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Nice win, but I'm still not happy about the play calling!

Yea, I came out of the bathroom and my wife says, "Hey sweetie, did Jimmy Raye come back?" The drink went right through the nose. We laughed so hard and then we were like , Jimmy Raye, .

Man, it was sooooo bad offensively last year.

Still, I hope it opens up soon.
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by Joecool:
The Panthers, playing the Cam Newton did, have a better chance at beating a team like the Cowboys than we do. You can say what you want about one win just like how we went 3-1 a few years back and everyone was saying "a win is a win" but winning like this is going to lose in most games.

But at the same time no one expects this team to do much this year. To think otherwise is plain retarded. The team has to take the wins where it can and hopefully show improvement every week.

In the NFL, in 2011, wins are expected and can easily be obtained under the conditions our team is in.
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by verb1der:
One thing I noticed during the game was Alex was reluctant to pull the trigger on certain pass plays, he ended up checking it down.

And that is why I think we were being conservative, harbs is building his confidence back. If nothing else I am so much happier just to see him scramble again, he should have done that many times last year, instead of holding the ball too long and getting sacked.

Yeah I really liked how he's now using his mobility.

But there's going to be games where Niners will be trailing, I want to see Alex pull a come from behind, then the haters will be lovers.
LOL this is so ridiculous. Cam Newton is in a whole different category talent wise. It's such a stupid comparison. The only thing these guys have in common is the title of #1 overall pick. That's it. They are two diff types of QBs, two diff playing styles, and obviously WAY different talent levels. Cam Newton is easily one of the most gifted athletes to come out in the last 5-10 years. Alex Smith (as a college prospect) was a PRO-JECT! Get it? Smith was you run of the mill project QB that could have been good with proper development. Newton isn't as much of a project because of his natural ability and instincts.

If you're going to compare Newton to Alex, then you may as well compare him to Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and any other QB picked high. Using zone logic he's going to be better than all of them.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
LOL this is so ridiculous. Cam Newton is in a whole different category talent wise. It's such a stupid comparison. The only thing these guys have in common is the title of #1 overall pick. That's it. They are two diff types of QBs, two diff playing styles, and obviously WAY different talent levels. Cam Newton is easily one of the most gifted athletes to come out in the last 5-10 years. Alex Smith (as a college prospect) was a PRO-JECT! Get it? Smith was you run of the mill project QB that could have been good with proper development. Newton isn't as much of a project because of his natural ability and instincts.

If you're going to compare Newton to Alex, then you may as well compare him to Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and any other QB picked high. Using zone logic he's going to be better than all of them.

I think you are missing the point. Our coach said he didn't really know what he had with this team, therefore, his sorry ass game plan. What the other poster was commenting on and the problem Im having trouble with is how much could Carolina's coaching staff have know about rookie Cam and a team that finished at the bottom last year- and they pass for 420 yrds?

We never once attacked the D, not one play where you were thinking "that was creative", we never once made their D have think or pause due to their uncertainty (encroachment penalties not included). I was not impressed and this blue collar thing reeks of Nolannonsense and Dingleberry- and that doesn't make a bad fan.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
LOL this is so ridiculous. Cam Newton is in a whole different category talent wise. It's such a stupid comparison. The only thing these guys have in common is the title of #1 overall pick. That's it. They are two diff types of QBs, two diff playing styles, and obviously WAY different talent levels. Cam Newton is easily one of the most gifted athletes to come out in the last 5-10 years. Alex Smith (as a college prospect) was a PRO-JECT! Get it? Smith was you run of the mill project QB that could have been good with proper development. Newton isn't as much of a project because of his natural ability and instincts.

If you're going to compare Newton to Alex, then you may as well compare him to Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and any other QB picked high. Using zone logic he's going to be better than all of them.
Eli manning and Matt Ryan are over rated IMO. As many ints as eli throws in NY, fans would have wanted him out of here a long time ago if he was here. He is way more up and down than alex is, granted his up is better than alex's up so far.
[ Edited by unst4bl3 on Sep 12, 2011 at 12:41 PM ]
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
LOL this is so ridiculous. Cam Newton is in a whole different category talent wise. It's such a stupid comparison. The only thing these guys have in common is the title of #1 overall pick. That's it. They are two diff types of QBs, two diff playing styles, and obviously WAY different talent levels. Cam Newton is easily one of the most gifted athletes to come out in the last 5-10 years. Alex Smith (as a college prospect) was a PRO-JECT! Get it? Smith was you run of the mill project QB that could have been good with proper development. Newton isn't as much of a project because of his natural ability and instincts.

If you're going to compare Newton to Alex, then you may as well compare him to Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and any other QB picked high. Using zone logic he's going to be better than all of them.

We should wait until Newton gets in few more games under his belt before we declare him the next great thing.

All this adulation for Newton reminds me of Sam Bradford last season. He had a couple of good games at the beginning of the season and the entire football world was anointing him the next Johnny Unitas. Then about mid-season, teams figured him out and he finished the season with a QBR of 75...and guess what his QBR was yesterday?




75.

So let's all switch to decaf and see if we can't regain some reality.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
LOL this is so ridiculous. Cam Newton is in a whole different category talent wise. It's such a stupid comparison. The only thing these guys have in common is the title of #1 overall pick. That's it. They are two diff types of QBs, two diff playing styles, and obviously WAY different talent levels. Cam Newton is easily one of the most gifted athletes to come out in the last 5-10 years. Alex Smith (as a college prospect) was a PRO-JECT! Get it? Smith was you run of the mill project QB that could have been good with proper development. Newton isn't as much of a project because of his natural ability and instincts.

If you're going to compare Newton to Alex, then you may as well compare him to Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and any other QB picked high. Using zone logic he's going to be better than all of them.

We should wait until Newton gets in few more games under his belt before we declare him the next great thing.

All this adulation for Newton reminds me of Sam Bradford last season. He had a couple of good games at the beginning of the season and the entire football world was anointing him the next Johnny Unitas. Then about mid-season, teams figured him out and he finished the season with a QBR of 75...and guess what his QBR was yesterday?




75.

So let's all switch to decaf and see if we can't regain some reality.

Newton can suck for 3 more years and that 400 yard game will still be better than anything Alex has done. I'm sorry but that is damn effing impressive being on a team that won 2 games last year, with a defensive minded head coach and it being your first NFL game as a rookie.
It was impressive what Cam Newton did yesterday and it did make wonder how many excuses have been made for Alex Smith.
Originally posted by mrwoodz:
It amazes me how people can hear from so many experts that no OTAs will affect things - yet they complain when we win. I know it was just the Seahawks, and we have MUCH tougher matches ahead.

But coaching is all about development. Build from a solid foundation, then expand from there. Today our defensive foundation was so strong we didn't have to expand much on offense.

Having so many field goals instead of TDs is a little disappointing but they are still points on the board.

But my main point is the coaching - so many times recently we have made NO PROGRESSION through the season. The judgement of the coaching and playing staff comes down to getting better as the season goes on. IF we get to game 8 and we are still calling same offensive plays as today, then that would be cause for complaint.

But no one makes the playoffs in week one. Teams that lost this week will make it. Teams that won this week will not make it.

We have the solid foundation in place. There were different line ups and looks from the offense. There was nothing close to giving up a turnover. There were no sacks allowed - although admittedly too many plays went for a loss. We also now have good looking special teams.

Lets see how weeks 2, 3, 4... go, before judging how things are looking.

But where is the fun for many without jumping to conclusions???


I agree. After Nolan & Singletary, this was the first time since Norv Turner was OC that I felt like there was reason behind the conservative game plan. It felt like the first baby steps towards growth, whereas in the past we felt the conservative game plan was the desired end state from Nolan & Singletary.

Just remember friends - even a good NFL coach is not going to get a team used to "playing scared" on the offense to a "go for the throat" offense overnight. They are not starting out "even" like a lot of teams, but back to square one.
[ Edited by djfullshred on Sep 12, 2011 at 2:45 PM ]
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Dude, we won, and we didn't turn the ball over. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT!!!!! What'd you expect, vintage, Montana led 49ers today? GET REAL!!!

Good grief people get over it. Some of you act like we need to beat every team by 40 points and the QB needs to pass for 400 yds a game or we are FAIL win or lose.

Marino passed for a hell of a lot more yards than Montana or Young. Hmmmmmmm I'll take the the 5 Lombardi's over Dan Marino's accomplishments any day.

And FTR even back before salry caps and free agency, we didn't slaughter every opponent and our QB didn't slay our opponents with 400+ yards of passing. Go look up 94 stats on Young's defeat over the Cowboys in th NFC Chanpionship. I dare you. We sometimes played subpar teams and barely found a way to win. That actually used to happen. I know some of you weren't even born then but it's actually true.
Originally posted by dbdublin:
Jeez, you people would complain if they hung you with a new rope.
seems to be the norm around here.
Originally posted by JoeMontana:
Originally posted by dbdublin:
Jeez, you people would complain if they hung you with a new rope.
seems to be the norm around here.

Welcome to NT...

- 98
Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Dude, we won, and we didn't turn the ball over. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT!!!!! What'd you expect, vintage, Montana led 49ers today? GET REAL!!!


Actually, I think it WAS vintage early 80's Montana led team. Alex did everything that was asked of him along with making plays on his feet. Not his fault the play calling was extremely conservative.

If the playcalling was planned, then I am more afraid that Harbaugh stubbornly allowed a 16 point lead to diminish by his playcalling than I am about Alex Smith.