There are 107 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

"Steve Young never learned how to read defenses"

Originally posted by JustaFan45:
"IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT THEN YOU DON'T LIKE KINGS BASKETBALL!!!"

I only have to listen to that turd when I watch the Lakers play them in Sacto, but he's one of the worst and most annoying homer announcers in the NBA. It funny though...the last few years, he's really toned it down when Kobe has the ball. He'll just go really quiet as if he knows what's about to happen.
Originally posted by JustaFan45:
I agree with the concept but even with a #1 rank defense I still can't picture Alex Smith leading or even managing a team to a Superbowl victory imo.

See Dilfer, Trent
Originally posted by kray28:
I only have to listen to that turd when I watch the Lakers play them in Sacto, but he's one of the worst and most annoying homer announcers in the NBA. It funny though...the last few years, he's really toned it down when Kobe has the ball. He'll just go really quiet as if he knows what's about to happen.
On his radio show if you called in and gave an opinion that was different than his he'd call you an "Idiot". I always wanted to call and tell that guy off!
LOL @ claiming a HALL OF FAME QB couldn't read defenses.

No amount of athleticism will carry you to a career as good as Steve Young's in modern football. Defenses are just too smart, and the only way to have success is to understand what they will be doing. If you can't read them, you will fail. You could have the strongest, most accurate arm in the history of mankind, run a 4.12 40-yard dash and still get shut down by any NFL defense if you don't read their schemes.
Originally posted by Joecool:
To me, reading the defense is specifically to decide which receiver will most likely be open and where to primarily go with the ball. After that, it's the trained rep practice of going through your progressions which has nothing to do with the defense. You see the first few steps of the defensive movement upon snap and tell yourself what will be open. This is why you are trained to stare the Safety down on your drop. By your third step, you should now already have a good idea of who will be open and you step in that direction on your last step. If that isn't open, now is when you robotically go through your progressions down from that receiver to the next seeing which one is open enough to throw to.

The great QB's determine the defensive cover during the drop and already know who they will throw to at the end of their drop. What they go onto do further is move the defense by looking defenders away from the guy they want to throw to.

Once a QB scrambles, that does not happen. QB's are no longer reading the defense. They are looking for their open receivers regardless of what the defense is playing because at this point, the defense has already did its job and is also scrambling to keep broken routes covered.

Not sure if you are at any point trying to say Steve can't or didn't read defenses (which I would scoff at), but I do agree with this much.

Remember something though... the days of pass protection declined from Joe to Steve. At the point where Steve was building up, he was simply forced to make quick decisions with his feet... as the protection at times was quite reminiscent of our more recent OLs. Young knew how to read defenses when given time to. He just wasn't given much time to as what should have been afforded him. I thank Jeebus for his ability to evade, break tackles, and run like hell... because if he couldn't have? Our team would never have held up ring # 5.
Originally posted by kray28:
See Dilfer, Trent
OK one guy who had one of the greatest defenses of all time and I'm sure if Alex was on that team the Ravens would of still won that year. I was stating having a top rank defense who can support a pro bowl type QB and who can get your team over the hump.(example Steve Young).
who gives a s**t about what that retard thinks, who the f**k is grant napier???
Originally posted by JustaFan45:
Originally posted by kray28:
See Dilfer, Trent
OK one guy who had one of the greatest defenses of all time and I'm sure if Alex was on that team the Ravens would of still won that year. I was stating having a top rank defense who can support a pro bowl type QB and who can get your team over the hump.(example Steve Young).

See Johnson, Brad
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
See Johnson, Brad

i might be going out on a limb here, but I would say that Eli Manning is another. without that run game or defense, they would not have gotten as far that year-certainly not a SB title.
I heard Steve Young can't even read.....

Pretty amazing, considering he's a lawyer.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
See Johnson, Brad
So what you guys are saying is put 2-3 more Patrick Willis on defense then we can win a Superbowl with Alex Smith? I'm saying the Niners would have to have a all world defense like the 2000 Ravens and the 2002 Bucs to win a Superbowl with the QBs on this roster. In regards to Steve Young he was good enough to win regardless of how good or bad his defense was. However he could have won more SBs if the defense would of been better than avg. (see 1994).
Originally posted by Joecool:
To me, reading the defense is specifically to decide which receiver will most likely be open and where to primarily go with the ball. After that, it's the trained rep practice of going through your progressions which has nothing to do with the defense. You see the first few steps of the defensive movement upon snap and tell yourself what will be open. This is why you are trained to stare the Safety down on your drop. By your third step, you should now already have a good idea of who will be open and you step in that direction on your last step. If that isn't open, now is when you robotically go through your progressions down from that receiver to the next seeing which one is open enough to throw to.

The great QB's determine the defensive cover during the drop and already know who they will throw to at the end of their drop. What they go onto do further is move the defense by looking defenders away from the guy they want to throw to.

Once a QB scrambles, that does not happen. QB's are no longer reading the defense. They are looking for their open receivers regardless of what the defense is playing because at this point, the defense has already did its job and is also scrambling to keep broken routes covered.

Okay...so the catch 2 never happened...because you know he threw that blind, right?
SOmetimes radio sports talk peeps say crazy things to get reaction.

LOL that someone who regularly shredded defenses doesn't know how to read them. It's like saying someone like Barry Bonds didn't know how to see the pitch.

One of my favorite highlight clips is this one where Young is looking one side of the field, and throws a perfect pass to receiver in the direction he is not looking. Not just reading the defense there, but leading the defense into a misdirection.
I heard him being interviewed on KNBR. I think he is also some sort of political nutjob as well. He seemed like a guy who would do whatever to keep his name out there. It worked here. Lots of readers had no idea of who he is, but do now. Next, Singletary was the best coach ever...
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
To me, reading the defense is specifically to decide which receiver will most likely be open and where to primarily go with the ball. After that, it's the trained rep practice of going through your progressions which has nothing to do with the defense. You see the first few steps of the defensive movement upon snap and tell yourself what will be open. This is why you are trained to stare the Safety down on your drop. By your third step, you should now already have a good idea of who will be open and you step in that direction on your last step. If that isn't open, now is when you robotically go through your progressions down from that receiver to the next seeing which one is open enough to throw to.

The great QB's determine the defensive cover during the drop and already know who they will throw to at the end of their drop. What they go onto do further is move the defense by looking defenders away from the guy they want to throw to.

Once a QB scrambles, that does not happen. QB's are no longer reading the defense. They are looking for their open receivers regardless of what the defense is playing because at this point, the defense has already did its job and is also scrambling to keep broken routes covered.

Okay...so the catch 2 never happened...because you know he threw that blind, right?

What does that play have to do with reading defenses? It was no different than a designed hail mary. He can read defenses but the fact that his performance dropped in the playoffs against better defenses could also mean his "greatness" could be over rated. His stats came during regular season during an era where there were probably 2 or 3 good teams in the NFC and that was it. The West was a joke. The black and Blue division aside from GB was mostly a joke. DAL and possibly WASH were really the only other teams worth something. Even the 3rd team, whoever it was, ended up being one year wonders until GB took over.