Nice win, but I'm still not happy about the play calling!

Originally posted by candlestick49er:
I don't understand why people bring up Cam's 400+ yard game when it isn't relevant to our offensive performance. You guys have to realize that every team has their own gameplan. The Panthers went into their game with the intention of passing the ball aggressively while the 49ers went with a more conservative approach.

maybe the reason is because it is cam first game in the nfl and already got 400+ yards and alex smith have been with the 49ers for 6 years and never had those number
i have to agree with kray here that it is embarrassing that alex smith cant even score a passing touchdown. this game goes to the defense and special team, if their performance wasnt of played like they played today,the score could of been 19-17 or 22-17 . lets face it, alex smith played better last year than today. Of course its going to take time to learn a new playbook but he is a grown man, a 6 year veteran, not a rookie, this man should of let them ball$ drop and play a veteran QB not a rookie.

i don't want to hear anymore alexcuses, especially when i am seeing a rookie qb play like a probowler in game one.Everyone should pray this whole week for alex because got the cowboys coming up next and their offense can put points on the board.

Originally posted by 49ERFANb4Uwas:
patience, my friend.


we play some tough defenses this year. you don't want us to reveal all of our tricks early, do you?

What tricks?! Our 3 yards and a cloud of dust trick. I've seen that one Its neither effective nor amusing for the long haul.

Someone needs to ask Harbaugh what 3x3=


okay okay I'll tell you 3x3=PUNT!!!!!


Gore only averaged 2.7 yards per carry. Why would you think that you can just keep running the ball and maintain drives?

Originally posted by candlestick49er:
I don't understand why people bring up Cam's 400+ yard game when it isn't relevant to our offensive performance. You guys have to realize that every team has their own gameplan. The Panthers went into their game with the intention of passing the ball aggressively while the 49ers went with a more conservative approach.

Its relevant because Cam is a rookie QB who torched one of our division opponents with a ****load of yards with less offensive weapons and a rookie head coach.
Yeah you can say they lost the game but how often does your team lose when your QB throws for 400+? answer -> NOT OFTEN
We have a so-called veteran who isn't trusted not to make dumb decisions with the football, a 6-year veteran That is a problem.

Originally posted by gavindirishmen:

Originally posted by candlestick49er:
I don't understand why people bring up Cam's 400+ yard game when it isn't relevant to our offensive performance. You guys have to realize that every team has their own gameplan. The Panthers went into their game with the intention of passing the ball aggressively while the 49ers went with a more conservative approach.

Its relevant because Cam is a rookie QB who torched one of our division opponents with a ****load of yards with less offensive weapons and a rookie head coach.
Yeah you can say they lost the game but how often does your team lose when your QB throws for 400+? answer -> NOT OFTEN
We have a so-called veteran who isn't trusted not to make dumb decisions with the football, a 6-year veteran That is a problem.

this

Dude, we won, and we didn't turn the ball over. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT!!!!! What'd you expect, vintage, Montana led 49ers today? GET REAL!!!

Originally posted by BrianGO:
We have seen what the conservative "play not to lose" approach gets us with Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary. It gets us to perhaps 2-0 at the start of the season, and no playoffs at the end of the season. If you like what Mike Nolan and Singletary did, then that is fine, but we brought Harbaugh in to CHANGE that philosophy, not to continue it.

The main difference is that Nolan & Singletary consistently played not to lose in almost all of our close games. Harbaugh used this approach in one game. It isn't fair to watch 1 game and expect that to happen every time we're in this situation. From what I understand about Harbaugh, he is flexible with game management. I assume he makes on the field decisions based on his opponents. Perhaps he felt we could afford to "play not to lose" against a weak Seattle team. We don't know if that would be the case against an explosive offense. I think we should give Harbaugh more games before declaring his game management philosophy. There's been games where great coaches like Walsh, Belichick, etc have played not to lose...it doesn't mean that was their philosophy. It just shows that they are able to make decisions based on their opponents/game flow, and not just rely on a strict philosophy they always follow.

And no, I don't like the "play not to lose" approach lol.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Teams who play with only defense and special teams, are rarely good. The Ravens and the Bucs used to win that way, but they were rare exceptions.
Why would we want to CONTINUE with the Nolan and Singletary philosophies? Weren't we upset with them? What has changed since then?

I don't think we are continuing with Nolan/Singletary's philosophies. I believe Harbaugh envisions a team that will win games on all 3 phases. As far as changes go, I've seen more personnel packages & audibles applied in 1 game than I've ever seen under Nolan/Singletary. There also appears to be a greater emphasis on gameplanning. Sure it was an extremely conservative gameplan, but it was refreshing to even have a plan.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Our defense and special teams are better, but is this what we wanted with Harbaugh bringing back the "west coast offense"? Wasn't this supposed to be something DIFFERENT?

If the Seattle game was any indication of how our offense will look in the future, then no this isn't what we wanted. However since the team has had a limited amount of time to install the offense, I expect it to improve as the season progresses. Offensively, we weren't explosive in our first game but the creative use of formations/personnel packages gives me reason to believe that we are absolutely different now.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
I'm not saying we will lose the rest of our games or go 1-15, like some have said, I am saying that IF we do not improve our offense in the coming weeks, we will lose. Let's hope they can improve it before then.

I agree with you bro

Originally posted by dorkasaurus_rex:
maybe the reason is because it is cam first game in the nfl and already got 400+ yards and alex smith have been with the 49ers for 6 years and never had those number
i have to agree with kray here that it is embarrassing that alex smith cant even score a passing touchdown. this game goes to the defense and special team, if their performance wasnt of played like they played today,the score could of been 19-17 or 22-17 . lets face it, alex smith played better last year than today. Of course its going to take time to learn a new playbook but he is a grown man, a 6 year veteran, not a rookie, this man should of let them ball$ drop and play a veteran QB not a rookie.

i don't want to hear anymore alexcuses, especially when i am seeing a rookie qb play like a probowler in game one.Everyone should pray this whole week for alex because got the cowboys coming up next and their offense can put points on the board.

Originally posted by gavindirishmen:
Its relevant because Cam is a rookie QB who torched one of our division opponents with a ****load of yards with less offensive weapons and a rookie head coach.
Yeah you can say they lost the game but how often does your team lose when your QB throws for 400+? answer -> NOT OFTEN
We have a so-called veteran who isn't trusted not to make dumb decisions with the football, a 6-year veteran That is a problem.

This is only relevant if you want to debate Cam Newton vs Alex Smith...but this thread is about the 49ers' playcalling against Seattle. My point is that Cam Newton throwing for 400+ yards has nothing to do with our playcalling against the Seahawks. Carolina went into their game with an aggressive approach and the 49ers went into their game with a conservative approach. Obviously, their stats will look different than ours. What they did in their game has NOTHING to do with what we did in ours.

Originally posted by candlestick49er:

Originally posted by dorkasaurus_rex:

maybe the reason is because it is cam first game in the nfl and already got 400+ yards and alex smith have been with the 49ers for 6 years and never had those number
i have to agree with kray here that it is embarrassing that alex smith cant even score a passing touchdown. this game goes to the defense and special team, if their performance wasnt of played like they played today,the score could of been 19-17 or 22-17 . lets face it, alex smith played better last year than today. Of course its going to take time to learn a new playbook but he is a grown man, a 6 year veteran, not a rookie, this man should of let them ball$ drop and play a veteran QB not a rookie.

i don't want to hear anymore alexcuses, especially when i am seeing a rookie qb play like a probowler in game one.Everyone should pray this whole week for alex because got the cowboys coming up next and their offense can put points on the board.

Originally posted by gavindirishmen:

Its relevant because Cam is a rookie QB who torched one of our division opponents with a ****load of yards with less offensive weapons and a rookie head coach.
Yeah you can say they lost the game but how often does your team lose when your QB throws for 400+? answer -> NOT OFTEN
We have a so-called veteran who isn't trusted not to make dumb decisions with the football, a 6-year veteran That is a problem.

This is only relevant if you want to debate Cam Newton vs Alex Smith...but this thread is about the 49ers' playcalling against Seattle. My point is that Cam Newton throwing for 400+ yards has nothing to do with our playcalling against the Seahawks. Carolina went into their game with an aggressive approach and the 49ers went into their game with a conservative approach. Obviously, their stats will look different than ours. What they did in their game has NOTHING to do with what we did in ours.

Dang, I understand Newton had a monster game, but less offensive weapons? What? No way.

Steve Smith, LaFell, Greg Olsen, Shockey, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart?

did Cam Newton play against the Seattle Seahawks today? No? Then why the hell are people comparing the two performances? Different teams play differently against different teams, what the f**k guys, come on.

Harbaugh was clearly trying to keep Alex in check...

First game of the season, at home - where hostile Alex hating has taken place, and our defense playing lights out. I'm positive Harbaugh will open things up as the season progresses

For once, I can give a head coach the benefit of the doubt on this team. I haven't seen a Niners football team that organized and cohesive in a while...and it's only game one!

Originally posted by dorkasaurus_rex:

Originally posted by candlestick49er:
I don't understand why people bring up Cam's 400+ yard game when it isn't relevant to our offensive performance. You guys have to realize that every team has their own gameplan. The Panthers went into their game with the intention of passing the ball aggressively while the 49ers went with a more conservative approach.

maybe the reason is because it is cam first game in the nfl and already got 400+ yards and alex smith have been with the 49ers for 6 years and never had those number
i have to agree with kray here that it is embarrassing that alex smith cant even score a passing touchdown. this game goes to the defense and special team, if their performance wasnt of played like they played today,the score could of been 19-17 or 22-17 . lets face it, alex smith played better last year than today. Of course its going to take time to learn a new playbook but he is a grown man, a 6 year veteran, not a rookie, this man should of let them ball$ drop and play a veteran QB not a rookie.

i don't want to hear anymore alexcuses, especially when i am seeing a rookie qb play like a probowler in game one.Everyone should pray this whole week for alex because got the cowboys coming up next and their offense can put points on the board.

It's one f**king game...

Let's see how easy it is when teams gameplan against him. Realty check is just around the corner

You guys are amazing. We won the game.....

I love how when we lose a game it's always Alex Smith's fault but when we win it is never credited towards him and always credited towards the defense and special teams.

Originally posted by backontop:
I love how when we lose a game it's always Alex Smith's fault but when we win it is never credited towards him and always credited towards the defense and special teams.

We WON and they are still blaming Alex Smith and jumping on him. It's reached such a level of absurdity that they don't even realize it. Just step back and look at this and think about it.....