Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by Sims84:Originally posted by excelsior:
During the last two years, I haven't been so concerned about QB coaching as I have about playcalling and scheme. Our scheme always seemed so simple and unimaginative. Our playcalling was always so predicatble - frequently the first two downs being runs up the middle with no gains, followed by 3rd and long - historically a low % passing scenario.
The Alex critics often say that the great QBs can make things happen when things break down. True to an extent. But Rodgers and Brady did not perform so well during their last playoff games this year. I can also recall Montana in '85, '86 and '87, three consecutive years in which Joe played horribly in those playoff games. Go look up the stats and you will see what I mean.
In each of these situations, the defenses were making things break down, and the performance of great QBs like them suffered dramatically. So I think the Alex critics have created this false reality in their mind. And they hold Alex to an unattainable standard.
I agree EX, but those QB's have also beat some good defensive schemes too. They have put their teams on their back and found ways to exploit some great defenses. Alex never has
Hey Sims man, I actually agree with most of what you and Ex say, but at the same time, can u honestly say that when Alex has put the team on his back that the team has responded. If anything the NO game was a game that spoke volumes. Turnovers or not, it was Alex that put the team on his shoulders and not only got us the TD, but the 2 pt conversion. Just to have the other side of the ball, the defense to let Brees go down the field, and score.
So my thing is even when Alex with just ok play has done just enough to keep us in the game, that the team hasnt consistenly responded. I mean i cant give you any two weeks, back to back where the O-line, Wr's, Dbacks, or Special Teams played consistently. It was like great one week, then look like a pee-wee team the next.
Take the game well once again, Alex did just enough to get us the W, then Clements makes the INT, just to give the ball right back. It's mostly about the QB dont get me wrong, but when the Qb play isnt all that great, then the team should be able to pull out the win. I mean losing about 4 to 5 games this year by 3pts or less says that we are right there, just have to stop making key mistakes as a team. Know what i mean.
Yeah I know what you mean but Alex has never put his team on the back to get us a win or bring us out of a hole that he hasn't helped put us in. Yeah at the end of that game, he made some great plays to tie that ball game but he also had two INT's inside the Saints 30 yard line which took potential points off the board, especially since we were driving in both instances and both INT's were on 1st down.
The ATL game he did good on that 1st drive and then had two INT's inside ATL territory. One of them was right before the half in which we could have put on at least a FG but instead, they end up getting a FG off our Turnover so yeah it does seem as if he is giving us a chance at the end of the game but it is AFTER he helps put us in a hole to begin with.
We had 5 turnovers vs the Saints and lost by 3 so yeah the defense gave up that drive but they also kept that game from getting out of hand with all those turnovers.
The game vs ATL, we lead in that game all the way until the 59:55 mark with our offense only generating 1 TD and having 2 turnovers so our defense kept us in that game.
Look at the PHI game. Offense had 5 turnovers but the defense stepped up at the end (although Mccoy was stupid for going down short of the line) and gave our offense a chance to tie or win it and we couldn't do it.
Our defense hasn't been the best but our offense certainly hasn't helped them. It goes hand in hand, don't get me wrong but the defense has made more stops than they get credit for because everyone looks at the final score, but they don't see the defense withstanding all of the offenses misfortunes and having to battle and hold on more often than not
[ Edited by Sims84 on Feb 2, 2011 at 11:35:35 ]
to Harbaugh getting the most out of our team for years to come
