Team Workouts Thread

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by susweel:
Where are these dudes working out at ?? Some of us should go there and ask if we can work out with them.

somebody should just show up dressed up like crabtree and start running routes

That would be a little awkward don't you think???

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

I wonder what Troy's numbers were like for all the receivers. Can you get those stats?

Wow, you guys really killed this thread.

Is Crabtree the new Alex??

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by susweel:
Where are these dudes working out at ?? Some of us should go there and ask if we can work out with them.

somebody should just show up dressed up like crabtree and start running routes

That would be a little awkward don't you think???

Taylor Mays?

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

I wonder what Troy's numbers were like for all the receivers. Can you get those stats?

troy smith to davis 14 for 25 which is 56%

troy smith to walker 15 for 22 which is 68%

troy smith to morgan 9 for 23 which is 39% (yikes)

troy smith to zeigler 1 for 4 which is 25%

troy smith to crabtree 17 for 34 which is 50%

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Is this new to you. Actually, that was one of the knocks on Crabtree when he came out. The gimmicky spread offense that he came out of didnt require this of him. I've heard numerous people mention, that he was able to break off his route to open spots on the field. He kinda of was free on the field to a certain degree. Hes only played a year and a half and you guys are ready to give up on him. Wait till there is actual practices, so that Harbaugh or wr coach can help him with this aspect of his game better. Harbaugh is not there at these functions and i dont expect Alex to be able to help him much, considering hes new to this playbook.....and we all now how hard its for Alex to grasp new playbooks....right?

This is all funny to me, that when Alex came out of his gimmicky college offense, we all gave him time to transition, including me. Some are giving him seven years to see what he can become, but Crabtree no, he only has one and a half seasons before his labeled a bust.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

I wonder what Troy's numbers were like for all the receivers. Can you get those stats?

troy smith to davis 14 for 25 which is 56%

troy smith to walker 15 for 22 which is 68%

troy smith to morgan 9 for 23 which is 39% (yikes)

troy smith to zeigler 1 for 4 which is 25%

troy smith to crabtree 17 for 34 which is 50%

Where do you get these numbers from? I'd like to see how this comes to other teams.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

I wonder what Troy's numbers were like for all the receivers. Can you get those stats?

troy smith to davis 14 for 25 which is 56%

troy smith to walker 15 for 22 which is 68%

troy smith to morgan 9 for 23 which is 39% (yikes)

troy smith to zeigler 1 for 4 which is 25%

troy smith to crabtree 17 for 34 which is 50%

...but that's not as good as Alex! Unfair to compare pass completions between two QBs with the same receivers unless they are throwing the same routes at the same time, in the same situations on the same day! Oh wait...alexcuses!!

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

I wonder what Troy's numbers were like for all the receivers. Can you get those stats?

troy smith to davis 14 for 25 which is 56%

troy smith to walker 15 for 22 which is 68%

troy smith to morgan 9 for 23 which is 39% (yikes)

troy smith to zeigler 1 for 4 which is 25%

troy smith to crabtree 17 for 34 which is 50%

Where do you get these numbers from? I'd like to see how this comes to other teams.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/03/inside-the-49ers/alex-vernon-124-0/

sorry doesnt have other teams written by a niner beat writter

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Is this new to you. Actually, that was one of the knocks on Crabtree when he came out. The gimmicky spread offense that he came out of didnt require this of him. I've heard numerous people mention, that he was able to break off his route to open spots on the field. He kinda of was free on the field to a certain degree. Hes only played a year and a half and you guys are ready to give up on him. Wait till there is actual practices, so that Harbaugh or wr coach can help him with this aspect of his game better. Harbaugh is not there at these functions and i dont expect Alex to be able to help him much, considering hes new to this playbook.....and we all now how hard its for Alex to grasp new playbooks....right?

This is all funny to me, that when Alex came out of his gimmicky college offense, we all gave him time to transition, including me. Some are giving him seven years to see what he can become, but Crabtree no, he only has one and a half seasons before his labeled a bust.

ok before you were talking about how inaccurate alex is and how its alexs fault that the passes to crabtree are behind him bounce of his hands etc..

my point was that it was probally due to bad route running because all of the other WRs he throw to are over 65% completiton precentage

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Is this new to you. Actually, that was one of the knocks on Crabtree when he came out. The gimmicky spread offense that he came out of didnt require this of him. I've heard numerous people mention, that he was able to break off his route to open spots on the field. He kinda of was free on the field to a certain degree. Hes only played a year and a half and you guys are ready to give up on him. Wait till there is actual practices, so that Harbaugh or wr coach can help him with this aspect of his game better. Harbaugh is not there at these functions and i dont expect Alex to be able to help him much, considering hes new to this playbook.....and we all now how hard its for Alex to grasp new playbooks....right?

This is all funny to me, that when Alex came out of his gimmicky college offense, we all gave him time to transition, including me. Some are giving him seven years to see what he can become, but Crabtree no, he only has one and a half seasons before his labeled a bust.

ok before you were talking about how inaccurate alex is and how its alexs fault that the passes to crabtree are behind him bounce of his hands etc..

my point was that it was probally due to bad route running because all of the other WRs he throw to are over 65% completiton precentage

LOL @ this.

Have you ever thought that Crabtree gets covered by the other team's top corner? Lets put Ziegler or Morgan as the number 1 and see how good their numbers look.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Is this new to you. Actually, that was one of the knocks on Crabtree when he came out. The gimmicky spread offense that he came out of didnt require this of him. I've heard numerous people mention, that he was able to break off his route to open spots on the field. He kinda of was free on the field to a certain degree. Hes only played a year and a half and you guys are ready to give up on him. Wait till there is actual practices, so that Harbaugh or wr coach can help him with this aspect of his game better. Harbaugh is not there at these functions and i dont expect Alex to be able to help him much, considering hes new to this playbook.....and we all now how hard its for Alex to grasp new playbooks....right?

This is all funny to me, that when Alex came out of his gimmicky college offense, we all gave him time to transition, including me. Some are giving him seven years to see what he can become, but Crabtree no, he only has one and a half seasons before his labeled a bust.

ok before you were talking about how inaccurate alex is and how its alexs fault that the passes to crabtree are behind him bounce of his hands etc..

my point was that it was probally due to bad route running because all of the other WRs he throw to are over 65% completiton precentage

It could be to bad route running or maybe THE FACT THAT ALEX IS NOT ACCURATE. I will rather go with the bigger sample size, Alex six years, instead of Crabtrees year and a half. I will rather see more of what crabtree has offer to make a judgment on his abilities. I've already seen enough of alex to make my own informed opinion.

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Is this new to you. Actually, that was one of the knocks on Crabtree when he came out. The gimmicky spread offense that he came out of didnt require this of him. I've heard numerous people mention, that he was able to break off his route to open spots on the field. He kinda of was free on the field to a certain degree. Hes only played a year and a half and you guys are ready to give up on him. Wait till there is actual practices, so that Harbaugh or wr coach can help him with this aspect of his game better. Harbaugh is not there at these functions and i dont expect Alex to be able to help him much, considering hes new to this playbook.....and we all now how hard its for Alex to grasp new playbooks....right?

This is all funny to me, that when Alex came out of his gimmicky college offense, we all gave him time to transition, including me. Some are giving him seven years to see what he can become, but Crabtree no, he only has one and a half seasons before his labeled a bust.

ok before you were talking about how inaccurate alex is and how its alexs fault that the passes to crabtree are behind him bounce of his hands etc..

my point was that it was probally due to bad route running because all of the other WRs he throw to are over 65% completiton precentage

LOL @ this.

Have you ever thought that Crabtree gets covered by the other team's top corner? Lets put Ziegler or Morgan as the number 1 and see how good their numbers look.

where did i say morgan should be our #1 WR or where did i say that morgan was better than crabtree and should be the #1 spot all i am saying is that crabtree has not put in any time or effort in to practice and get the route running right or get the timing right

you cant read a playbook to get that done right you have to go on the field and practice


look at the link i gave you before

first 3 games
alex to crabtree 6.6 rating

rest of season 95.4 rating

what does this prove?

after 3 games of getting chemistry with alex he was a decent #1 option

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Is this new to you. Actually, that was one of the knocks on Crabtree when he came out. The gimmicky spread offense that he came out of didnt require this of him. I've heard numerous people mention, that he was able to break off his route to open spots on the field. He kinda of was free on the field to a certain degree. Hes only played a year and a half and you guys are ready to give up on him. Wait till there is actual practices, so that Harbaugh or wr coach can help him with this aspect of his game better. Harbaugh is not there at these functions and i dont expect Alex to be able to help him much, considering hes new to this playbook.....and we all now how hard its for Alex to grasp new playbooks....right?

This is all funny to me, that when Alex came out of his gimmicky college offense, we all gave him time to transition, including me. Some are giving him seven years to see what he can become, but Crabtree no, he only has one and a half seasons before his labeled a bust.

ok before you were talking about how inaccurate alex is and how its alexs fault that the passes to crabtree are behind him bounce of his hands etc..

my point was that it was probally due to bad route running because all of the other WRs he throw to are over 65% completiton precentage

It could be to bad route running or maybe THE FACT THAT ALEX IS NOT ACCURATE. I will rather go with the bigger sample size, Alex six years, instead of Crabtrees year and a half. I will rather see more of what crabtree has offer to make a judgment on his abilities. I've already seen enough of alex to make my own informed opinion.

dude look at the above post i proved that alex was pretty accurate with all the other WR and TE he had a comp % of 66 or better crabtree was the only one less than 60%