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Anybody worried that Alex will rely TOO much on check downs to Gore?

if he checks down and we move the chains whats wrong with that? it eats clock, keeps the ball so the other team cant score and scores if hes using it well enough to move the chains. no problem with it whatsoever
To a great extent, that is how the classic 49ers offense is run. Short passes are preferred. Several short passes that substitute for the run, putting the onus on the receivers to be evasive and get yards after the catch. The short passing game is the lifeblood of the Bill Walsh offense. The short passes set up the run and the longer passes. It is about patience and consistently gaining at least a few yards per down. This also keeps the linebackers from over committing to rush the passer. Some opposing teams in the 80s called it the nickel and dime offense. When done with precision, patience and receivers that can make plays, it has been highly successful as we know.
I foresee the offense centering around the short passing game with Davis, Walker, and Gore so it wouldn't surprise or bother me if short passes go their way a lot over the course of the season.

And as long as the chains are moving it's actually a good thing that our short passing game thrives because it eats off more time on the clock. The more your defense is off the field the better and keeping our defense off the field has been one of our problems over the year.
PatrickWillisHOF
You must be a young buck and really not know much about the WCO. It may suprise the Smith haters that during the 1984 Super bowl run, Montana checked the ball off to his running backs 161 times, with Roger Craig hauling in 71 of them alone. Yet no one complained about Joe being a check off artist. Did it ever occur to you that Smith had no open receivers to throw to? It was not until Jerry Rice came aboard that Montana started going down field more with his passes. Dwight Clark was more of a reliable check down target for the Niners to keep the chains moving. He knew how to take advantage of the zone coverage they faced all of the time. Taking what the defense is giving you is what it is all about. One other thing you should know, is that when Montana rolled right, he always had at least two receivers flloding the zone on that side of the field. Dingleberry's offense would typically have no one open and moving with Smith on rollouts thus resulting in throw aways. Yet Smith would take the heat for the coaching incompetency. That is what Harbaugh was talking about the fans and the team throwing Smith under the bus. It must have taken all of JH's will power to not have laughed and shaken his head when looking at the offensive tapes from the past two years. He realized how low of a bar he was competing against. This is not a defense of Alex, but no NFL QB could have achieved better results in the offensive offense we have had to endure. It was plain ugly and painful to watch the stone age football we had to endure. For the young fans, enjoy the new ride, it will be fun.
Originally posted by SDDAVE:
PatrickWillisHOF
You must be a young buck and really not know much about the WCO. It may suprise the Smith haters that during the 1984 Super bowl run, Montana checked the ball off to his running backs 161 times, with Roger Craig hauling in 71 of them alone. Yet no one complained about Joe being a check off artist. Did it ever occur to you that Smith had no open receivers to throw to? It was not until Jerry Rice came aboard that Montana started going down field more with his passes. Dwight Clark was more of a reliable check down target for the Niners to keep the chains moving. He knew how to take advantage of the zone coverage they faced all of the time. Taking what the defense is giving you is what it is all about. One other thing you should know, is that when Montana rolled right, he always had at least two receivers flloding the zone on that side of the field. Dingleberry's offense would typically have no one open and moving with Smith on rollouts thus resulting in throw aways. Yet Smith would take the heat for the coaching incompetency. That is what Harbaugh was talking about the fans and the team throwing Smith under the bus. It must have taken all of JH's will power to not have laughed and shaken his head when looking at the offensive tapes from the past two years. He realized how low of a bar he was competing against. This is not a defense of Alex, but no NFL QB could have achieved better results in the offensive offense we have had to endure. It was plain ugly and painful to watch the stone age football we had to endure. For the young fans, enjoy the new ride, it will be fun.

WELL PUT!!
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I like cookies...and big, bounce bewbies.

huh, u lost me.... Must be a TN thing.
lol, just haven't had my coffee yet, but I think guys everywhere like boobies. Just shaking my head at all the Smith threads, thought I would post a random thought, would've posted some boobies, but am on my phone.

Ah, no doubt brotha. U know i had to get u back from gettin me a few days ago, when i was tired as hell, outta the country, and up at like 3am, and u got me when i posted while watching the movie LIFE.

But hell yeah we all like boobies. When you said that i thought of the movie, Role Models when stiffler and that little kid was talkin about boobies and he was like, *and i like boobies".

But back to what we were talking bout, i have to agree, i thought that the every other Smith thread was over, but i guess, we still cant move on from that. it's like will he complete a pass thread, will he make an int thread, do you like his wife thread, what kind of cereal do u think he likes thread. They are getting a little ridiculous now.

Guess somethings people can never let go of.

how bout I eat ur cornbread
Yes. Smith checks down because he is indecisive when throwing downfield. The checkdown is his safety valvue. Now it's justified because the WCO promotes short yard passing situations by design, so when Smith does absoultely nothing but check the ball down because he can't throw downfield, Alexcuse #342 will be "well he's supposed to check the ball down!"

What happens when the D adjusts? Oh, yeah, we forgot about that...
Nope.
Originally posted by SDDAVE:
PatrickWillisHOF
You must be a young buck and really not know much about the WCO. It may suprise the Smith haters that during the 1984 Super bowl run, Montana checked the ball off to his running backs 161 times, with Roger Craig hauling in 71 of them alone. Yet no one complained about Joe being a check off artist. Did it ever occur to you that Smith had no open receivers to throw to? It was not until Jerry Rice came aboard that Montana started going down field more with his passes. Dwight Clark was more of a reliable check down target for the Niners to keep the chains moving. He knew how to take advantage of the zone coverage they faced all of the time. Taking what the defense is giving you is what it is all about. One other thing you should know, is that when Montana rolled right, he always had at least two receivers flloding the zone on that side of the field. Dingleberry's offense would typically have no one open and moving with Smith on rollouts thus resulting in throw aways. Yet Smith would take the heat for the coaching incompetency. That is what Harbaugh was talking about the fans and the team throwing Smith under the bus. It must have taken all of JH's will power to not have laughed and shaken his head when looking at the offensive tapes from the past two years. He realized how low of a bar he was competing against. This is not a defense of Alex, but no NFL QB could have achieved better results in the offensive offense we have had to endure. It was plain ugly and painful to watch the stone age football we had to endure. For the young fans, enjoy the new ride, it will be fun.
Recalling history is not just useful, it should be mandatory.

The Nolan/Sing/Raye offense was a QB killer, as well as an overall offense killer. That is why they are all gone. I am very encouraged to hear about what Harbaugh is doing because it DOES remind me of the Walsh days when the 49ers were able to impose their offensive will on just about any team on any given day.

Thank you for recalling how, and how well that offense worked.
From what I've read, check downs to Gore are good for 2 reasons in Harbaughs offense.

#1. Alex is going through reads quickly and the check down is the 3-4 option. If that's the only thing that is open I would prefer that then forcing the ball in somewhere.

#2. Harbaugh's offense is set on pre snap motion, so the check downs are actually a designed part of the play with an opening, instead of just a way to get rid of the ball.

/end thread.
why am i posting in another alex smith thread when I could be googling asian @ss porn?
worried? no. 100% sure this will happen? Yes.
No , all I am worried about is like every year that Alex looks good in shorts then puts on pads and he looks like well Alex of the last six years !
Originally posted by FreddyG:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I like cookies...and big, bounce bewbies.

huh, u lost me.... Must be a TN thing.
lol, just haven't had my coffee yet, but I think guys everywhere like boobies. Just shaking my head at all the Smith threads, thought I would post a random thought, would've posted some boobies, but am on my phone.

Ah, no doubt brotha. U know i had to get u back from gettin me a few days ago, when i was tired as hell, outta the country, and up at like 3am, and u got me when i posted while watching the movie LIFE.

But hell yeah we all like boobies. When you said that i thought of the movie, Role Models when stiffler and that little kid was talkin about boobies and he was like, *and i like boobies".

But back to what we were talking bout, i have to agree, i thought that the every other Smith thread was over, but i guess, we still cant move on from that. it's like will he complete a pass thread, will he make an int thread, do you like his wife thread, what kind of cereal do u think he likes thread. They are getting a little ridiculous now.

Guess somethings people can never let go of.

how bout I eat ur cornbread

Mofo u cant have my cornbread, im from NY City, anybody that wanna try and take my cornbread, gon have me start part 2 of my killen spree. LOL.

still one of the funniest parts of the movie.
How many short, high and hard passes go out of the receivers hands and goes for a pick 6 this year?? 4-5??