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Are we seeing a horribly managed free agency? Or something bigger?

no cb, no rb, no wr, no qb,
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
They are simply not going to overpay for players. I don't see what is so confusing about this.

Its like watching the first part of a marathon and seeing some amateur runner sprint out way far into the lead just so he can be on TV. The webzone would of course cheer him on, saying things like, "Now THATS a winner!", "HE has a commitment to excellence!", "He really CARES about winning!".

Of course, 30 min later, when the Kenyans have their legs warmed up, the tired idiot who sprinted into the lead for short term glory gets passes up by dozens of runners.

UNLESS you feel you have a shot at the Super Bowl, sprinting to the lead while sacrificing the rest of the marathon is simply idiotic. The point is to win the race, not to show off for 30 min and then get passed up by the crowd.

A losing team has to build through the draft, and look for bargains in free agency. When that team makes it to the playoffs, all of a sudden, free agents start to look and think, "Wow, they have really improved." And they are more likely to want to sign with a team on the rise. Then you can overspend, and try to win a championship.

I dont disagree with what you're saying, but I would like to add a couple of things. First, because we haven't produced a winnig record in eight years we will have to over pay for any "percieved" quality FA. The only way we can go cheap or find a deal is if we grab a guy trying to resurrect his career, ala Walt Harris/Mike Lewis. Second, even if you dont think we should "over pay," at some point you have to upgrade and spend some money. I woke up this morning thinking about the fact we will be fielding Haralson and Brooks, Spencer and T.Brown, Smith and Spillman. Honestly, we can't go into the season like that. At some point you got to shell out some money, because the fans (us) deserve it. It would be one thing if we just came off a playoff birth, but we haven't had enough success for the FO to be like, "screw it, we are rebuilding. We dont care about the 2012 record."

While we might be waiting for 'deals and steals', the one player we should not be waiting on is a Center. That person needs to be in camp when Alex gets in so they can get on the same page. I don't see any urgency around this and Adam Snyder is not going to do the trick. Personally, I don't see this as a plan, it is just plain stupid.

You do realize that any free agent we sign, can't practice till Thursday which is obviously when Alex can start practicing. Still plenty of time.
Every time I hear that we are one of the teams interested in a major free agent or trade possibility, I get the feeling its just a hoax created by 49er management/ownership to make it look like to the fans that they are trying, when the whole time they never had any intentions of getting that said player.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

What Nate Clements debacle are you referring to? Multiple reports indicated that he was cut.

-9fA
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

Yep. This team is a joke and always will be as long as the Yorks own it.
Haters gonna Hate

Go Niners
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'd be a lot more enthusiastic about this offseason if we hadn't pursued Nnamdi & others. I'm fine with "blowing it up", but our pursuit of him and some of the other bigger FA's make me question whether or not we're actually trying to do that.

It's also disappointing to feel like we're going through this process yet again. I'd call it "rebuilding", but that implies that something was built there in the first place. But I do understand it if that's in fact what we're doing.

How much of the pursuit of Nnamdi was media generated? My understanding is that he, Nnamdi, appeared to reach out to the Niners, expressing an interest in staying in the Bay area. They'd have been foolish to ignore him, but when it became apparent that they were just being used as a tool to drive up the market, they walked away.

As for going "through this process once again" its inevitable, isn't it? Teams change every year. Teams with new coaches change even more. The changes are compressed in time this year due to the lockout, so we have less time to reflect on them as fans.

Change can be good or bad, and at least initially, any change can be disruptive. From what little we've seen of Harbaugh so far, the HC change looks like it will be a good one, as we all anticipated.

Let's let the dust settle on the new CBA and see what the new season brings. I'm not calling it "rebuilding," I'm calling it "progress."

It's not so much change that upsets me, it's my perception that we've taken an immediate step back (loss of Spikes, Baas, presumed losses of Franklin, Lawson) for the purpose of long term gain. Rebuilding's a lot easier to swallow when it's preceded by some success. For examples, I'm a Laker fan, and in a couple of years they're going to have to take their lumps and suck for a little while as they try to construct the next championship level core. It's a lot harder to feel like the Niners are "rebuilding" AGAIN. Although I do understand it.

I am optimistic about Harbaugh. Hopefully this is the last time we go through this without yielding any results. I'm very skeptical about Baalke though.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'd be a lot more enthusiastic about this offseason if we hadn't pursued Nnamdi & others. I'm fine with "blowing it up", but our pursuit of him and some of the other bigger FA's make me question whether or not we're actually trying to do that.

It's also disappointing to feel like we're going through this process yet again. I'd call it "rebuilding", but that implies that something was built there in the first place. But I do understand it if that's in fact what we're doing.

Going after all good FAs should be a pattern...but stopping when teams get rediculous in the bidding is part of a good pattern. They will likely get their FAs at their price.

As far as rebuilding goes, when you bring in a new GM/HC and systems (both O and D) it is rebuilding. What went on in the Singletary years was tinkering with what Nolan had put in place. Both the D and the O regressed last year and if they hadn't stopped and changed directions can you imagine how bad it would have become?

I definitely hope the Nnamdi interest was more media generated than anything else. Certainly a possibility.

I'm hopeful, but not optimistic, and not willing to give anyone but Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt. I think everyone but him has earned a healthy dose of skepticism.
baalke said we werent going to be big players in fa guess hes true to his word
Originally posted by NinerNation:
baalke said we werent going to be big players in fa guess hes true to his word

i woulda appreciated him saying besides a kicker we wont be active
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'd be a lot more enthusiastic about this offseason if we hadn't pursued Nnamdi & others. I'm fine with "blowing it up", but our pursuit of him and some of the other bigger FA's make me question whether or not we're actually trying to do that.

It's also disappointing to feel like we're going through this process yet again. I'd call it "rebuilding", but that implies that something was built there in the first place. But I do understand it if that's in fact what we're doing.

Going after all good FAs should be a pattern...but stopping when teams get rediculous in the bidding is part of a good pattern. They will likely get their FAs at their price.

As far as rebuilding goes, when you bring in a new GM/HC and systems (both O and D) it is rebuilding. What went on in the Singletary years was tinkering with what Nolan had put in place. Both the D and the O regressed last year and if they hadn't stopped and changed directions can you imagine how bad it would have become?

I definitely hope the Nnamdi interest was more media generated than anything else. Certainly a possibility.

I'm hopeful, but not optimistic, and not willing to give anyone but Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt. I think everyone but him has earned a healthy dose of skepticism.

It should be Harbaugh and his coaches, opposed to Baalke and the Yorks. Jed hasn't waited too long to make changes, just as his uncle did when Joe Thomas took the team into a sink hole when he was GM. Hopefully, Jed has learned his lesson and made a similar move that will work.

Baalke worries me because he lacks an experienced mentor. Perhaps JH makes up for that with his years in the league and his brother having success in Balt being his mentor?
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

Yep. This team is a joke and always will be as long as the Yorks own it.

Do you ever have anything useful to say? It doesn't have to be positive, just useful. All your post are negative, one sentence, personal attatcks.

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jul 30, 2011 at 11:09:27 ]
Niners are slowly killing me inside...
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

Yep. This team is a joke and always will be as long as the Yorks own it.

Do you ever have anything useful to say? It doesn't have to be positive, just useful. All your post are negative, one sentence, personal attatcks.

I'm just trying to drive home a point that people don't seem to get. They know that this team is owned by the Yorks, yet still expect success.
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

Yep. This team is a joke and always will be as long as the Yorks own it.

Do you ever have anything useful to say? It doesn't have to be positive, just useful. All your post are negative, one sentence, personal attatcks.

I'm just trying to drive home a point that people don't seem to get. They know that this team is owned by the Yorks, yet still expect success.

Fair enough, but tell me, if you owned the team right now, what would you do diffrently (if Jed).

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jul 30, 2011 at 11:23:36 ]