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Who else were you happy to see BECOME a 49er, but now wish they never were...?

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by English:

Nuts? What, you dont believe my story or you dont believe people change?

And where does Ricky Watters fit into your theory?

Ah nuts, I'm sorry about the confusion regarding my use of the term "nuts."

I certainly did not mean to imply that you were nuts, nor did I mean to doubt the veracity of your anecdote.

Your anecdote jived with newspaper reports that described Owens as a very decent kid. That's why I said "nuts." As I mentioned in my second post, it would be so much easier to toss TO in the dumpster, along with Haley, if he didn't start out as such a good kid. You described the Terrell Owens that I found so promising, not the TO that I was happy to see leave the team.

As for Waters, I never had a use for the man and you're right to bring him up as another crack in the wall. But I'm willing to give him his bona fides: he was outstanding in the flat, very difficult to tackle, and the poor SOB had to run sweep left a lot more than was good for him.

Beyond that, though, I don't have much use for Ricky Waters.

Ah, that nuts! Fine!
Originally posted by jaycokes:
Brandon Lloyd. He's killing it in Denver but when we had him he was a football dodging machine. Yeah he had some creat catches and maybe he didn't fit our system, but it sucks seeing him rack up all those yards now.

Chicago didn't get much out of him either and they were pretty desperate for WR's, they moved Hester to WR WHILE Floyd was there... doesn't inspire much confidence in him.

He is a product of the system. He is ineffective in formations where he is one of only two receivers on the field. In multiple WR formations, his route running and hands were able to be utilized. But watch... if under John Fox Denver becomes more of a ball control offense, his production will plummet and he will probably be the #3 wr behind Royal and Decker.
Originally posted by newjersey24:
Mike Nolan ( I was amped up thinking the type of B-more Defense but with a better Offense with Alex Smith.

Clements
Barry Sims


What is with the DC of the Ravens? No matter who they plug-in there, the defense is still tops.

Marvin Lewis, Nolan, Romeo Crennel and Rex Ryan all got HC positions from being the Ravens DC.
Originally posted by OldJoe:
Originally posted by newjersey24:
Mike Nolan ( I was amped up thinking the type of B-more Defense but with a better Offense with Alex Smith.

Clements
Barry Sims


What is with the DC of the Ravens? No matter who they plug-in there, the defense is still tops.

Marvin Lewis, Nolan, Romeo Crennel and Rex Ryan all got HC positions from being the Ravens DC.

Why Sims?
It's usually the stiffs in the secondary because you can watch them get burnt like toast. Guys like Nate Clements, Rod Woodson, Antonio Langham and Tim McKyer.

But I wish Deion Sanders had never been a 49er. Never liked the guy. Once a punk, always a punk.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by OldJoe:
Originally posted by newjersey24:
Mike Nolan ( I was amped up thinking the type of B-more Defense but with a better Offense with Alex Smith.

Clements
Barry Sims


What is with the DC of the Ravens? No matter who they plug-in there, the defense is still tops.

Marvin Lewis, Nolan, Romeo Crennel and Rex Ryan all got HC positions from being the Ravens DC.

Why Sims?

i thought sims was pretty formidable when staley went down
Originally posted by Ohio49er:
It's usually the stiffs in the secondary because you can watch them get burnt like toast. Guys like Nate Clements, Rod Woodson, Antonio Langham and Tim McKyer.

But I wish Deion Sanders had never been a 49er. Never liked the guy. Once a punk, always a punk.

We won a superbowl with his help.
- I was excited for Nolan cause we has just gotten rid of D erickson and anything would have been better.

-Marvel smith sticks out because we had just dropped the holding master kwame harris (oakland took him.....) and he was dominant in pittsburg, but he never panned out due to the knee I believe
Originally posted by bigginz54:
- I was excited for Nolan cause we has just gotten rid of D erickson and anything would have been better.

-Marvel smith sticks out because we had just dropped the holding master kwame harris (oakland took him.....) and he was dominant in pittsburg, but he never panned out due to the knee I believe

wasn't it his back?
oj simpson
JJ Stokes. I was so f'ing stoked when the Niners snatched him up. Never even came close to what I thought he was going to be.
GABE WILKINS.....He had a couple good years at Green Bay so I was excited that we took someone from the team that always dominated us......He SUCKED, I think he had 1 sack and was out of the league a year later.

Wilkins may be our worst FA signing ever. I think peole forget about him (which is easy to do)
Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by English:

Nuts? What, you dont believe my story or you dont believe people change?

And where does Ricky Watters fit into your theory?

Ah nuts, I'm sorry about the confusion regarding my use of the term "nuts."

I certainly did not mean to imply that you were nuts, nor did I mean to doubt the veracity of your anecdote.

Your anecdote jived with newspaper reports that described Owens as a very decent kid. That's why I said "nuts." As I mentioned in my second post, it would be so much easier to toss TO in the dumpster, along with Haley, if he didn't start out as such a good kid. You described the Terrell Owens that I found so promising, not the TO that I was happy to see leave the team.

As for Waters, I never had a use for the man and you're right to bring him up as another crack in the wall. But I'm willing to give him his bona fides: he was outstanding in the flat, very difficult to tackle, and the poor SOB had to run sweep left a lot more than was good for him.

Beyond that, though, I don't have much use for Ricky Waters.


Huh? Have you ever actually watched any of these players, or is this just a case of revisionist history?

First off, the title of the thread is about players you wish never were a 49er. You seriously wish Terell Owens was never a 49er because he ran his mouth later in his career? So just throw away the Catch II and breaking the single game receiving record, because he says what's on his mind? Toss him in the dumpster...along with Charles Haley? Who was never really a 49er and quickly left? You mean the same Charles Haley the 49ers drafted? The one that was here for 6 seasons (quickly left?) and was an all-pro in Bill Walsh's defense? The one that had double digit sacks several times for us...and can you remember the last time a 49er had double digit sacks, let alone SIXTEEN in a season? So Haly is trash because he didn't get along with George Siefert? Well Steve Young tried to get into a fist fight with Siefert once, so should he be thrown into the trash too?

And wow, Ricky Watters...the kid who was so unselfish he actually later thanked Lou Holtz for playing him at WR so much (a move some thought cost Watters a shot at the Heisman) because it made him a much better player. The kid who thanked Lou Holtz for having him return kicks/punts, because it made him a more valuable team player in the NFL? A kid that in preaseason got tackled, flipped back onto his feet, and did a spin move going back to the huddle - because he was having fun and happy to be on the field? So you had no use for a 1,000 yard runner that could catch better than any WR on our team right now, someone who scored 3 TD's in the Super Bowl...because he developed a poor attitude AFTER he left the 49ers? Do you even realize why he got that attitude? Becasue his steller play and work ethic got him a contract offer from the 49ers that was WAY BELOW market value! Blame the 49ers for the "For what, for who" line because that was who it was directed at. Oh, and do you remember how long it took the 49ers to find another running back as good as Watters? Oh yeah, they still haven't!

Yeah you're right, wish NONE of those guys had ever been 49ers.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
singeltary
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by English:

Nuts? What, you dont believe my story or you dont believe people change?

And where does Ricky Watters fit into your theory?

Ah nuts, I'm sorry about the confusion regarding my use of the term "nuts."

I certainly did not mean to imply that you were nuts, nor did I mean to doubt the veracity of your anecdote.

Your anecdote jived with newspaper reports that described Owens as a very decent kid. That's why I said "nuts." As I mentioned in my second post, it would be so much easier to toss TO in the dumpster, along with Haley, if he didn't start out as such a good kid. You described the Terrell Owens that I found so promising, not the TO that I was happy to see leave the team.

As for Waters, I never had a use for the man and you're right to bring him up as another crack in the wall. But I'm willing to give him his bona fides: he was outstanding in the flat, very difficult to tackle, and the poor SOB had to run sweep left a lot more than was good for him.

Beyond that, though, I don't have much use for Ricky Waters.


Huh? Have you ever actually watched any of these players, or is this just a case of revisionist history?

First off, the title of the thread is about players you wish never were a 49er. You seriously wish Terell Owens was never a 49er because he ran his mouth later in his career? So just throw away the Catch II and breaking the single game receiving record, because he says what's on his mind? Toss him in the dumpster...along with Charles Haley? Who was never really a 49er and quickly left? You mean the same Charles Haley the 49ers drafted? The one that was here for 6 seasons (quickly left?) and was an all-pro in Bill Walsh's defense? The one that had double digit sacks several times for us...and can you remember the last time a 49er had double digit sacks, let alone SIXTEEN in a season? So Haly is trash because he didn't get along with George Siefert? Well Steve Young tried to get into a fist fight with Siefert once, so should he be thrown into the trash too?

And wow, Ricky Watters...the kid who was so unselfish he actually later thanked Lou Holtz for playing him at WR so much (a move some thought cost Watters a shot at the Heisman) because it made him a much better player. The kid who thanked Lou Holtz for having him return kicks/punts, because it made him a more valuable team player in the NFL? A kid that in preaseason got tackled, flipped back onto his feet, and did a spin move going back to the huddle - because he was having fun and happy to be on the field? So you had no use for a 1,000 yard runner that could catch better than any WR on our team right now, someone who scored 3 TD's in the Super Bowl...because he developed a poor attitude AFTER he left the 49ers? Do you even realize why he got that attitude? Becasue his steller play and work ethic got him a contract offer from the 49ers that was WAY BELOW market value! Blame the 49ers for the "For what, for who" line because that was who it was directed at. Oh, and do you remember how long it took the 49ers to find another running back as good as Watters? Oh yeah, they still haven't!

Yeah you're right, wish NONE of those guys had ever been 49ers.

Garrison Hearst?