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New Stadium - Where do you prefer?

New Stadium - Where do you prefer?

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Regardless of what we all want, the Yorks have sunk too much money into Santa Clara to consider other options at this point. I see three things that could stop the Santa Clara stadium project:

1. Litigation. I don't think Cedar Fair (the owners of Great America) is a real threat. They're simply doing their due diligence and applying pressure to get a better deal for being inconvenienced. I think a greater concern would be a local community group who might sue to block the project due to environmental or traffic concerns. All they would need is one sympathetic judge to gum up the works.

2. Lack of NFL financing assistance. This project will not work without a new stadium funding pool similar to the one that helped fund the New Meadowlands, Lucas Oil Stadium and Cowboys Stadium. Any new NFL stadium financing will not available until a new CBA is agreed upon. If for whatever reason a stadium financing system isn't part of the new CBA (Goodell says it will be) then that will be a huge problem.

3. The Raiders. This is actually related to #2, but it's been widely reported that Goodell is pushing to put the 49ers and Raiders in same facility like the Giants and Jets. From a common sense perspective constructing two new billion dollar stadiums within a 30 mile radius would be a monumental waste of real estate and/or resources. Emotions aside, this makes sense if the Bay Area wants to keep both teams. I believe NFL funding assistance will eventually become available but it will be conditional upon a shared facility. This could impact the Santa Clara site if the Raiders balk at the site, which could lead to a new stadium being built in Oakland.

The bottom line IMO is that the clock on the Raiders and 49ers playing their games within the city limits of their namesake is winding down regardless of our preferences. Both the Niners and Raiders are regional assets with fans all over the Bay Area and Northern California. I believe in the end both teams will be playing their games in Santa Clara about 35 miles from their namesake cities.

Well, then the Yorks better hope this stadium deal doesn't collapse, because if it does, SF and Oakland will no longer be viable options. Oakland because of Al Davis and the conflicts between the fan bases and SF because they'll have chosen to continue on the HP project without the 49ers.
You want a view, you want less traffic? Then how about Hawaii?

Okay before you guys get all twisted at for saying that, we need to move on get that stadium. There are just too many road blocks at HP that could delay it and as an outsider, you can see the city is trying to get the niners to use Candlestick as long as they can.
Don't the A's play in Oakland Coliseum too? Does that mean we would have a damn infield in the middle of the field again? Shouldn't the be paying for it too? If you have 3 franchises going in together they should be able to pay for it in private funds, or at least a larger portion.

Assuming it would be just a football stadium, is there already a plan in place for the Athletics?
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Regardless of what we all want, the Yorks have sunk too much money into Santa Clara to consider other options at this point. I see three things that could stop the Santa Clara stadium project:

1. Litigation. I don't think Cedar Fair (the owners of Great America) is a real threat. They're simply doing their due diligence and applying pressure to get a better deal for being inconvenienced. I think a greater concern would be a local community group who might sue to block the project due to environmental or traffic concerns. All they would need is one sympathetic judge to gum up the works.

2. Lack of NFL financing assistance. This project will not work without a new stadium funding pool similar to the one that helped fund the New Meadowlands, Lucas Oil Stadium and Cowboys Stadium. Any new NFL stadium financing will not available until a new CBA is agreed upon. If for whatever reason a stadium financing system isn't part of the new CBA (Goodell says it will be) then that will be a huge problem.

3. The Raiders. This is actually related to #2, but it's been widely reported that Goodell is pushing to put the 49ers and Raiders in same facility like the Giants and Jets. From a common sense perspective constructing two new billion dollar stadiums within a 30 mile radius would be a monumental waste of real estate and/or resources. Emotions aside, this makes sense if the Bay Area wants to keep both teams. I believe NFL funding assistance will eventually become available but it will be conditional upon a shared facility. This could impact the Santa Clara site if the Raiders balk at the site, which could lead to a new stadium being built in Oakland.

The bottom line IMO is that the clock on the Raiders and 49ers playing their games within the city limits of their namesake is winding down regardless of our preferences. Both the Niners and Raiders are regional assets with fans all over the Bay Area and Northern California. I believe in the end both teams will be playing their games in Santa Clara about 35 miles from their namesake cities.

Well, then the Yorks better hope this stadium deal doesn't collapse, because if it does, SF and Oakland will no longer be viable options. Oakland because of Al Davis and the conflicts between the fan bases and SF because they'll have chosen to continue on the HP project without the 49ers.

They have a few more years at the Lennar site before they have to chose one way or the other on the stadium. Everything they are doing (infrastructure, etc) from today forward is as if there will likely be a stadium, then, if there isn't, they'll adjust from there.
Originally posted by bigmur49:
Don't the A's play in Oakland Coliseum too? Does that mean we would have a damn infield in the middle of the field again? Shouldn't the be paying for it too? If you have 3 franchises going in together they should be able to pay for it in private funds, or at least a larger portion.

Assuming it would be just a football stadium, is there already a plan in place for the Athletics?

The A's are trying to get a much smaller, baseball-only stadium on the waterfront in Oakland. Unless of course Selig and the owners ever allow them to move into Giants territory in San Jose. If so that one is almost a certainty. But Selig is a douche so he probably wont ever say one way or the other on the issue.
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Regardless of what we all want, the Yorks have sunk too much money into Santa Clara to consider other options at this point. I see three things that could stop the Santa Clara stadium project:

1. Litigation. I don't think Cedar Fair (the owners of Great America) is a real threat. They're simply doing their due diligence and applying pressure to get a better deal for being inconvenienced. I think a greater concern would be a local community group who might sue to block the project due to environmental or traffic concerns. All they would need is one sympathetic judge to gum up the works.

2. Lack of NFL financing assistance. This project will not work without a new stadium funding pool similar to the one that helped fund the New Meadowlands, Lucas Oil Stadium and Cowboys Stadium. Any new NFL stadium financing will not available until a new CBA is agreed upon. If for whatever reason a stadium financing system isn't part of the new CBA (Goodell says it will be) then that will be a huge problem.

3. The Raiders. This is actually related to #2, but it's been widely reported that Goodell is pushing to put the 49ers and Raiders in same facility like the Giants and Jets. From a common sense perspective constructing two new billion dollar stadiums within a 30 mile radius would be a monumental waste of real estate and/or resources. Emotions aside, this makes sense if the Bay Area wants to keep both teams. I believe NFL funding assistance will eventually become available but it will be conditional upon a shared facility. This could impact the Santa Clara site if the Raiders balk at the site, which could lead to a new stadium being built in Oakland.

The bottom line IMO is that the clock on the Raiders and 49ers playing their games within the city limits of their namesake is winding down regardless of our preferences. Both the Niners and Raiders are regional assets with fans all over the Bay Area and Northern California. I believe in the end both teams will be playing their games in Santa Clara about 35 miles from their namesake cities.

Well, then the Yorks better hope this stadium deal doesn't collapse, because if it does, SF and Oakland will no longer be viable options. Oakland because of Al Davis and the conflicts between the fan bases and SF because they'll have chosen to continue on the HP project without the 49ers.

They have a few more years at the Lennar site before they have to chose one way or the other on the stadium. Everything they are doing (infrastructure, etc) from today forward is as if there will likely be a stadium, then, if there isn't, they'll adjust from there.

What? Last I checked, Lennar is giving the 49ers until 2015, or maybe 2017, to decide if they want to build the stadium at HP. If the 49ers never give up on the SC stadium, or if they give up on it too late, then Lennar will move on without them.
HP
Originally posted by Ninersdeep:
HP

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This...Feel It, Touch It, Taste It.
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by Ninersdeep:
HP

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This...Feel It, Touch It, Taste It.
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Regardless of what we all want, the Yorks have sunk too much money into Santa Clara to consider other options at this point. I see three things that could stop the Santa Clara stadium project:

1. Litigation. I don't think Cedar Fair (the owners of Great America) is a real threat. They're simply doing their due diligence and applying pressure to get a better deal for being inconvenienced. I think a greater concern would be a local community group who might sue to block the project due to environmental or traffic concerns. All they would need is one sympathetic judge to gum up the works.

2. Lack of NFL financing assistance. This project will not work without a new stadium funding pool similar to the one that helped fund the New Meadowlands, Lucas Oil Stadium and Cowboys Stadium. Any new NFL stadium financing will not available until a new CBA is agreed upon. If for whatever reason a stadium financing system isn't part of the new CBA (Goodell says it will be) then that will be a huge problem.

3. The Raiders. This is actually related to #2, but it's been widely reported that Goodell is pushing to put the 49ers and Raiders in same facility like the Giants and Jets. From a common sense perspective constructing two new billion dollar stadiums within a 30 mile radius would be a monumental waste of real estate and/or resources. Emotions aside, this makes sense if the Bay Area wants to keep both teams. I believe NFL funding assistance will eventually become available but it will be conditional upon a shared facility. This could impact the Santa Clara site if the Raiders balk at the site, which could lead to a new stadium being built in Oakland.

The bottom line IMO is that the clock on the Raiders and 49ers playing their games within the city limits of their namesake is winding down regardless of our preferences. Both the Niners and Raiders are regional assets with fans all over the Bay Area and Northern California. I believe in the end both teams will be playing their games in Santa Clara about 35 miles from their namesake cities.

Well, then the Yorks better hope this stadium deal doesn't collapse, because if it does, SF and Oakland will no longer be viable options. Oakland because of Al Davis and the conflicts between the fan bases and SF because they'll have chosen to continue on the HP project without the 49ers.

They have a few more years at the Lennar site before they have to chose one way or the other on the stadium. Everything they are doing (infrastructure, etc) from today forward is as if there will likely be a stadium, then, if there isn't, they'll adjust from there.

What? Last I checked, Lennar is giving the 49ers until 2015, or maybe 2017, to decide if they want to build the stadium at HP. If the 49ers never give up on the SC stadium, or if they give up on it too late, then Lennar will move on without them.

Right. You do realize that it's only January 2011, don't you?
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by area49:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Regardless of what we all want, the Yorks have sunk too much money into Santa Clara to consider other options at this point. I see three things that could stop the Santa Clara stadium project:

1. Litigation. I don't think Cedar Fair (the owners of Great America) is a real threat. They're simply doing their due diligence and applying pressure to get a better deal for being inconvenienced. I think a greater concern would be a local community group who might sue to block the project due to environmental or traffic concerns. All they would need is one sympathetic judge to gum up the works.

2. Lack of NFL financing assistance. This project will not work without a new stadium funding pool similar to the one that helped fund the New Meadowlands, Lucas Oil Stadium and Cowboys Stadium. Any new NFL stadium financing will not available until a new CBA is agreed upon. If for whatever reason a stadium financing system isn't part of the new CBA (Goodell says it will be) then that will be a huge problem.

3. The Raiders. This is actually related to #2, but it's been widely reported that Goodell is pushing to put the 49ers and Raiders in same facility like the Giants and Jets. From a common sense perspective constructing two new billion dollar stadiums within a 30 mile radius would be a monumental waste of real estate and/or resources. Emotions aside, this makes sense if the Bay Area wants to keep both teams. I believe NFL funding assistance will eventually become available but it will be conditional upon a shared facility. This could impact the Santa Clara site if the Raiders balk at the site, which could lead to a new stadium being built in Oakland.

The bottom line IMO is that the clock on the Raiders and 49ers playing their games within the city limits of their namesake is winding down regardless of our preferences. Both the Niners and Raiders are regional assets with fans all over the Bay Area and Northern California. I believe in the end both teams will be playing their games in Santa Clara about 35 miles from their namesake cities.

Well, then the Yorks better hope this stadium deal doesn't collapse, because if it does, SF and Oakland will no longer be viable options. Oakland because of Al Davis and the conflicts between the fan bases and SF because they'll have chosen to continue on the HP project without the 49ers.

They have a few more years at the Lennar site before they have to chose one way or the other on the stadium. Everything they are doing (infrastructure, etc) from today forward is as if there will likely be a stadium, then, if there isn't, they'll adjust from there.

What? Last I checked, Lennar is giving the 49ers until 2015, or maybe 2017, to decide if they want to build the stadium at HP. If the 49ers never give up on the SC stadium, or if they give up on it too late, then Lennar will move on without them.

Right. You do realize that it's only January 2011, don't you?

Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by Ninersdeep:
HP

^
This...Feel It, Touch It, Taste It.

HP. Keep them in Frisco. Build the new community/shopping center around the stadium and call it a day. F*** SC.
Honolulu, HI!!!!
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by Ninersdeep:
HP

^
This...Feel It, Touch It, Taste It.
The 49ers will be in Santa Clara and the stadium will be shared with the Raiders--Done Deal!