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49ers 30 million under cap

Right now our front office looks like they are stuck in the mud. Those teams except Chiefs, TB, and chicago are all losers and bottom feeders of the league. You just can't win with poor ownership. And right now we have some of the worst owners in the all of sports til they show otherwise.
Something smells really fishy here.

We went from having the talent to do damage in the playoffs last offseason to not having enough talent to even try to put a competent team together? We lost 5 starters and now you're telling me they lacked talent? But Sing got fired for not being able to win with such a talented team. Jed went from guaranteeing playoffs to "why bother?" in a matter of months.

I dint believe anything that comes from his mouth. We will be a better franchise once the Yorks sell the team.
Originally posted by mcbaes72:
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
This better not be a Dennis Erickson type of season, at least during that season we knew we didnt have the cap space to bring in any help ...but choosing to lose with a gang of cash at the teams disposal will not win over any fans

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harbaugh will be a better HC than Erickson ever was. Same as Baalke will be better than Donahue...but that's not saying much because 99% of the WZ members could've been better GMs than him (i.e. see Wilfork and R. Woods).

As for the $$$$ issue, I'd have to agree with you there.


Thank you , I am getting frustrated with the lack of production from our F.O, we should at least be shelling out some 1 year contracts to veterans to strengthen the D-Line and secondary if the big plan is to build through the draft, we cant be relying on unproven players for depth and hoping they pan out for us...we need solid players to compete, but it appears the F.O believes we will get better by subtraction
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Amir:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Amir:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Be patient. They have a "plan"...to not spend any money.

Lawson was only $3 million. Crazy they didn't offer that much to have him stay.

Dude, you even said yourself that Manny is not suited for a 3-4. So why do you now all of a sudden want him to stay?

I never said that. I said he is best utilized in a 4-3 defense. He is still better than Haralson, Brooks, Applewhite, and Briggs. He just isn't a star in the 3-4.

However, at $3 million, he is a bargain.

The Niners obviously made it clear that he wasn't in their plans. So, was he supposed to crawl back to the great one, Trent Baalke, and beg for a contract, as some would say?

Well we don't know if we did offer him that much money. Maybe he just wanted out. Can't blame Baalke yet without knowing all the facts.

Yes, you can. You make people want to stay.

Maddog, you are right on! It's amazing how people "NEED" rah rah as opposed to the truth! I am tired of this losing trend and I am tired of excuses and the supposed master plan! I am also tired of apologist - the kinds of people who take critical thinking as some sort of insult... I know I spit venom from time to time but it's out of love for what this team was. Thanks for always putting up good info...

Dirty
Meh, i aint even worried, the lockout pretty much screwed us and i dont expect the team to just throw money all over the place just because. We made a run at Nnamdi and Ochocinco and it didnt work out Oh well.

The only player im mad about losing was Clements

I still support Jed and Trent
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Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
Originally posted by mcbaes72:
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
This better not be a Dennis Erickson type of season, at least during that season we knew we didnt have the cap space to bring in any help ...but choosing to lose with a gang of cash at the teams disposal will not win over any fans

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harbaugh will be a better HC than Erickson ever was. Same as Baalke will be better than Donahue...but that's not saying much because 99% of the WZ members could've been better GMs than him (i.e. see Wilfork and R. Woods).

As for the $$$$ issue, I'd have to agree with you there.


Thank you , I am getting frustrated with the lack of production from our F.O, we should at least be shelling out some 1 year contracts to veterans to strengthen the D-Line and secondary if the big plan is to build through the draft, we cant be relying on unproven players for depth and hoping they pan out for us...we need solid players to compete, but it appears the F.O believes we will get better by subtraction

So we should just throw money at anyone because you don't want them to appear cheap? Or should we try and find the right players?

Most vets don't want 1 year contracts, they want stability just like everyone else. And there appears to be indications that Franklin will sign with us, so with him and Ray Mac resigning our D-Line seems to be set.
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Meh, i aint even worried, the lockout pretty much screwed us and i dont expect the team to just throw money all over the place just because. We made a run at Nnamdi and Ochocinco and it didnt work out Oh well.

The only player im mad about losing was Clements

I still support Jed and Trent



Especially at the bold. New coaches, new scheme will result in a tough season no matter who we signed.
So how much more do we have to spend to get to the minimum.
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Meh, i aint even worried, the lockout pretty much screwed us and i dont expect the team to just throw money all over the place just because. We made a run at Nnamdi and Ochocinco and it didnt work out Oh well.

The only player im mad about losing was Clements

I still support Jed and Trent

pretty much this. although, i'm not pissed Nate went elsewhere. i only wanted to keep him if he would have moved to Safety and played a role similar to Brian Dawkins.
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Originally posted by susweel:
So how much more do we have to spend to get to the minimum.

some reports would say nothing.
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They should spend that money on Edwards and Floyd and make us a high powered offense with two big targets along with Vernon Davis, Gore, Crabtree, and Walker. Then turn around the defense by signing Rogers, and trading for Samules and Usi (we would have to go to a 4-3).
Originally posted by susweel:
So how much more do we have to spend to get to the minimum.

minimum doesnt go into effect until 2013
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Meh, i aint even worried, the lockout pretty much screwed us and i dont expect the team to just throw money all over the place just because. We made a run at Nnamdi and Ochocinco and it didnt work out Oh well.

The only player im mad about losing was Clements

I still support Jed and Trent

This.

With a new management and coaching, I'm willing to be patient. Sing had his chance and failed. Now we must give Harbaugh and Baalke that chance without the hysterics of every possible move that could've been made. This is an organization that has some nice parts, but is going to have to be built up to fit our new vision. This is a year of little expectations, which is nice for a change, because despite all the knee-jerk fans out there, we may actually find a nice foundation to grow into the future. Just chill the f**k out and stop giving people reason to call us whiners.
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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Meh, i aint even worried, the lockout pretty much screwed us and i dont expect the team to just throw money all over the place just because. We made a run at Nnamdi and Ochocinco and it didnt work out Oh well.

The only player im mad about losing was Clements

I still support Jed and Trent

pretty much this. although, i'm not pissed Nate went elsewhere. i only wanted to keep him if he would have moved to Safety and played a role similar to Brian Dawkins.

Nate wasn't worth the cap number, and he especially wasn't worth what we would have paid cash this year for him. Once they couldn't agree on a restructure, and he was cut, there was no way he was resigning. He would take less to play elsewhere because of the insult from management, cutting him.

It would have taken overpaying him to stay, and what's the point of trying to restructure if we're just going to overpay him again.
Originally posted by Otter:
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
Originally posted by mcbaes72:
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
This better not be a Dennis Erickson type of season, at least during that season we knew we didnt have the cap space to bring in any help ...but choosing to lose with a gang of cash at the teams disposal will not win over any fans

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harbaugh will be a better HC than Erickson ever was. Same as Baalke will be better than Donahue...but that's not saying much because 99% of the WZ members could've been better GMs than him (i.e. see Wilfork and R. Woods).

As for the $$$$ issue, I'd have to agree with you there.


Thank you , I am getting frustrated with the lack of production from our F.O, we should at least be shelling out some 1 year contracts to veterans to strengthen the D-Line and secondary if the big plan is to build through the draft, we cant be relying on unproven players for depth and hoping they pan out for us...we need solid players to compete, but it appears the F.O believes we will get better by subtraction

So we should just throw money at anyone because you don't want them to appear cheap? Or should we try and find the right players?

Most vets don't want 1 year contracts, they want stability just like everyone else. And there appears to be indications that Franklin will sign with us, so with him and Ray Mac resigning our D-Line seems to be set.

We still do not have a pass rush, our best CB is gone, our QB situation is as bad as it has been if not worse, we lack for any verteran presence and our OL is weak and in flux. I would never advocate "just throwing money around" but hoarding money while continuity just walks out of the door doesn't seem right either...

Dirty