finalyl had success like 5 years after leaving the niners . ill give you Antonio Bryant

Besides the fact that Antonio was here one season and I asked for 2...Antonio has had 2 1,000 yard seasons...one before the 9ers and one after. Other than that in 8 years he's racked up about 5,500 yards...a little better than Alligator arms.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Brandon Llyod, Antonio Bryant

Lloyd and Smith played like 9 games together and LLoyd finalyl had success like 5 years after leaving the niners . ill give you Antonio Bryant

Yes but other teams are passing well with just as much talent at WR as these two guys have. It's either our playcalling or our QB. We should finally have an answer as this season progresses.

Ted Ginn isn't a slouch either. He's had respectable stats in MIA, a team that has had multiple QB issues and very conservative offense.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Yes but other teams are passing well with just as much talent at WR as these two guys have. It's either our playcalling or our QB. We should finally have an answer as this season progresses.

Ted Ginn isn't a slouch either. He's had respectable stats in MIA, a team that has had multiple QB issues and very conservative offense.

The fact that they traded him away for a fifth doesn't speak too highly of Miami's opinion of him though.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Yes but other teams are passing well with just as much talent at WR as these two guys have. It's either our playcalling or our QB. We should finally have an answer as this season progresses.

Ted Ginn isn't a slouch either. He's had respectable stats in MIA, a team that has had multiple QB issues and very conservative offense.

The fact that they traded him away for a fifth doesn't speak too highly of Miami's opinion of him though.

The knock was he wasn't holding on to the ball in Miami. THey were not happy ith someone who could run fast but never caught the ball.
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[ Edited by Jakemall on Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM ]
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
it's double standards is all it is. When other QBs do well, it's because their teammates are HOF bound, or their defense is devestating, or they played inept teams. When Smith plays well, it's because he is finally in a situation where he personally can strut his stuff. However, if he plays bad, then it's back on coaching and his teammates. Smith is the teflon kid! Nothing sticks to him...

See my last post, it really isn't worth arguing about anymore,Smith is the qb, he is the only one we hapve that gives us any chance to win. You have already admitted that he is playing better, why start with this again? I have heard you are a good guy from people I trust on here that know you and have no interest in getting into a heated argument over something that is been discussed and debated until there is nothing left to say on the subject. Let's just root for the guy until he's not in a niner uniform anymore, that won't hurt anyone, and it will keep the drama to a minimum. It is quite obvious to any reasonable person that Smith is not a problem this year.

I'm frustrated that other QBs can land in the NFL in bad situations and play well and we haven't had that here since Jeff Garcia left. I'm further frustrated that fans tolerate this and make excuses to somehow justify this situation.

That's more of an internal issue with you not being able to accept that there are more factors in the equation than just Smith. He has not been the sole, of even main reason this team has struggled. We have had owners with no clue hiring coaches with no clue trying to teach a qb with skill but no clue. Now we have owners that are starting to figure it out that have hired a coach that is known for grooming qb talent and it is showing results. I know it is a lot to ask, but if Joe Montana says have some motherf**kin patience, you gotta have some motherf**kin patience.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Yes but other teams are passing well with just as much talent at WR as these two guys have. It's either our playcalling or our QB. We should finally have an answer as this season progresses.

Ted Ginn isn't a slouch either. He's had respectable stats in MIA, a team that has had multiple QB issues and very conservative offense.

The fact that they traded him away for a fifth doesn't speak too highly of Miami's opinion of him though.

The knock was he wasn't holding on to the ball in Miami. THey were not happy ith someone who could run fast but never caught the ball.

That has nothing to do with what he can do. MIA's philosphy wasn't fitting with Ginn and they weren't using him. Look at Brandon Marshal. He had 3 straight 100 catch seasons on a Broncos team with different QB's. He goes to MIA and it drops to 86 catches.

The WR position and results rely heavy on the play call and the QB more than a QB relies on the WR. MIA isn't a WR friendly system or doesn't have the QB's who can light it up. We weren't much different.
Originally posted by Joecool:
That has nothing to do with what he can do. MIA's philosphy wasn't fitting with Ginn and they weren't using him. Look at Brandon Marshal. He had 3 straight 100 catch seasons on a Broncos team with different QB's. He goes to MIA and it drops to 86 catches.

The WR position and results rely heavy on the play call and the QB more than a QB relies on the WR. MIA isn't a WR friendly system or doesn't have the QB's who can light it up. We weren't much different.

That and he couldn't catch the ball, he still has poor hands, but I love him as a return man.
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Shaj:
it's double standards is all it is. When other QBs do well, it's because their teammates are HOF bound, or their defense is devestating, or they played inept teams. When Smith plays well, it's because he is finally in a situation where he personally can strut his stuff. However, if he plays bad, then it's back on coaching and his teammates. Smith is the teflon kid! Nothing sticks to him...

See my last post, it really isn't worth arguing about anymore,Smith is the qb, he is the only one we hapve that gives us any chance to win. You have already admitted that he is playing better, why start with this again? I have heard you are a good guy from people I trust on here that know you and have no interest in getting into a heated argument over something that is been discussed and debated until there is nothing left to say on the subject. Let's just root for the guy until he's not in a niner uniform anymore, that won't hurt anyone, and it will keep the drama to a minimum. It is quite obvious to any reasonable person that Smith is not a problem this year.

I'm frustrated that other QBs can land in the NFL in bad situations and play well and we haven't had that here since Jeff Garcia left. I'm further frustrated that fans tolerate this and make excuses to somehow justify this situation.

That's more of an internal issue with you not being able to accept that there are more factors in the equation than just Smith. He has not been the sole, of even main reason this team has struggled. We have had owners with no clue hiring coaches with no clue trying to teach a qb with skill but no clue. Now we have owners that are starting to figure it out that have hired a coach that is known for grooming qb talent and it is showing results. I know it is a lot to ask, but if Joe Montana says have some motherf**kin patience, you gotta have some motherf**kin patience.

Patience is for complacent federal govt employees, not the NFL. The Panthers didn't need to be patient with Cam, the Rams didn't need to be patient with Bradford, the Bengals didn't need to be patient with Andy Dalton, the Steelers didn't need to be patient with Big Ben, the Ravens didn't need to be patient with Flacco... should I keep going? Bottom line is, good QBs can play well with mediocre environments and bad QBs need EVERYTHING to be right just to be mediocre or at best slightly above average. Wake up and raise your expectations to what is happening in the rest of the NFL. We are in year SEVEN of a failed experiment, people.
why wont this thred f**king die