Official Alex Smith Thread

Why God? Why??

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Question for you guys with the "I heart Alex" t-shirt.

Since one of your arguments is that Alex's hasn't played that well because every year is a new offense, how do you expect him to play this year with a new offense? Since we know that Alex can only function at a mediocare level in the first year, why not get someone else as a stop gap? Just saying...

He already played in the WCO as a rookie with way less talent. Most of the language/plays are the same, he wouldn't have such a hard time adapting to Harbaugh's system. Plus he is a smart guy who works hard.

Go ahead and bring in other guys though, I dont really care either way. I'm just saying...

exactly! Alex has already had to learn 5 different offenses. I'm pretty sure he can find some similarities. Also when Alex Smith has a competent OC his performance improves when compared to say having an OC like Hostler or Jimmy Raye. It tends to help to have a HC that knows how to develop a QB as well, something that Nolan nor Singletary knew anything about.

You know I'm just giving you guys a hard time. But based on his track record with new offenses (even if there are similarities - like there was in the digit system) I wouldn't expect him to blow the doors off. Are you guys really arguing to keep a QB that is only as good as the talent around him? That is almost the definitiion of average...

I dont understand why people are calling for Alex threads to be locked. We are having fun and enjoying our debates. If you dont want to participate, how about staying out instead of b***hing or calling for locks.

I dont understand why MODS keep locking the Alex threads. If a certain poster is getting out of hand, delete the post and suspend the poster. Stop locking the threads. They will keep popping up over again anyways.

My 2 cents...

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

Finally someone who saw the same thing I did in 2006. Alex looked his best that season in the first quarter of that year...then he lost all confidence (Chicago, KC games) and was reeled in hugely by Norv Turner.

When 06 started, Alex was looking like a legit future NFL QB...he was stepping up in the pocket and throwing the ball down the field to Bryant and our other WRs. Once he lost confidence and we switched to a power running game (Gore's beast season) Smith never recovered.

All it takes is for someone to look at the stats on that year...he was HORRIBLE save the first quarter of that year. We were the best team in that division that year...we should have made the playoffs. But because we had ZERO passing game come midseason, we lost games we should have won (I also will never forget that loss @ STL when it was 4th and 1 cm and Nolan decided to kick the FG).

Anyway, I don't think Smith has been the same since then.

I was more than willing to give the guy a clean slate heading into this season...but the guy proved once again that he's not a consistently average NFL QB.

Shhhhh you have to quiet down that non-sense you speak. Remember, Alex had no talent around him and a sh**tty O-line even though 5 of 6 starters were actually very effective (Jonas Jennings when healthy and he was that year, Larry Allen had a solid year, Eric Heitmann, Justin Smiley-shouldn't have let him go and then our weak link in the passing game, Kwame Harris).

Then you have to remember, Anotnio Bryant is not a real threat even though he just came off a 1,000 yard season with the Browns and Trent Dilfer as his QB and them we let him go, he is out of football for a whole year and comes back and goes to to the Pro Bowl with the Bucs. Yeah, that guy has no talent

Then I'm sure it didn't help to have a 2,000 yards from scrimmage running back in your back field There is no way that can make your job easier. Then you have an OC like Norv Turner to go along with all of that but you can't make any sense here, that will take away from all of the excuses that Alex is allowed

Yeah right, we were loaded with talent that year. I was really suprised that we didn't make a playoff run? We were able to draft Alex number 1 overall for a reason people - we were a s**t team back then and are just now coming out of that mess.

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

So what's your expectation for his second year trying to learn to play qb in the NFL.

What were Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's expectations for their 2nd seasons?

'No excuses, just results'

Ryan missed the playoffs with a loaded team and completed the same % of passes in his 2nd year that Alex did

Josh Freeman, Big Ben and Jay Cutler all looked pretty damn good their 2nd year and Freeman was VERY RAW coming out of college.

Add in Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning (since some of yall want to compare Alex to Peyton for some reason ) and Donovan Mcnabb. THEY all had "good" years in their 2nd year in the league. Alex had an AVERAGE season. Nothing more, nothing less

Alex Smith was too. Some people forget that coming out of college he was a project.

This is easy. Joe Montana and Steve Young wouldn't have been successful without Bill Walsh. End Thread!

Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers have been successful with McCarthy and Norv Turner. Why couldn't Alex?

1 year with each vs multiple years with each.

Rivers 1st year with Norv Turner in 2007: 3,100 yards 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.1 QB Rating. How come it didn't take him multiple years to become good in a new system?

Cause he had probowl players all over his roster and his team was widely regarded as being the most talent rich in the entire NFL. But maybe that means nothing?

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

So what's your expectation for his second year trying to learn to play qb in the NFL.

What were Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's expectations for their 2nd seasons?

'No excuses, just results'

Ryan missed the playoffs with a loaded team and completed the same % of passes in his 2nd year that Alex did

Josh Freeman, Big Ben and Jay Cutler all looked pretty damn good their 2nd year and Freeman was VERY RAW coming out of college.

Add in Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning (since some of yall want to compare Alex to Peyton for some reason ) and Donovan Mcnabb. THEY all had "good" years in their 2nd year in the league. Alex had an AVERAGE season. Nothing more, nothing less

Alex Smith was too. Some people forget that coming out of college he was a project.

This is easy. Joe Montana and Steve Young wouldn't have been successful without Bill Walsh. End Thread!

Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers have been successful with McCarthy and Norv Turner. Why couldn't Alex?

1 year with each vs multiple years with each.

Rivers 1st year with Norv Turner in 2007: 3,100 yards 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.1 QB Rating. How come it didn't take him multiple years to become good in a new system?

Cause he had probowl players all over his roster and his team was widely regarded as being the most talent rich in the entire NFL. But maybe that means nothing?

What pro bowlers? LT and Gates? That was it. Jackson didnt break out yet, Floyd was practically unheard of. They had LT and Gates and Gore had more yards than LT under Turner

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

So what's your expectation for his second year trying to learn to play qb in the NFL.

What were Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's expectations for their 2nd seasons?

'No excuses, just results'

Ryan missed the playoffs with a loaded team and completed the same % of passes in his 2nd year that Alex did

Josh Freeman, Big Ben and Jay Cutler all looked pretty damn good their 2nd year and Freeman was VERY RAW coming out of college.

Add in Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning (since some of yall want to compare Alex to Peyton for some reason ) and Donovan Mcnabb. THEY all had "good" years in their 2nd year in the league. Alex had an AVERAGE season. Nothing more, nothing less

Alex Smith was too. Some people forget that coming out of college he was a project.

This is easy. Joe Montana and Steve Young wouldn't have been successful without Bill Walsh. End Thread!

Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers have been successful with McCarthy and Norv Turner. Why couldn't Alex?

1 year with each vs multiple years with each.

Rivers 1st year with Norv Turner in 2007: 3,100 yards 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.1 QB Rating. How come it didn't take him multiple years to become good in a new system?

Cause he had probowl players all over his roster and his team was widely regarded as being the most talent rich in the entire NFL. But maybe that means nothing?

What pro bowlers? LT and Gates? That was it. Jackson didnt break out yet, Floyd was practically unheard of. They had LT and Gates and Gore had more yards than LT under Turner

So you would have taken our roster of SD? Please, every GM in the NFL would have taken SD's players over ours no question about it.

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

Finally someone who saw the same thing I did in 2006. Alex looked his best that season in the first quarter of that year...then he lost all confidence (Chicago, KC games) and was reeled in hugely by Norv Turner.

When 06 started, Alex was looking like a legit future NFL QB...he was stepping up in the pocket and throwing the ball down the field to Bryant and our other WRs. Once he lost confidence and we switched to a power running game (Gore's beast season) Smith never recovered.

All it takes is for someone to look at the stats on that year...he was HORRIBLE save the first quarter of that year. We were the best team in that division that year...we should have made the playoffs. But because we had ZERO passing game come midseason, we lost games we should have won (I also will never forget that loss @ STL when it was 4th and 1 cm and Nolan decided to kick the FG).

Anyway, I don't think Smith has been the same since then.

I was more than willing to give the guy a clean slate heading into this season...but the guy proved once again that he's not a consistently average NFL QB.

Shhhhh you have to quiet down that non-sense you speak. Remember, Alex had no talent around him and a sh**tty O-line even though 5 of 6 starters were actually very effective (Jonas Jennings when healthy and he was that year, Larry Allen had a solid year, Eric Heitmann, Justin Smiley-shouldn't have let him go and then our weak link in the passing game, Kwame Harris).

Then you have to remember, Anotnio Bryant is not a real threat even though he just came off a 1,000 yard season with the Browns and Trent Dilfer as his QB and them we let him go, he is out of football for a whole year and comes back and goes to to the Pro Bowl with the Bucs. Yeah, that guy has no talent

Then I'm sure it didn't help to have a 2,000 yards from scrimmage running back in your back field There is no way that can make your job easier. Then you have an OC like Norv Turner to go along with all of that but you can't make any sense here, that will take away from all of the excuses that Alex is allowed

Yeah right, we were loaded with talent that year. I was really suprised that we didn't make a playoff run? We were able to draft Alex number 1 overall for a reason people - we were a s**t team back then and are just now coming out of that mess.

Just now coming out of that mess? We won more games in 06 then we did this year.

Care to elaborate on the sarcasm about our roster on Offense? Like I pointed out, the O-line was pretty good except for Kwame Harris, we had a Pro Bowl runningback that had 2,000 yards from scrimmage that season, we had Antonio Bryant who performed well on every team he played on when he WASN'T having off the field issues. Eric Johnson AND Vernon Davis was not a bad TE combo with Vernon being the 2nd TE option so although he wasn't nearly as good as he is now, that is a HELLUVA mismatch to have in a two TE set and we had Norv Turner who is very good at calling plays.

What we lacked on offense that year as we have for a while, was GOOD QB play. We had a weapon at RB, a weapon at WR and a weapon at TE. The team was not the best by any means but we should have finished 9-7 that season but that 2nd half of the season, Alex looked like sh*t to include the 2nd game vs the Rams which we lost by 3 and should have won and the 2nd game vs the Cardinals which I believe we should have won but we lost by 6.

Alex has had some rough times but he has also had some opportunities that could have changed the way people view him but AS USUAL, he always comes up short in big time situations. He has never been able to push his team over that hump when the expectations of a #1 overall QB are high....NEVER

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

So what's your expectation for his second year trying to learn to play qb in the NFL.

What were Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's expectations for their 2nd seasons?

'No excuses, just results'

Ryan missed the playoffs with a loaded team and completed the same % of passes in his 2nd year that Alex did

Josh Freeman, Big Ben and Jay Cutler all looked pretty damn good their 2nd year and Freeman was VERY RAW coming out of college.

Add in Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning (since some of yall want to compare Alex to Peyton for some reason ) and Donovan Mcnabb. THEY all had "good" years in their 2nd year in the league. Alex had an AVERAGE season. Nothing more, nothing less

Alex Smith was too. Some people forget that coming out of college he was a project.

This is easy. Joe Montana and Steve Young wouldn't have been successful without Bill Walsh. End Thread!

Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers have been successful with McCarthy and Norv Turner. Why couldn't Alex?

1 year with each vs multiple years with each.

Rivers 1st year with Norv Turner in 2007: 3,100 yards 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.1 QB Rating. How come it didn't take him multiple years to become good in a new system?

Cause he had probowl players all over his roster and his team was widely regarded as being the most talent rich in the entire NFL. But maybe that means nothing?

What pro bowlers? LT and Gates? That was it. Jackson didnt break out yet, Floyd was practically unheard of. They had LT and Gates and Gore had more yards than LT under Turner

So you would have taken our roster of SD? Please, every GM in the NFL would have taken SD's players over ours no question about it.

Of course I would have taken their roster but that doesn't mean anything. If I was a fan of the Bucs, I would take the Saints roster because they have more talent, but that doesn't mean we can't do enough with our OWN team

Originally posted by rk1642:
So you would have taken our roster of SD? Please, every GM in the NFL would have taken SD's players over ours no question about it.

I would take Rivers and the rest of the 49ers O over Smith and the rest of SD O.

We are now comparing a guy that can't constantly throw a bubble screen to Steve Young? I honestly think most people bringing up Young's tenure in Tampa Bay as an example of what coaching can do to improve a player NEVER watched him and is just looking at stats and reading up on him. I watched him play at BYU, LA Express and Tampa Bay. He had the awesome athletic skills and accuracy we knew when he was with the 49ers, but he made horrible decisions. He threw into double and triple coverages a lot. He also sometimes was so focused down field he would take unexpected hits and fumble. He seemed to have trouble deciding when to check down, when to run, and when to take a sack. He could make all the throws, and was elusive. While none of this translated to big numbers and wins, you could see he had the potential, something Alex has never shown.

Originally posted by pigskin:

Originally posted by rk1642:
So you would have taken our roster of SD? Please, every GM in the NFL would have taken SD's players over ours no question about it.

I would take Rivers and the rest of the 49ers O over Smith and the rest of SD O.

no questions asked

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

Finally someone who saw the same thing I did in 2006. Alex looked his best that season in the first quarter of that year...then he lost all confidence (Chicago, KC games) and was reeled in hugely by Norv Turner.

When 06 started, Alex was looking like a legit future NFL QB...he was stepping up in the pocket and throwing the ball down the field to Bryant and our other WRs. Once he lost confidence and we switched to a power running game (Gore's beast season) Smith never recovered.

All it takes is for someone to look at the stats on that year...he was HORRIBLE save the first quarter of that year. We were the best team in that division that year...we should have made the playoffs. But because we had ZERO passing game come midseason, we lost games we should have won (I also will never forget that loss @ STL when it was 4th and 1 cm and Nolan decided to kick the FG).

Anyway, I don't think Smith has been the same since then.

I was more than willing to give the guy a clean slate heading into this season...but the guy proved once again that he's not a consistently average NFL QB.

Shhhhh you have to quiet down that non-sense you speak. Remember, Alex had no talent around him and a sh**tty O-line even though 5 of 6 starters were actually very effective (Jonas Jennings when healthy and he was that year, Larry Allen had a solid year, Eric Heitmann, Justin Smiley-shouldn't have let him go and then our weak link in the passing game, Kwame Harris).

Then you have to remember, Anotnio Bryant is not a real threat even though he just came off a 1,000 yard season with the Browns and Trent Dilfer as his QB and them we let him go, he is out of football for a whole year and comes back and goes to to the Pro Bowl with the Bucs. Yeah, that guy has no talent

Then I'm sure it didn't help to have a 2,000 yards from scrimmage running back in your back field There is no way that can make your job easier. Then you have an OC like Norv Turner to go along with all of that but you can't make any sense here, that will take away from all of the excuses that Alex is allowed

Yeah right, we were loaded with talent that year. I was really suprised that we didn't make a playoff run? We were able to draft Alex number 1 overall for a reason people - we were a s**t team back then and are just now coming out of that mess.

Just now coming out of that mess? We won more games in 06 then we did this year.

Care to elaborate on the sarcasm about our roster on Offense? Like I pointed out, the O-line was pretty good except for Kwame Harris, we had a Pro Bowl runningback that had 2,000 yards from scrimmage that season, we had Antonio Bryant who performed well on every team he played on when he WASN'T having off the field issues. Eric Johnson AND Vernon Davis was not a bad TE combo with Vernon being the 2nd TE option so although he wasn't nearly as good as he is now, that is a HELLUVA mismatch to have in a two TE set and we had Norv Turner who is very good at calling plays.

What we lacked on offense that year as we have for a while, was GOOD QB play. We had a weapon at RB, a weapon at WR and a weapon at TE. The team was not the best by any means but we should have finished 9-7 that season but that 2nd half of the season, Alex looked like sh*t to include the 2nd game vs the Rams which we lost by 3 and should have won and the 2nd game vs the Cardinals which I believe we should have won but we lost by 6.

Alex has had some rough times but he has also had some opportunities that could have changed the way people view him but AS USUAL, he always comes up short in big time situations. He has never been able to push his team over that hump when the expectations of a #1 overall QB are high....NEVER

Lot of sentences but you never answered my question did you. So you would have taken our O over the Chargers? If so, you'd be the only GM in the NFL who would have made that choice.

You try and compare Alex to Rivers and say they were both coached by Norv and look how much better Rivers progressed over Alex. Well thats fine but I'm saying its a little more complicated than that. Both qb's were at different developement points and both had a different set of players around them. Rivers had more time as a qb at the point were Norv stepped in over Alex. Rivers had a better cast of players surrounding him and that makes a difference.

I can easily say Rivers is the better qb but I don't get why you can't come to grips with the fact that Rivers was already a decent player when Norv got there and that he had the better supporting cast? SD has been a super bowl preseason favorite forever because of the fact that NFL people can see the talent they have. Maybe you have more insight than the talking heads on tv and the gm's around the NFL?

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

So what's your expectation for his second year trying to learn to play qb in the NFL.

What were Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's expectations for their 2nd seasons?

'No excuses, just results'

Ryan missed the playoffs with a loaded team and completed the same % of passes in his 2nd year that Alex did

Josh Freeman, Big Ben and Jay Cutler all looked pretty damn good their 2nd year and Freeman was VERY RAW coming out of college.

Add in Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning (since some of yall want to compare Alex to Peyton for some reason ) and Donovan Mcnabb. THEY all had "good" years in their 2nd year in the league. Alex had an AVERAGE season. Nothing more, nothing less

Alex Smith was too. Some people forget that coming out of college he was a project.

This is easy. Joe Montana and Steve Young wouldn't have been successful without Bill Walsh. End Thread!

Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers have been successful with McCarthy and Norv Turner. Why couldn't Alex?

1 year with each vs multiple years with each.

Rivers 1st year with Norv Turner in 2007: 3,100 yards 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.1 QB Rating. How come it didn't take him multiple years to become good in a new system?

Cause he had probowl players all over his roster and his team was widely regarded as being the most talent rich in the entire NFL. But maybe that means nothing?

What pro bowlers? LT and Gates? That was it. Jackson didnt break out yet, Floyd was practically unheard of. They had LT and Gates and Gore had more yards than LT under Turner

Everyone in the NFL was saying what a great opportunity Turner had to take over a team that was ready for the Super Bowl. It was considered a no brainer. He had already bowed out of the Dallas opportunity.

On a related note; the only reason SD did not do better, or has not done better, is that Norv Turner is a decent, not great coach. The same goes for OC as well.

Turner made his reputation calling plays for the Cowboys of Aikman, Emmitt, Michael Irvin, Willy Harper, Larry Allen, etc. Just about anybody could have had success with that group. They were one of the Top Ten teams of all time. Since he left there, he has done very little.

Just saying...

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
Why do people keep saying that Alex's 2006 season under Norv was a good one? I hear the same bulls**t: 'He was improving.'

Well no s**t. His rookie year, he had 1 TD and 11 INTs. It's not really that hard to improve off of a season like that.

I remember that Alex looked pretty damn good in 2006...only the first 2-3 games. I still remember those games when he would take shots down the field again and again to Antonio Bryant. Then, for some damn reason, he stopped doing that.

The 2006 year was not a good season. It was merely average. Maybe it was 'good' if you go by Alex's s**tty standards, but not in my book.

So what's your expectation for his second year trying to learn to play qb in the NFL.

What were Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's expectations for their 2nd seasons?

'No excuses, just results'

Ryan missed the playoffs with a loaded team and completed the same % of passes in his 2nd year that Alex did

Josh Freeman, Big Ben and Jay Cutler all looked pretty damn good their 2nd year and Freeman was VERY RAW coming out of college.

Add in Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning (since some of yall want to compare Alex to Peyton for some reason ) and Donovan Mcnabb. THEY all had "good" years in their 2nd year in the league. Alex had an AVERAGE season. Nothing more, nothing less

Alex Smith was too. Some people forget that coming out of college he was a project.

This is easy. Joe Montana and Steve Young wouldn't have been successful without Bill Walsh. End Thread!

Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers have been successful with McCarthy and Norv Turner. Why couldn't Alex?

1 year with each vs multiple years with each.

Rivers 1st year with Norv Turner in 2007: 3,100 yards 21 TD's 15 INT's 82.1 QB Rating. How come it didn't take him multiple years to become good in a new system?

Cause he had probowl players all over his roster and his team was widely regarded as being the most talent rich in the entire NFL. But maybe that means nothing?

What pro bowlers? LT and Gates? That was it. Jackson didnt break out yet, Floyd was practically unheard of. They had LT and Gates and Gore had more yards than LT under Turner

So you would have taken our roster of SD? Please, every GM in the NFL would have taken SD's players over ours no question about it.

Of course I would have taken their roster but that doesn't mean anything. If I was a fan of the Bucs, I would take the Saints roster because they have more talent, but that doesn't mean we can't do enough with our OWN team

Exactely, we should be doing more with what we have and that is what I've said all along. It makes a difference who is coaching your team. Our talent, which we have enough of to at least win our weak division, has not improved over the years as they should have because of coaching. Comparing other teams, qb's and coaching is fun but does us no good.