Originally posted by andes14:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by andes14:
Again, throw ANY non-QB out there, and there is a damn good argument why Willis should be higher.
He has played twice as many seasons yet Willis has been selected a first team all pro the same amount of times. And the one season Willis wasn't a first team all pro, he was a 2nd. There have been FOUR years where Polamalu wasn't even a 2nd team all pro. He has also failed to make the pro-bowl twice (Willis has made it each year) and just for s**ts and giggles failed to win rookie of the year (Willis did). About the only thing Polamalu has on Willis is a DPOY award, and Willis would likely have at least 1 or 2 if he played on a team as good as the Steelers. When the niners improve and start making the playoffs, Willis will get DPOY recognition as well. Book it. Not to mention, as great as Polamalu is, he's got an OUTSTANDING defense around him that helps make his job easier which should also be taken into account.
Like I said there may be no other player ever (but especially active) that started 4 pro bowls and was selected a first team all pro 3 times (and 2nd team once) in his first 4 seasons.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like probowls are your number one criteria to determine greatness?
1.You make it sound like Polamalu is great because of the Steelers, when in reality it's more the other way around. According to NFL Network, the Steelers average a .500 record when Troy is out of the line up.
2. Troy makes big time plays vs big time competion in big time games. Please show me two highlights of Willis making a big time play against a team not named the Rams or Cards. Where are the big time, end of the game plays that we need from Willis when it's all on the line? The last couple of years the defense has not been able to stop opposing teams when it counts the most. I'm not gonna put that on Pats shoulders, but if your not making plays, your not making plays. The reason doesn't really matter.
3. Which brings me to my third point. DPOY is DPOY. Of course you dont get it if your team doesn't make the playoffs. IMO, DPOY is for the player that means so much to his team that they wouldnt hit the playoffs/superbowl with out him. IMO, if the Steelers dont have Troy they dont win a Superbowl. If the Niner dont have Willis, we are 4-12 instead of 6 -10. Whooopeddydo.
I know it sounds like I'm hating on Willis, but I'm not. I'm just being honest. If he starts leading a top D, year in and year out and making big time plays when it matters, then I'll reconsider my position. All stats are not created equal. A stop for a loss in the first quarter is not as big as a stop for a loss for the win.
My postition in a nutshell: Willis is as physically talented as they come, but he still doesn't have the game changing moments you want to see to be called great. Whether its because of play calling, supporting cast, or his postion, I'm not sure, but I just think the Zone has marked him as a HOF when he doesn't have HOF moments, yet.
[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jun 28, 2011 at 13:59:06 ]