did jb really want andy dalton?

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

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NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

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But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

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49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

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More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

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They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick

Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.

LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.

He is reporting what he hears from his sources. No different than what Adam Schefter or Mort tweet.

So the pick that turned into Cris Culliver stopped us from getting the Great Andy Dalton, and everything La Confora reports is true. Has Haynesworth been traded yet. La Confora said that was supposed to happen months ago too

Oh my bad, sorry. Luckily Mort and Schefter are never wrong

Not everything he reports is true, but a good portion of it is. From his accounts on this it appears Dalton was in play and it's entirely possible we had him rated above Kaep. It appears we wanted to get ahead of Cincy and even Buffalo originally.

Maybe we didn't want to surrender our 3rd rounder this year or maybe the teams we talked too wanted more than that and we didn't want to overpay. Nobody knows the specifics.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

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49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick

Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.

LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.

He is reporting what he hears from his sources. No different than what Adam Schefter or Mort tweet.

So the pick that turned into Cris Culliver stopped us from getting the Great Andy Dalton, and everything La Confora reports is true. Has Haynesworth been traded yet. La Confora said that was supposed to happen months ago too

Apparently Harbaugh is coaching the Dolphins, LaCanfora said that as well, and Josh McDaniels is apparently the 49ers head coach as well, FML.

Yeah OK I conceed, from everything we know and have heard Kaep was def. the 49ers guy they wanted all along, I mean look at all the factual evidence....oh wait there isn't any.

It's easy to say if we wanted Dalton we would have jumped Cincy but trading is a two way street, you can want to move up but you have to find a partner and agree to compensation and sometimes teams are trying to get you to give up more than you are willing.

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Yeah OK I conceed, from everything we know and have heard Kaep was def. the 49ers guy they wanted all along, I mean look at all the factual evidence....oh wait there isn't any.

It's easy to say if we wanted Dalton we would have jumped Cincy but trading is a two way street, you can want to move up but you have to find a partner and agree to compensation and sometimes teams are trying to get you to give up more than you are willing.

So the reason the 49ers war room burst out in cheers when the Bengals selected Dalton is because Baalke and Harbaugh are secretly masochists? I like this theory of yours.





[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Apr 30, 2011 at 10:15:00 ]

who is jb?

I don't think so. I'd been hearing before day 1 of the draft that Kap was the guy that Harbaugh was in love with all along.

Didn't people read the reports saying that the Niners wanted to trade into the back of the 1st round to take Kap? Or will they just assume that was to get ahead of Cincy to take Dalton. I truly believe that Kap was the guy he wanted all along. It had been noted by more than a couple reporters or whatever that Kap was the guy all along. Either way, great pick.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

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NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick

Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.

If they really wanted Andy Dalton, the price wouldn't have been too much. I knew Dalton was going to Cincinnati, which means everyone else involved with the draft had to know as well. If he was Harbaugh's guy, then they would have pulled the trigger on the trade with New England with the first pick in round 2 - the price is never too high for your future franchise QB. Dalton wasn't the guy.

Collen Dominguez of espn also reported niners were trying to trade up with pats or bills for pick to take dalton

I think we preferred Kaep. More upside.

The only question I have is if Cincy took Kaep would we make the same move up for Dalton?

From how Harbaugh acted at work-outs & the combine, I believe Kaep was ALWAYS plan A, and Dalton was plan B (we were probably gonna jump on Kaep earlier if we had traded our 7th back).

-Raiders were trying to make a deal with the Pats @ #33 (but NE probably asked for another future 1st rounder) to move ahead of Zona, Wash, and SF (in which Oakland conceded), so the 49ers were looking to deal with BUFF to move ahead of Cincy in fear of them taking Kaep; Buff wanted TOO MUCH (and by that time we backed out; with all the Dalton rumors).

After Cincy nabbed Dalton, Harbaugh & Baalke jumped on Denver (who was happy to trade out at a good price) so we could lock down Kaep ahead of Zona.

Moral of the Story: We were not going to let Zona f**k us over again.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
From how Harbaugh acted at work-outs & the combine, I believe Kaep was ALWAYS plan A, and Dalton was plan B (we were probably gonna jump on Kaep earlier if we had traded our 7th back).

-Raiders were trying to make a deal with the Pats @ #33 (but NE probably asked for another future 1st rounder) to move ahead of Zona, Wash, and SF (in which Oakland conceded), so the 49ers were looking to deal with BUFF to move ahead of Cincy in fear of them taking Kaep; Buff wanted TOO MUCH (and by that time we backed out; with all the Dalton rumors).

After Cincy nabbed Dalton, Harbaugh & Baalke jumped on Denver (who was happy to trade out at a good price) so we could lock down Kaep ahead of Zona.

Moral of the Story: We were not going to let Zona f**k us over again.

Not sure if Zona wanted Kaep. It seems like their intentions was to bring in a vet. We all know Arz asked Fitz who he wanted and his answer was Kolb.

I think we made the trade up knowing that Oakland was also actively trying to trade up to get him.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick

Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.

LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.

He is reporting what he hears from his sources. No different than what Adam Schefter or Mort tweet.

So the pick that turned into Cris Culliver stopped us from getting the Great Andy Dalton, and everything La Confora reports is true. Has Haynesworth been traded yet. La Confora said that was supposed to happen months ago too

Oh my bad, sorry. Luckily Mort and Schefter are never wrong

Not everything he reports is true, but a good portion of it is. From his accounts on this it appears Dalton was in play and it's entirely possible we had him rated above Kaep. It appears we wanted to get ahead of Cincy and even Buffalo originally.

Maybe we didn't want to surrender our 3rd rounder this year or maybe the teams we talked too wanted more than that and we didn't want to overpay. Nobody knows the specifics.

I don't have any respect for the information that La Canfora gets. Every journalist/reporter gets used by teams with "fake information" in exchange for real information every now and again. I just think La Canfora gets a lot more crap than gold.

reading more and more on the situation.

I really believe Kaep is who Harbaugh wanted this whole time...and our front office was just waiting for Dalton to get selected first before making a move.

I'm guessing the general consensus was that teams thought more highly of Dalton than of Kaep....so our front office was just waiting for Dalton to get selected, and was ready to give up anything to get that next spot for Kaep....

the longer it took for Dalton to get selected, the less we would have to give up for Jim to get his guy.

I really don't like the rest of our picks....but I like this one...and that kind of calms me for now regarding this draft. If we were not set on most positions on our team, I would have been pissed with some of the other selections.

[ Edited by Afrikan on Apr 30, 2011 at 14:52:36 ]

Originally posted by niner4life21:
I don't think so. I'd been hearing before day 1 of the draft that Kap was the guy that Harbaugh was in love with all along.

Didn't people read the reports saying that the Niners wanted to trade into the back of the 1st round to take Kap? Or will they just assume that was to get ahead of Cincy to take Dalton. I truly believe that Kap was the guy he wanted all along. It had been noted by more than a couple reporters or whatever that Kap was the guy all along. Either way, great pick.

Kaep just seems like the guy Harbaugh's been describing since day one with the three sport athlete comments

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick

Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.

LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.

He is reporting what he hears from his sources. No different than what Adam Schefter or Mort tweet.

So the pick that turned into Cris Culliver stopped us from getting the Great Andy Dalton, and everything La Confora reports is true. Has Haynesworth been traded yet. La Confora said that was supposed to happen months ago too

Oh my bad, sorry. Luckily Mort and Schefter are never wrong

Not everything he reports is true, but a good portion of it is. From his accounts on this it appears Dalton was in play and it's entirely possible we had him rated above Kaep. It appears we wanted to get ahead of Cincy and even Buffalo originally.

Maybe we didn't want to surrender our 3rd rounder this year or maybe the teams we talked too wanted more than that and we didn't want to overpay. Nobody knows the specifics.

I don't have any respect for the information that La Canfora gets. Every journalist/reporter gets used by teams with "fake information" in exchange for real information every now and again. I just think La Canfora gets a lot more crap than gold.

How would that even work anyway, "Hey Belichik, its Jim. We want to give you these picks for pick 33 and were going to take Dalton. No, ok well please dont tell anyone we called you especially La Canfora."

Or more likely La Canfora new a conversation took place and is speculating