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did jb really want andy dalton?

did jim harbaugh really want andy dalton and miss with cincys pick? just something that i have been wondering, did they expect cincy to take andy and once they did, is that why they traded up in the draft order and picked CK as a second choice?
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I thought for sure Cincy would take Colin with that weather in Cincy, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Apr 30, 2011 at 20:41:03 ]
they had to suspect cincy to take a qb, but im wondering if they had any indication on which qb they were going to choose, that being not trading in the late 1st round or even earlier before cincy in the 2nd.
From what I heard buffalo wanted a ridiculous amount in return for that pick
Originally posted by braap49er:
they had to suspect cincy to take a qb, but im wondering if they had any indication on which qb they were going to choose, that being not trading in the late 1st round or even earlier before cincy in the 2nd.

It's been talked about pretty heavily how Dalton would be a good fit for Jay Gruden's offense. There is no reason for the Niners not to have an indication of who the Bengals were going to take. I expected a few teams wanting a QB to be contacting the pats all night trying to trade for the 1st pick in Round 2. I think this is an example of us just making a move too late - again.
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I don't think so. This wasn't a move out of desperation, it was a move to secure the guy they wanted all along. If they weren't high on Kaep, they wouldn't have traded up to grab him. He's the guy with arguably the highest ceiling this year and the Niners have showed already they are drafting high-potential prospects for their coaching staff to mold.
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NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted
I read somewhere too that the 49er draft room was happy when Dalton's name got called.
There was discussion between Mallet and Dalton in Cincy. The owner preferring Mallet and the coaches/scouts preferring Dalton. Believe it was Mort who reported that, and if he knew, likely the Niners did as well.

I think Niners would have moved in front of Cincy if they had wanted Dalton.
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

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49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick


Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke
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Originally posted by LeadFarmer:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick


Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by LeadFarmer:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick


Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.



LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by LeadFarmer:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick


Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.



LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.

He is reporting what he hears from his sources. No different than what Adam Schefter or Mort tweet.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by LeadFarmer:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Quote:
NEW YORK — Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is headed to San Francisco. Explaining how it happened shows the wheelin’-and-dealin’ side of the NFL draft.

League sources told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that the 49ers were “persistent” in trying to land Kaepernick, exploring trade options at the end of the first round before initiating talks with the Patriots and Bills at the top of the second. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reported that the Raiders (with picks 48 and 81) also were in talks with the Patriots, setting up a Bay Area battle for the QB.

Presumably, the Patriots’ price for the No. 33 pick was too high. But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton — pulled the trigger by dealing pick Nos. 45, 108 and 141 to the Broncos for the 36th selection, which San Francisco used on Kaepernick.

As the teams who started the day needing QB help positioned themselves, the options became even more slim once the Bengals selected Dalton with the third pick (35th overall) of the second round. NFL.com analyst Pat Kirwan believes many teams eliminated Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett from their draft boards altogether, setting the stakes for Kaepernick.

“It’s clear from yesterday and today that teams are way over the value charts on trades,” Kirwan said. “That doesn’t make them wrong, but they’re ignoring it to get what they want. If they have a guy in mind who they believe can start for their team, they’re throwing caution to the wind to get him. Time will tell, but I can’t fault the 49ers.”

– Frank Tadych

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/29/niners-beat-raiders-in-kaepernick-chase/?module=HP_headlines

Sounds like Kaep was the guy Harbaulke wanted

Quote:
But the 49ers — who, according to LaCanfora, believed they had to leapfrog the QB-needy Redskins at No. 41 after missing out on TCU’s Andy Dalton

That doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like Kaep was option #2.

Frm JLC

Quote:
49ers were verry active on Kaepernick. Explored options in late 1st round, and also spoke to NE and BUF today. They got their man at pick 36

and

Quote:
More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN...

and

Quote:
They felt like they needed to jump WSH to be sure they got a QB they coveted and got one in Kaepernick by moving to DEN pick


Everyone new Cincy was going to take Dalton. If the 49ers wanted dalton they would have made it happen. La Confora's a joke

Maybe you missed the where it says they tried to get into the end of the 1st and ahead of Cincy but couldn't. Obviously the price wasn't one they wanted to pay.



LaCanfora's an idiot. The 49ers explored trading into the late 1st to draft Kaepernick. Notice how most of what LaCanfora writes is basically assumption, just to make it sound like he knows what he is talking about.



"More on the 49ers - hearing if they had reached 1st rd in trade Dalton very well could have been the pick. Unable to get ahead of CIN.."



Not Dalton WOULD have been the pick, he very well COULD have been the pick. That's the samething as saying that Jay the Madison Square Garden janitor COULD have been the pick.



Its these pseudo-journalists stretching the english to make themselves sound informed. By all accounts, Kaepernick was the guy that the 49ers wanted all the way, he's got the tangibles that Harbaugh covets ALONG with the arm strength he likes.

He is reporting what he hears from his sources. No different than what Adam Schefter or Mort tweet.

So the pick that turned into Cris Culliver stopped us from getting the Great Andy Dalton, and everything La Confora reports is true. Has Haynesworth been traded yet. La Confora said that was supposed to happen months ago too
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